Hitler's "Prophecy" - January 1939

[ConfusedJew]

"If international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."

A few questions:

1. Doesn't this statement show that he had an intent to annihilate Jews?

2. How did "international finance Jewry" plunge Europe into WW1 and why was it their goal?

3. What did Jews do between January and September 1939 to escalate a world war? World War II is considered to have officially become a world war on September 3, 1939, when Britain and France declared war on Germany, two days after Germany invaded Poland.

[Wahrheitssucher]

"If international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."

A few questions:

1. Doesn't this statement show that he had an intent to annihilate Jews?

2. How did "international finance Jewry" plunge Europe into WW1 and why was it their goal?

3. What did Jews do between January and September 1939 to escalate a world war? World War II is considered to have officially become a world war on September 3, 1939, when Britain and France declared war on Germany, two days after Germany invaded Poland.

Good questions.

First, maybe, in order to understand the context, read the whole speech. In it he talked of the mass-expulsion ( not murder) of Jews and WHY (after over a hundred years of Germany accepting jewish immigration) it was deemed necessary.
There are many places online where you can read it in its entirety. E.g. here:
https://ia804602.us.archive.org/26/item ... t_text.pdf

Second understand that Hitler didn’t give any of his speeches in English ( ) so unless we speak German we will always be at a disadvantage as others can deliberately or unintentionally misinform us.
Fortunately today we have numerous online translator tools.

Here is the particular part in German:

"Ich bin in meinem Leben sehr oft Prophet gewesen und wurde meistens ausgelacht. In der Zeit meines Kampfes um die Macht war es in erster Linie das jüdische Volk, das nur mit Gelächter meine Prophezeiungen hinnahm, ich würde einmal in Deutschland die Führung des Staates und damit des ganzen Volkes übernehmen und dann unter vielen anderen auch das jüdische Problem zur Lösung bringen. Ich glaube, dass dieses damalige schallende Gelächter dem Judentum in Deutschland unterdes wohl schon in der Kehle erstickt ist. Ich will heute wieder ein Prophet sein: Wenn es dem internationalen Finanzjudentum in und außerhalb Europas gelingen sollte, die Völker noch einmal in einen Weltkrieg zu stürzen, dann wird das Ergebnis nicht die Bolschewisierung der Erde und damit der Sieg des Judentums sein, sondern die Vernichtung der jüdischen Rasse in Europa."

He mentions there the “jüdische Problem”.
It is very important to understand that perception of this “problem” or ‘jewish question’ had been and was still, something that many other statesmen and interested persons in other nations recognised, besides Hitler. And that includes Theodor Herzl, the Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist and lawyer who was the father of modern political Zionism.

Coming to the particular wording that you are interested in understanding:
“Vernichtung der jüdischen Rasse in Europa” does not necessarily mean “mass-murder”. For example, the ‘functionalist’ school of thought accepts that at this stage of history it definitely DID NOT.

If you are sincere in trying to understand this history objectively and fairly, then like Lewis Carrol’s Alice you will be going into a very deep ‘rabbit hole’. So… Regarding your other questions this is perhaps enough ‘homework’ to begin with, to read the entire speech.

[HansHill]

"If international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."

A few questions:

1. Doesn't this statement show that he had an intent to annihilate Jews?

2. How did "international finance Jewry" plunge Europe into WW1 and why was it their goal?

3. What did Jews do between January and September 1939 to escalate a world war? World War II is considered to have officially become a world war on September 3, 1939, when Britain and France declared war on Germany, two days after Germany invaded Poland.

1) No. It should be obvious why not but I'll be writing this for posterity as much as anything else. Firstly I will draw your attention to the obvious that Adolf Hitler spoke German and so any translations into English are immediately liable for distortion. To demonstrate my point, the BBC documentary "World At War" from 1973 translated that line from that speech as "that will be the end of the Jews in Europe"



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Whats important to note here is that this documentary was produced over 30 years after this speech, so it's not as if they didn't have time to cobble together a satisfactorily "sinister" translation. That the translation became more and more sinister over time in line with holocaust hysteria is natural.

Your question presupposes a meaning which is at odds with the relevant actors at the time had of this speech, including both the NSDAP themselves, but also Holocaust proponents as I will demonstrate. Adolf Hitler cited himself 1 year later in January 1940:

"And I should like to repeat the warning that I have already once given, on September 1, 1939 [sic: Jan. 30, 1939], in the German Reichstag: namely, the warning that if Jewry drives the world into a general war, the role Jewry plays in Europe will be all over!"

Likewise Himmler commented on that quote on 23 Nov 1943:

The Jewish question in Europe has completely changed. The Führer once said in a Reichstag speech: If Jewry triggers an international war, for example, to exterminate the Aryan people, then it won’t be the Aryans who will be exterminated, but Jewry. The Jews have been resettled outside Germany, they are living here, in the east, and are working on our roads, railways etc. This is a consistent process, but is conducted without cruelty.

So as we can see, the very man, in your mind responsible for this "prophecy", referred to it not only in the past tense as having been completed, but peacefully.

Likewise Joseph Goebbels:

"the Führer’s prophecy, when he explained at the beginning of the war that it would not end with the destruction (Vernichtung) of the Aryan race, but with the expulsion (Austreibung) of Jewry from Europe."

and finally:

At the Irving-Lipstadt libel trial it was conceded by Lipstadt’s team of anti-revisionist Holocaust experts that prior to 1941 there was no Nazi policy to exterminate Jewry. Justice Gray noted: “It is common ground between the parties [Irving and Lipstadt’s team of Holocaust experts] that, until the latter part of 1941, the solution to the Jewish question which Hitler preferred was their mass deportation.”56 The anti-revisionist experts at the Irving-Lipstadt libel trial further admitted: “…that in the 1930s Hitler should not be understood to have been speaking in a genocidal terms.”57
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56. See Judge Gray’s “Judgment” in the Irving-Lipstadt libel trial, online: https://archive.is/sFd8u, paragraph 13.26.

57. Ibid, paragraph 13.27.

"B-b-but this is all just quote-ping-pong and doesn't actually prove anything!" Yes fair enough, however my position is a all the more underscored by the actions and behaviours of the players at the time, including the Allies. No nation, friendly or hostile to Germany, interpreted Hitler's Reichstag speech as to be what you are claiming it was, ie a Global announcement, during peacetime, of committing (or intention to commit) genocide. No nation ceased diplomatic relations with Germany on this issue, no nation made any claims of a genocide taking place or being planned or rolled out, because they had no valid reason to, nor any admission it was happening, because what you are claiming isn't the case. In fact, prior to diplomatic relations breaking down on 1st Sep 1939, in the 8 months immediately after this speech in January, was when Von Ribbentrop in particular was actively engaging with foreign Governments in his role as Foreign Minister, and liaising with Diplomats such as Henderson from the UK on a seemingly weekly basis, this would have been the perfect time, place, channel and means to credibly accuse Germany of genociding the Jews and garner justification for a Declaration of War.... but they never did.

2) Complicated question and probably needs its own separate thread, independent of a thread about the Hitler quote.

3) Also decidedly complex, but it's a little more relevant to Adolf Hitler and the 3R so I'll indulge within this thread, and so to get us off to a start I will quote from Dr Dalton "The Jewish Hand In The World Wars":

Back in Washington, Ambassador Potocki sent two more revealing reports to Warsaw. A short statement on January 9 included this remark:

The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda, which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the specter of the danger of war. Because of this, the Americans have strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison with last year.

Three days later came the longest and perhaps most insightful report:92

The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews, who control almost 100 percent of radio, film, daily and periodical press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents Germany as black as possible—above all religious persecution and concentration camps are exploited—this propaganda is nevertheless extremely effective, since the public here is completely ignorant and knows nothing of the situation in Europe. …

The prevalent hatred against everything which is in any way connected with German Nazism is further kindled by the brutal policy against the Jews in Germany and by the émigré problem. In this action, various Jewish intellectuals participated: for instance, Bernard Baruch; the Governor of New York State, Lehman; the newly appointed judge of the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter; Secretary of the Treasury Morgenthau; and others who are personal friends of President Roosevelt. They want the President to become the champion of human rights, freedom of religion and speech, and the man who in the future will punish trouble-makers. These groups of people, who occupy the highest positions in the American government and want to pose as representatives of ‘true Americanism’ and ‘defenders of democracy,’ are, in the last analysis, connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.

For this Jewish international, which above all is concerned with the interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States as the ‘idealist’ champion on human rights was a very clever move. In this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and hostility in this hemisphere, and divided the world into two hostile camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy, and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously.

If Potocki were correct, it would mean that war had effectively been decided upon by the Allied powers. And in fact, that’s exactly what Bullitt said to American journalist Karl von Wiegand: “War in Europe has been decided upon. Poland had an assurance of the support of Britain and France, and would yield to no demands from Germany. America would be in the war after Britain and France entered it”.93 Bullitt obviously had inside access to a well-developed plan, one that was proceeding apace.

Further pro-war sentiments in Britain came from their Jewish Secretary of War, Leslie Hore-Belisha. Appointed by Chamberlain in 1937, he quickly came to be seen as spoiling for a fight with Hitler, one that the British were ill-prepared to take on. British MP Oswald Mosley publicly labeled Hore-Belisha “a Jewish warmonger,” and chief of staff Henry Pownall, writing in his diary in May 1939, called him “an obscure, shallow-brained, charlatan, political Jewboy”.94 Also in May, Hore-Belisha succeeded in pushing through the first-ever peacetime military draft in the UK; clearly he was expecting war. Conflicts with Chamberlain’s relatively pacifist staff increased, and Hore-Belisha was finally dismissed in January 1940, just four months into WW2.

Emphasis mine.

[Archie]

A few comments about the speech.

*) Interpreting the "annihilation" here to indicate a plan of mass execution contradicts the idea that the Holocaust was top secret. Weren't you guys just recently giving excuses for why the Wannsee minutes don't mention anything about a mass extermination program? Does it make sense to say that the Germans were explicit in public speeches but extremely careful in private meetings?

*) Elsewhere in the speech he very clearly references expulsion of Jews rather than mass execution.

Do not reproach me on the grounds of your humanitarian concerns. The German Volk does not wish to be governed by another people; it does not wish others to determine its affairs in its place. France to the French; England to the English; America to the Americans, and Germany to the Germans! We are determined to undercut the efforts of a certain foreign people to nest here; a people whose members knew how to capture all leading positions. We will banish this people. We are willing to educate our own Volk to assume these leadership functions. We have hundreds of thousands of the most intelligent children of peasants and workers. We will have them educated, and we are already educating them. We are hoping that one day we can place them in all leading positions within the state along with others from our educated classes.

No longer shall these be occupied by members of a people alien to us.

Above all, as the literal meaning of the term already indicates, German culture is exclusively German; it is not Jewish. Hence we shall place the administration and the care for our culture in the hands of our Volk. Should the rest of the world be outraged and protest hypocritically against Germany’s barbarous expulsion of such an extraordinary, culturally valuable, irreplaceable element, then we can only be astonished at the consequences such a stance would imply.

I believe the earlier this problem is resolved, the better. For Europe cannot find peace before it has dealt properly with the Jewish question.

It is possible that the necessity of resolving this problem sooner or later should bring about agreement in Europe, even between nations which otherwise might not have reconciled themselves as readily with one another. There is more than enough room for settlement on this earth. All we need to do is put an end to the prevailing assumption that the Dear Lord chose the Jewish people to be the beneficiaries of a certain percentage of the productive capacities of other peoples’ bodies and their labors. Either the Jews will have to adjust to constructive, respectable activities, such as other people are already engaged in, or, sooner or later, they will succumb to a crisis of yet inconceivable proportions.

*) January 1939 is too early for the simplistic mass murder interpretation to make sense. It isn't consistent with, for instance, the fact that in 1940 the Germans were planning on sending the Jews to Madagascar.

[Hektor]

"If international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."
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When citing this quote one should also cite the following part of this speech, as well:

"It is possible that the necessity of resolving this problem sooner or later should bring about agreement in Europe, even between nations which otherwise might not have reconciled themselves as readily with one another. There is more than enough room for settlement on this earth. All we need to do is put an end to the prevailing assumption that the Dear Lord chose the Jewish people to be the beneficiaries of a certain percentage of the productive capacities of other peoples’ bodies and their labors. Either the Jews will have to adjust to constructive, respectable activities, such as other people are already engaged in, or, sooner or later, they will succumb to a crisis of yet inconceivable proportions."

Apparently Hitler was in agreement with Theodor Herzl on this.

This part is commonly skipped. Any idea why that may be the case?

[ConfusedJew]

All we need to do is put an end to the prevailing assumption that the Dear Lord chose the Jewish people to be the beneficiaries of a certain percentage of the productive capacities of other peoples’ bodies and their labors. Either the Jews will have to adjust to constructive, respectable activities, such as other people are already engaged in, or, sooner or later, they will succumb to a crisis of yet inconceivable proportions."

This doesn't make much sense. What were the Jews doing that was not respectable and what kind of crisis was he imagining and how would it come about?

[HansHill]

All we need to do is put an end to the prevailing assumption that the Dear Lord chose the Jewish people to be the beneficiaries of a certain percentage of the productive capacities of other peoples’ bodies and their labors. Either the Jews will have to adjust to constructive, respectable activities, such as other people are already engaged in, or, sooner or later, they will succumb to a crisis of yet inconceivable proportions."

This doesn't make much sense. What were the Jews doing that was not respectable and what kind of crisis was he imagining and how would it come about?

I find it difficult to believe you are completely unaware of the ethnic tensions, and causes, between Jews and non-Jews in Central & Eastern Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries. AH in this passage is addressing the commonly understood behaviour patterns of Jews in these regions during this period.

[ConfusedJew]

This doesn't make much sense. What were the Jews doing that was not respectable and what kind of crisis was he imagining and how would it come about?

I find it difficult to believe you are completely unaware of the ethnic tensions, and causes, between Jews and non-Jews in Central & Eastern Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries. AH in this passage is addressing the commonly understood behaviour patterns of Jews in these regions during this period.

I'm familiar with the ethnic tensions but they were very different in each geography. I'm asking the question not because I am totally unaware but I like to hear things from the language and perspective of other people. The German Jews had been emancipated and were fairly assimilated into German society in the era leading up to the Holocaust.

In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and later in Russian, Austrian, and Hungarian territories, large Jewish communities often served as intermediaries: tax farmers, estate managers, innkeepers, grain traders, moneylenders. This was partly due to restrictions on land ownership and guild membership for Jews. This middleman position sometimes caused resentment among peasants, small artisans, and later nationalists.

While Polish peasants might have resented a Jewish tavern keeper, or Hungarian gentry might resent Jewish bankers, the Nazi version from Hitler's 1939 speech elevated this into a unified racial threat needing global elimination which was unprecedented in its scale and method.

[Wahrheitssucher]

This doesn't make much sense. What were the Jews doing that was not respectable and what kind of crisis was he imagining and how would it come about?

I find it difficult to believe you are completely unaware of the ethnic tensions, and causes, between Jews and non-Jews in Central & Eastern Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries. AH in this passage is addressing the commonly understood behaviour patterns of Jews in these regions during this period.

I'm familiar with the ethnic tensions but they were very different in each geography. I'm asking the question not because I am totally unaware but I like to hear things from the language and perspective of other people. The German Jews had been emancipated and were fairly assimilated into German society in the era leading up to the Holocaust.

This reply shows yet again that: a. you are not showing any appreciable learning curve;
b.) you are not responding honestly as numerous examples have already been given to you in the thread on jewish expulsions. And there you either denied them or dodged them.

[ConfusedJew]

Don't expect a response from me again on this forum. Bye.

I've added you to my Foe list and will be ignoring you from here on out. I have not done that to anybody else here. You were given enough chances.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Don't expect a response from me again on this forum. Bye.

I've added you to my Foe list and will be ignoring you from here on out. I have not done that to anybody else here. You were given enough chances.

Ha ha ha. Epic fail.

[ConfusedJew]

A few comments about the speech.

*) Interpreting the "annihilation" here to indicate a plan of mass execution contradicts the idea that the Holocaust was top secret. Weren't you guys just recently giving excuses for why the Wannsee minutes don't mention anything about a mass extermination program? Does it make sense to say that the Germans were explicit in public speeches but extremely careful in private meetings?

*) Elsewhere in the speech he very clearly references expulsion of Jews rather than mass execution.

In German, Hitler used the word “Vernichtung” from the root nichten which means to "reduce to nothing". In modern German usage, the word means destruction, annihilation, extermination, obliteration. In Hitler’s time and usage, it usually implied physical destruction, not merely expulsion.

Between 1938 and 1940, Hitler's foreign ministry planned to deport European Jews to Madagascar after victory over Britain.

From what I see, historians see the 1939 usage of the word annihilation as a rhetorical threat, signaling radical consequences, but not yet specific orders for genocide.

On July 31, 1941, Hermann Göring, Hitler’s designated successor and head of the Four Year Plan, signed a written order addressed to Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Reich Security Main Office which oversaw the Gestapo and the SD.

Here's the text in standard English:

“I herewith commission you to carry out all preparations with regard to organizational and financial matters for a complete solution of the Jewish question in the German sphere of influence in Europe. Wherever other government agencies are involved, these are to cooperate with you. I furthermore charge you with submitting to me in the near future an overall plan concerning the organizational, practical, and material measures necessary for the accomplishment of the desired final solution of the Jewish question.”

Before the Goring order, Nazi policy mostly revolved around forced emigration. After the Göring Order, Heydrich was given a blank check to coordinate all state and party organs for a new radical “solution” in the east. This coincides with the massive shootings by Einsatzgruppen behind the Eastern Front (summer–fall 1941) and by January 1942, this culminates in the Wannsee Protocol, which historians see as explicit plans for mass deportations to death camps.

Mainstream historians note that the timing and context of the Göring Order coincide exactly with the start of Einsatzgruppen mass shootings in the Soviet Union — tens of thousands killed in weeks. Heydrich used this order to convene the Wannsee Conference (January 1942), where killing was operationalized.

Do you guys think that there was no connection between the Einsatzgruppen killings and the order or do you not believe that the Einsatzgruppen killings even happened?

[HansHill]

I'm familiar with the ethnic tensions but they were very different in each geography. I'm asking the question not because I am totally unaware but I like to hear things from the language and perspective of other people. The German Jews had been emancipated and were fairly assimilated into German society in the era leading up to the Holocaust.

In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and later in Russian, Austrian, and Hungarian territories, large Jewish communities often served as intermediaries: tax farmers, estate managers, innkeepers, grain traders, moneylenders. This was partly due to restrictions on land ownership and guild membership for Jews. This middleman position sometimes caused resentment among peasants, small artisans, and later nationalists.

While Polish peasants might have resented a Jewish tavern keeper, or Hungarian gentry might resent Jewish bankers, the Nazi version from Hitler's 1939 speech elevated this into a unified racial threat needing global elimination which was unprecedented in its scale and method.

ok good so we are not starting from zero, you are somewhat aware of the ethnic tensions between Jew and non-Jew. The best treatment I've seen as to the root cause of alot of the ethnic tensions is Alexander Solzhenitsyn's "Two Hundred Years Together", which deals specifically with Russia however as you mentioned alot of these patterns were noted elsewhere. Here is a small and brief example of something that would routinely happen



So to say they were forced into being middlemen isnt exactly true. Back to Germany, the NSDAP were vividly aware of all this history, as well as the recent emergence of not only Bolshevism and Zionism, but the waves of degeneracy in the interwar period. For one example of this disgusting degeneracy, I will cite Magnus Herschfeld and his Sex Institute. This was a medical clinic in Berlin operated and funded by Herschfeld and co-ethnics Arthur Kronfeld and surgeon Ludwig Levy-Lenz. Here they operated the world's first sex change operations, penis removals, vagina-plasties, promoted sexual degeneracy with stage shows, lectures and other media.

Naturally, the Christian German locals detested this degeneracy and it, in combination with everything noted above, reflected very poorly on Jews.