"No Nazis Denied"

[Eye of Zyclone]

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[bombsaway]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest. I don't think there's a denial from someone like, I was in position to know what was happening/was there, and it didn't happen.

The strongest denials you guys have are from Nazi officials while the government was still in power. Yet to this we can ask the question, 'how common is it for governments to publicly admit responsibility for grave crimes against humanity?'

[Callafangers]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest.

bombsaway, it's very strange for you to claim the exact opposite of what people can see with their own eyes. The evidence above from Eye of Zyclone shows clearly that Kramer was not just "denying knowledge" but, from his position to have necessarily known about 'gassings', denying these things happened at all.

Same with Goebbels, who you also mention: he necessarily would have known, yet he explicitly states otherwise.

You can try to bend the truth but straight-up claiming the opposite of proven facts is going to make you an uphill battle. Good luck.

[bombsaway]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest.

bombsaway, it's very strange for you to claim the exact opposite of what people can see with their own eyes. The evidence above from Eye of Zyclone shows clearly that Kramer was not just "denying knowledge" but, from his position to have necessarily known about 'gassings', denying these things happened at all.

Same with Goebbels, who you also mention: he necessarily would have known, yet he explicitly states otherwise.

You can try to bend the truth but straight-up claiming the opposite of proven facts is going to make you an uphill battle. Good luck.

I completely grant to you that both of them, based on rank and position, would have have known and were lying. Kramer later admitted it fully. They just doesn't get to the point of saying it didn't happen, point blank, a strong denial. What was Goebbel's statement?

[Eye of Zyclone]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge.

Blatant bad faith!!

Saying that it's "completely untrue from beginning to end" = unambiguously denying that it happened.

I don't think there's a denial from someone like, I was in position to know what was happening/was there, and it didn't happen.

Not in position to know?! Did you read Kramer's Wikipedia bio in my previous post???

The strongest denials you guys have are from Nazi officials while the government was still in power. Yet to this we can ask the question, 'how common is it for governments to publicly admit responsibility for grave crimes against humanity?'

The Israeli and American governments do it all the time, but not without also claiming that they had been misinformed by faulty intelligence reports or/and that the other side had deserved it anyway.

And how common is it for the imprisoned soldiers of a defeated country to speak freely (I mean, really freely) at show trials held by victorious powers for only too obvious political purposes? Has it ever happened once?

[Eye of Zyclone]

Kramer later admitted it fully.

By ridiculously claiming that he had finally realized Hitler and Himmler were dead and he was therefore no longer bound by his [alleged] oath of secrecy.

Anyway, not the topic of this thread. The fact remains that Kramer was in a perfect position to know and he unambiguously denied it happened. That's undeniable.

[Hektor]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest. I don't think there's a denial from someone like, I was in position to know what was happening/was there, and it didn't happen.

The strongest denials you guys have are from Nazi officials while the government was still in power. Yet to this we can ask the question, 'how common is it for governments to publicly admit responsibility for grave crimes against humanity?'

Just to be clear. In that case "Holocaust Denier" is also a total misnomer in case that is used for Revisionists..... Simply because all that Holocaust Revisionists say is that there is a lack of evidence for what Exterminationists are claiming. E.g. Homicidal gassings of Jews in Auschwitz. AND that the few witnesses that allege they saw it either mistaken or lying. That this still can be true is a totally different matter. It just doesn't happen to be the best explanation. And there is plenty of evidence that there was a concerted mud campaign against Germany. So that's how you get witnesses that are willing to lie, officers that are willing to forge and tamper with evidence, etc.

Since those 'denying knowledge' were not omniscient and also aware that they weren't all they actually could say would be that they didn't have any knowledge of this. And that actually makes them rather credible in this regard. But since that is the overwhelming answer you'd get from potential witnesses, it's a clear indicator that the accusation simply isn't true, while there were fanatics that of course wanted to make people believe that this is true. And given that people are still attacked for professing disbelieve in the narrative it should that this create a compulsive cult of people that want to force their beliefs on anybody else.

Now how is that for an explanation: How common is it for people that are accused falsely to reject the accusations? I guess that is pretty common, while false confessions are indeed an issue for the legal profession. Policemen I know frequently point to this problem.

Kramer later admitted it fully.

By ridiculously claiming that he had finally realized Hitler and Himmler were dead and he was therefore no longer bound by his [alleged] oath of secrecy.

Anyway, not the topic of this thread. The fact remains that Kramer was in a perfect position to know and he unambiguously denied it happened. That's undeniable.

That's exactly the point. Those that must have known, if it was true, commonly dispute any knowledge. And that regardless that admitting knowledge wouldn't be a problem or would even be an advantage for them. They reject the charge, because it is obviously a false and malicious accusation, plain and simple.

When caught want of physical evidences, Holocaust Believers will turn to 'but the witnesses' somehow believing that all the folks paraded as witnesses are somehow witnesses to an extermination program involving gas chambers. Well, they overwhelmingly are not, but are reflecting some memories from their internment including some rumors. That's then usually that 'they were taken away and then we saw them never again' type of story. That should however be no surprise given the chaotic circumstance afterwards.

[Wahrheitssucher]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest. I don't think there's a denial from someone like, I was in position to know what was happening/was there, and it didn't happen.

The strongest denials you guys have are from Nazi officials while the government was still in power. Yet to this we can ask the question, 'how common is it for governments to publicly admit responsibility for grave crimes against humanity?'

The level of your ignorance of both the facts and of even the official holocaust mythology never fails to amaze.

Yes it is “very simple”: you are wrong. You are ignorant of the undisputed facts.
All the people in “positions to know” denied the mass-gassing claims except the problematic testimony of Höß, Gerstein and a few accused operatives like… actually, no. Why should I correct you. ? Instead I will give you a chance to show how much you actually know.
Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

[Callafangers]

Instead I will give you a chance to show how much you actually know.
Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

bombsaway is about to get his money's worth on his ChatGPT subscription.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Instead I will give you a chance to show how much you actually know.
Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

bombsaway is about to get his money's worth on his ChatGPT subscription.

Yes, probably.

[bombsaway]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest. I don't think there's a denial from someone like, I was in position to know what was happening/was there, and it didn't happen.

The strongest denials you guys have are from Nazi officials while the government was still in power. Yet to this we can ask the question, 'how common is it for governments to publicly admit responsibility for grave crimes against humanity?'

The level of your ignorance of both the facts and of even the official holocaust mythology never fails to amaze.

Yes it is “very simple”: you are wrong. You are ignorant of the undisputed facts.
All the people in “positions to know” denied the mass-gassing claims except the problematic testimony of Höß, Gerstein and a few accused operatives like… actually, no. Why should I correct you. ? Instead I will give you a chance to show how much you actually know.
Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

They issued very weak denials, denying knowledge.

The case of Kramer is less ambiguous, he said:

"I have heard of the allegations of former prisoners in Auschwitz referring to a gas chamber there, the mass executions and whippings, the cruelty of the guards employed, and that all this took place either in my presence or with my knowledge. All I can say to all this is that it is untrue from beginning to end."

So I misread this to mean that he was only denying knowledge. The 'and' in particular means that he was denying all of it, so I concede this point.

What other denials of this sort are there? Goerring and co were just trying to save their asses, and accepted that it had happened once they were shown "evidence". This is the best you have, I find it amusing you think the case is strong here.

It's a lot more than this, "testimony of Höß, Gerstein"

Pohl, Kaltenbrunner for one, highest SS tried. Speer admitted. Among the SS that there were tried there was widespread admission.

[bombsaway]

Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

To better answer your question here, high ranking people in the SS were certainly in position to know.

Better question is, who among this cohort denied it lol

[Wahrheitssucher]

It's very simple, denying knowledge of something =/= denying something. Kramer denied knowledge, like Goebbels, and all the rest. I don't think there's a denial from someone like, I was in position to know what was happening/was there, and it didn't happen.

The strongest denials you guys have are from Nazi officials while the government was still in power. Yet to this we can ask the question, 'how common is it for governments to publicly admit responsibility for grave crimes against humanity?'

The level of your ignorance of both the facts and of even the official holocaust mythology never fails to amaze.

Yes it is “very simple”: you are wrong. You are ignorant of the undisputed facts.
All the people in “positions to know” denied the mass-gassing claims except the problematic testimony of Höß, Gerstein and a few accused operatives like… actually, no. Why should I correct you. ? Instead I will give you a chance to show how much you actually know.
Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

They issued very weak denials, denying knowledge.

The case of Kramer is less ambiguous, he said:

"I have heard of the allegations of former prisoners in Auschwitz referring to a gas chamber there, the mass executions and whippings, the cruelty of the guards employed, and that all this took place either in my presence or with my knowledge. All I can say to all this is that it is untrue from beginning to end."

So I misread this to mean that he was only denying knowledge. The 'and' in particular means that he was denying all of it, so I concede this point.

What other denials of this sort are there? Goerring and co were just trying to save their asses, and accepted that it had happened once they were shown "evidence". This is the best you have, I find it amusing you think the case is strong here.

It's a lot more than this, "testimony of Höß, Gerstein"

Pohl, Kaltenbrunner for one, highest SS tried. Speer admitted. Among the SS that there were tried there was widespread admission.

Great! You are admitting you are arguing from ignorance.
Why are you here?

Pohl made some kind of plea deal and admitted to nonsense (just like Eichmann did).
And Kaltenbrunner did NOT admit either: a.) having knowledge of any mass-gassing extermination policy prior to being informed of it after the surrender, or b.) participation.

Neither did Speer. The claim he admitted was at the Himmler Posen speech so knew is bogus.

You have nothing to support your belief-system but bogus claims and incorrect info.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Q1. Which people do you “think” were in positions to know?
Q2. Which of them in your view didn’t deny it.

To better answer your question here, high ranking people in the SS were certainly in position to know.

Better question is, who among this cohort denied it lol

Ha ha!

Wow! What a devastating fail. You have demonstrated you are clueless!

[bombsaway]

And Kaltenbrunner did NOT admit either: a.) having knowledge of any mass-gassing extermination policy prior to being informed of it after the surrender, or b.) participation.

ehhh

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-11-46.asp

DR. KAUFFMANN: One further question to that. When did you hear, for the first time, that the camp at Auschwitz was an extermination camp?

KALTENBRUNNER: Himmler told me that in 1944, in February or March. That is, he did not tell me, he admitted it.

Who in the SS denied at a trial?