Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[ConfusedJew]

I'm bombarded with so many videos and sources and information here. Will somebody please respond to my post directly, point by point, without requiring me to sift through so much information?

[Stubble]

Dude, the whole thread is redundant anyway.

Why don't you, ever, actually read anything already on the forum.

So far as responding to your op, I did, and concisely I might add, with less than 50 words.

What, too much trouble to read or respond to?

Yet you will go have ai print you 1,000 words of slop and just drop it into a thread without even a shred of thought 9n your end.

[ConfusedJew]

Confused Jew:

Where were the 700,000 - 900,000 buried? Pre-cremation?

Pre-cremation, the hundreds of thousands of victims at Treblinka were buried in vast mass graves within the camp. These were later exhumed and cremated to conceal the evidence. Although relatively few intact skeletons remain today due to exhumation, cremation, and time, forensic studies have substantiated the presence of extensive human remains at the site.

Eyewitnesses and German testimony describe mass graves up to 50–60 meters long, 20–30 meters wide, and 5–6 meters deep. The graves were dug in a section of the extermination area known as the "camp 3" zone, near the gas chambers.

Polish and Israeli forensic and archaeological surveys have confirmed the existence of large burial pits containing human remains and layers of ash and bone fragments.

Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls conducted ground-penetrating radar (GPR) surveys (2010s) that identified at least 10 large pits consistent with historical descriptions of burial trenches.

On the map you provided, the mass graves (burial pits) are located in the extermination area in the upper left section, specifically near the following:

Label 26: Cremation Grids — This is where exhumed bodies were burned.

Label 24: New Gas Chambers and Label 25: Old Gas Chambers — Bodies were transported directly to burial pits from here.

Shaded pits surrounding this cluster are marked as burial pits in the legend (with a dotted rectangular symbol and a plus sign inside).

These mass graves were dug west and southwest of the gas chambers and cremation grids, in the cluster of large, shaded, rectangular zones within the extermination area, close to label 27 (Barracks for Prisoners). This is the precise area where most of the 700,000–900,000 victims were buried before being exhumed and cremated.

[ConfusedJew]

That if you were to put twice the population of Liverpool into a blender and pour them into the grave space as a liquid, they still wouldn't fit...

Twice the population of Liverpool is about 1 million people.

The average human volume: ~66 liters (0.066 cubic meters).

So, for 900,000 people, 0.066 m³ × 900,000 ≈ 59,400 m³.

Eyewitnesses and German trial records describe 10–15 burial pits roughly 50-60 meters (long) by 10-15 meters (wide) by 5-6 meters (deep). The plausible volume range is 25,000–81,000 m³. Since 59,4000 is within that range, yes, twice the population of Liverpool would fit.

However, victims were not "poured in as liquid". The bodies were tightly packed in layers, sometimes partially decomposed or burned, moved with excavators, and later exhumed and burned, reducing remains to ash and bone fragments.

The blender analogy is misleading both mathematically and forensically. It’s not a valid argument against the documented scale of Treblinka.

[ConfusedJew]

So far as responding to your op, I did, and concisely I might add, with less than 50 words.

What, too much trouble to read or respond to?

Yet you will go have ai print you 1,000 words of slop and just drop it into a thread without even a shred of thought 9n your end.

You didn't directly address anything that I wrote but I did the math that you implied would prove you right and it didn't play out the way you were expecting. Feel free to directly challenge the number of pits, the dimensions of the pits, or the average human body volume as a liquid. But if you can't adequately challenge any of those assumptions, the math clearly doesn't work in your favor and you should admit that it was a flawed argument.

[Stubble]

That if you were to put twice the population of Liverpool into a blender and pour them into the grave space as a liquid, they still wouldn't fit...

Twice the population of Liverpool is about 1 million people.

The average human volume: ~66 liters (0.066 cubic meters).

So, for 900,000 people, 0.066 m³ × 900,000 ≈ 59,400 m³.

Eyewitnesses and German trial records describe 10–15 burial pits roughly 50-60 meters (long) by 10-15 meters (wide) by 5-6 meters (deep). The plausible volume range is 25,000–81,000 m³. Since 59,4000 is within that range, yes, twice the population of Liverpool would fit.

However, victims were not "poured in as liquid". The bodies were tightly packed in layers, sometimes partially decomposed or burned, moved with excavators, and later exhumed and burned, reducing remains to ash and bone fragments.

The blender analogy is misleading both mathematically and forensically. It’s not a valid argument against the documented scale of Treblinka.

Now go look at the actual grave space. The reality of the alleged graves.

Also, feel free to consider where the alleged pits you ran with would fit. You can use whatever map you like (there are many and they are all fairly different).

Furthermore, asking ai 'do this for me' isn't 'doing this'. It just isn't.

Some consumable media for those who refuse to read, think or engage with source material;



I will also take some time to point out that my statement does indeed address, in whole, the 'questions?' In the op. I don't care if AI thinks that 'satellite images from the 1940's' were of poor quality. The bodies don't fit.

You can't shove 1,000,000lbs into a 5lb sack.

[ConfusedJew]

Now go look at the actual grave space. The reality of the alleged graves.

Also, feel free to consider where the alleged pits you ran with would fit. You can use whatever map you like (there are many and they are all fairly different).

Furthermore, asking ai 'do this for me' isn't 'doing this'. It just isn't.

Some consumable media for those who refuse to read, think or engage with source material;



I will also take some time to point out that my statement does indeed address, in whole, the 'questions?' In the op. I don't care if AI thinks that 'satellite images from the 1940's' were of poor quality. The bodies don't fit.

You can't shove 1,000,000lbs into a 5lb sack.

I'm not going to watch a 4 hour video on the Middle East but I will address your questions on the burial pits.

The identified “Extermination Area” is a fenced zone ~200 m × 200 m (40,000 m²). The burial pits were all inside this, plus space for gas chambers, cremation grids, paths.

If each pit is ~60×15 m = 900 m², 10 such pits would have been 9,000 m². So the mass graves themselves would take ~22% of the extermination area footprint and easily fit in that space. Many published archaeological overlays and radar scans do confirm several subsurface anomalies of this size.

Sturdy Colls et al.) did GPR and found clear large anomalies matching those pit dimensions with ash, burnt bone, lime layers consistent with the historical exhumation and burning.

The “1,000,000 lbs into a 5lb sack” analogy ignores that soft tissue liquefies and compacts when it decomposes. And cremation removed 90% of the soft mass; bone ash is very light by volume.

It is gruesome but physically feasible, a body reduces to ~2–3 kg of bone fragments after open-air cremation. Skeptical claims that “the bodies can’t fit” rely on treating bodies as rigid barrels instead of compressible biological matter that decays and was burned.

[HansHill]

Great, that's what I figured. And just so we are clear, the areas you specified are located here on the map, as taken from wikimedia, are the areas indicated here in red:



What you are saying is, there were, pre-Himmler order, between 700,000 - 900,000 corpses buried in this parcel of land. As such why the need to even invoke this argument:

Cremation reduces bodies to small volumes of ash and fragments.

As your argument presupposes that cremated and non-cremated bodies occupied the same areas.

[Stubble]

I'm not going to watch a 4 hour video on the Middle East but I will address your questions on the burial pits.

It is not about the middle east, it is about the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Title is 1/3rd of the holocaust.

You won't read, and you won't just listen to something. You should be able to adjust playback speed. It can be run and intelligible at 4x speed.

The identified “Extermination Area” is a fenced zone ~200 m × 200 m (40,000 m²). The burial pits were all inside this, plus space for gas chambers, cremation grids, paths.

That's half the area of the camp, so, obviously not inside the 'identified extermination area'.

If each pit is ~60×15 m = 900 m², 10 such pits would have been 9,000 m². So the mass graves themselves would take ~22% of the extermination area footprint and easily fit in that space. Many published archaeological overlays and radar scans do confirm several subsurface anomalies of this size.

Point to where they are on the map, if you would be so kind. Address it to Mr Hill however, because he too would like to know, and I think he can take it from here. I don't want to impose.

Sturdy Colls et al.) did GPR and found clear large anomalies matching those pit dimensions with ash, burnt bone, lime layers consistent with the historical exhumation and burning.

No, she didn't. Again, go look.

The “1,000,000 lbs into a 5lb sack” analogy ignores that soft tissue liquefies and compacts when it decomposes. And cremation removed 90% of the soft mass; bone ash is very light by volume.

No, you are ignoring the primary burial, furthermore, this is AI generated garbage just thrown by you onto the board.

It is gruesome but physically feasible, a body reduces to ~2–3 kg of bone fragments after open-air cremation. Skeptical claims that “the bodies can’t fit” rely on treating bodies as rigid barrels instead of compressible biological matter that decays and was burned.

Again, AI generated garbage, ignoring primary burial then obfuscating the issue to create a blithe dismissal.

My conclusion, you don't understand the issue and you aren't interested in understanding the issue.

We haven't even gotten to the lumberjacks either.

This horse should be so thoroughly dead by now, but, that doesn't stop you ignoring everything already said on the forum on the matter, saddling her up and seeing if she has got some life left in her, now, does it.

You won't read a book, you won't listen to an audiobook, you won't watch a video, you won't read the forum and you just post AI slop. You are incredibly lazy, intellectually dishonest and a complete waste of time.

[Archie]

CJ,

Human bodies are not shaped like perfect cubes. Humans have an awkward shape which will limit the packing efficiency. This one one of many reasons why under practical conditions you would never achieve anything anywhere close to the density you are assuming.

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[Fred Ziffel]

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[ConfusedJew]

CJ,

Human bodies are not shaped like perfect cubes. Humans have an awkward shape which will limit the packing efficiency. This one one of many reasons why under practical conditions you would never achieve anything anywhere close to the density you are assuming.

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Forensic anthropology uses empirical burial density, not perfect block calculations. The rough rule of thumb for chaotic mass graves: 500–700 kg/m³ for fresh bodies plus voids. This is what has been found in mass graves in Bosnia, Rwanda, Katyn, etc.

A pit 30 m x 10 m x 5 m = 1,500 m³ could hold on the order of 750–1,000 metric tonnes of body mass. The average adult ~50 kg → roughly 15,000–20,000 bodies per large pit, under field conditions, with overlap and decomposition.

It's also worth noting that as decomposition advanced, gases built up and soft tissue collapsed, creating more compaction.
Heavy machinery sometimes refilled pits with sand or soil on top.

The Germans began to bury all corpses in mass graves, beginning in mid 1942. They used excavators (mechanical diggers) to dig pits 30–50 meters long, ~8–10 meters wide, and ~5–6 meters deep. SS men and survivors described at least 10–15 such pits in use at once, reused and expanded as needed.

A typical pit was 1,750 cubic meters (35m x 10m x 5 m). With real-world burial density ~500–700 kg/m³ (including air gaps), and an average victim mass ~40–50 kg → 1 pit ≈ 1,000,000 kg → ~20,000–25,000 bodies

10 large pits × ~20,000–25,000 = 200,000–250,000 bodies at a time. As pits filled, they dug new ones. Pits were partly reused: older ones were reopened for cremation later.

At peak burial, maybe ~250,000–300,000 bodies lay in graves at once. As older graves were exhumed and cremated, space was reused for more victims. Over the year, the same grave volume was used multiple times. In the end, all remains were burned or scattered to hide the crime.

I guess that explains why you didn't believe that 900,000 bodies were buried at the same time, because they weren't. But the mass pits were excavated and re-used. 900,000 victims do not require 900,000 “body spaces” all at once — because corpses decomposed and compressed. The pits were systematically reopened. Cremation reduced remains to ash and then emptied pits reused for new burials or ash burial.

[Nessie]

I'm bombarded with so many videos and sources and information here. Will somebody please respond to my post directly, point by point, without requiring me to sift through so much information?

1. Many argue that the quantities of bone fragments, ash, or disturbed soil are inconsistent with the number of victims claimed. They said only a few graves were found or that human remains are minimal.

So-called revisionists do a lot of lying and minimising, when it comes to the volume of cremated remains found at the camp. They never state exactly what that volume is, or show the evidence they use to determine the answer.

2. Some argue that the bodies would have been visible in satellite or aerial photography. Wartime aerial photos of camps don’t show the kind of smoke or open pits that extermination would produce.

There are no aerial photos from when the camp was open, only after it had closed in 1944. Those photos corroborate the evidence of the cover-up, that the site was left with accommodation for a guard and rectangular outlines, consistent with the mass graves in the Lazarette area of the camp.

3. Many deniers assert that archaeological work was incomplete, biased, or avoids full excavation because researchers fear disproving the mainstream narrative.

A bunch of amateurs, with no relevant qualifications and an agenda to deny, find flaws in the evidence.

Only the 2011 C S-C site survey avoided excavations in the grave area, concentrating on finding the gas chambers. The Poles have excavated at the camp, in 1945 and again, last year.

4. Some argue that the camps were transit camps, not extermination centers. Many believe that the Jews were resettled rather than murdered.

This is where so-called revisionists fall apart and prove they are clueless investigators. Mattogno and Hunt prefer the transit camp thesis, but Hunt rolled back on that. Scott claims it was a hygiene station to prevent the spread of typhus. PR claims it was a property sorting centre. Nazgul favours it was a customs post. Others have suggested it was a stop where people changed to the wider gauge Soviet trains. Then there are also claims hardly anyone arrived at the camp and that it was located elsewhere and mixed up with another camp.

[Nessie]

... the whole thread is redundant anyway.

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Correct. So-called revisionists have made their minds up and decided that because they cannot work out how so many people were buried at TII and cannot believe the claims about it being c850,000, therefore, it did not happen and that many people are not buried there. Rely on that logically flawed argument and ignore, dispute and lie about the evidence.

[Nessie]

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Human bodies are not shaped like perfect cubes. Humans have an awkward shape which will limit the packing efficiency. This one one of many reasons why under practical conditions you would never achieve anything anywhere close to the density you are assuming.

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The density of naked corpses, buried together in a single mass grave, is 100% corpse. As the corpses decompose under pressure, they congeal into a single mass, with no air gaps and no space taken up with clothing, coffins, or earth gaps between the buried. It is likely liquids leach out and any gasses escape, leaving the skin, bones and organs. That is how such a high density was achieved.

When Kola conducted borehole sampling at Belzec, he found what he called a waxy-fat mass, which will be the congealed remains of corpses that were not exhumed and cremated. Pawlicka-Nowak reported a corrosive substance had been added to the Chelmno mass graves.