Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Stubble]

Nessie,

Look at figure 4.36. Now, consider the area presented by the study. Go ahead and include the entire monument as a mass grave, and go with the upper bound of 2 meters, uniform, treat it as a perfect cuboid.

You think that the combined grave space is > 56 Olympic swimming pools?

If not, why did you say the grave space was 56 Olympic swimming pools?

You keep saying 2 hectares and 7 meters. Then you point to the Colls study, which does not support that. It's either dishonest or extremely ignorant to do that.

Now it's 'well, 2 hectares combined and with a depth of up to 7 meters'.

Be consistent Nessie, is it 56 Olympic swimming pools, or isn't it? Which is it buddy? Is it 2 hectares and 7 meters, or is it, nebulous and undefined, but, certainly sufficient, because it has to be, because obviously the holocaust (that is the orthodox description of events) occurred, so, the evidence has to fit, regardless of the actual ink on the page and what the actual study actually found?

All of this, and you have called me the dishonest party here...

I'm not, I'm just looking at the paper you keep citing and comparing it to what you keep saying and noting that they are incongruent.

[Nessie]

Nessie,

Look at figure 4.36. Now, consider the area presented by the study. Go ahead and include the entire monument as a mass grave, and go with the upper bound of 2 meters, uniform, treat it as a perfect cuboid.

You think that the combined grave space is > 56 Olympic swimming pools?

If not, why did you say the grave space was 56 Olympic swimming pools?

I didn't. I said that space, where the main mass graves were located, is the equivalent of 56 Olympic sized pools.

You keep saying 2 hectares and 7 meters. Then you point to the Colls study, which does not support that. It's either dishonest or extremely ignorant to do that.

C S-C found traces of large pits within the 2 hectare area. The maximum survey depth was 4m, but there are pits that go deeper, beyond the survey equipment's range.

Now it's 'well, 2 hectares combined and with a depth of up to 7 meters'.

Be consistent Nessie, is it 56 Olympic swimming pools, or isn't it? Which is it buddy? Is it 2 hectares and 7 meters, or is it, nebulous and undefined, but, certainly sufficient, because it has to be, because obviously the holocaust (that is the orthodox description of events) occurred, so, the evidence has to fit, regardless of the actual ink on the page and what the actual study actually found?

All of this, and you have called me the dishonest party here...

I'm not, I'm just looking at the paper you keep citing and comparing it to what you keep saying and noting that they are incongruent.

C S-C proved individual graves within the 2 hectare area described by the Poles in 1945 and that some graves went deeper than 4m, which is consistent with the Polish 7m excavation.

You did not understand what I was talking about and mistakenly claimed I was being dishonest, when I was being consistent and truthful about what the two surveys found.

[Stubble]

Brah

'It's 56 Olympic swimming pools!'

'Where?'

'You don't understand, I'm not saying the space is there, I'm saying that it's 56 Olympic swimming pools!'...

[Keen]

Bla bla bla...

So what do you think about these arguments?

I think you are a lying coward:

A $1,000.00 bet - can be made for each one of the 100 fraudulently alleged / insinuated - mass graves / cremation pits - of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - wagering that you can conclusively prove that they have been scientifically proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of at least 21 people.

To accept - THE $100,000.00 HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE - simply challenge Greg Gerdes (see contact information below) to accept the following - Prove That It Has Been Proven - Wager:

I, _?_, am so confident that the so-called Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II “holocausts” happened as alleged in orthodox historiography, and that the scientific / archaeological / forensic investigations of said “holocausts” were legitimate and the alleged findings conclusively validated; that I am willing to bet Greg Gerdes $1,000.00 that I can definitively prove - in a publicized debate and in a U.S. civil court - that there is a preponderance of conclusively substantiated and documented archaeological / forensic / scientific evidence which proves, with 100 % certainty, that grave number _?_ currently contains the remains of no less than _?_ people. Furthermore, I agree that if I refuse to answer any question or get caught lying during our debate or while in court - I lose the bet / case right then and there.

Additionally, and independent of the $100,000.00 Holocaust Archaeology Hoax Challenge, a - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain, or to have been collected from, the remains of - at least 2 people.

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of $50.00 will be remitted for each one of the alleged - 800 MASS GRAVES - (the explicitly alleged number claimed to have been “uncovered” by the date of - 05 / 04 / 2008) that is conclusively proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least one gunshot victim. Rules are essentially the same as those for The $10,000.00 Holocaust Archaeology Hoax Challenge. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

CONCLUSION / STATEMENT OF FACT: It can be, and Greg Gerdes has, using legal standards applied in U.S. courts, PROVEN that the above mentioned “huge mass grave discoveries” are fraudulent charades, the Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II mass murder / holocaust allegations are false, and the orthodox holocaust story did not happen as alleged.

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS MURDER

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of - $5,000.00 - will be remitted to anyone who can refute the above conclusion / statement of fact in a publicized debate against Greg Gerdes. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Nessie]

Brah

'It's 56 Olympic swimming pools!'

'Where?'

'You don't understand, I'm not saying the space is there, I'm saying that it's 56 Olympic swimming pools!'...

In 1945, the Polish enquiry, took statements from escaped prisoners, who told them where the main mass graves were located with in the camp. The team, at the camp site, identified that area and found it to cover 2 hectares, which at one point an excavation found was 7m deep, containing cremated human remains. Their excavations were not so precise as to be able to map the graves and undisturbed ground between the graves, within that 2 hectares.

In the 1960s, the Polish, to stop grave robbing and to preserve the site as a memorial, concreted over a large part of that area.

In 2011, a team from Staffs Uni, use GPR and electrical resistance, surveyed around the memorial and they identified a number of individual pits, meaning the memorial was not as big as the grave site, it was larger than the Poles thought.

I used the swimming pool equivalence, to convey the scale and size of that area, to show you it was an area large enough to contain multiple mass graves, which combined contained the remains of c850,000 corpses.

[Keen]

Brah

'It's 56 Olympic swimming pools!'

'Where?'

'You don't understand, I'm not saying the space is there, I'm saying that it's 56 Olympic swimming pools!'...

In 1945, the Polish enquiry, took statements from escaped prisoners, who told them where the main mass graves were located with in the camp. The team, at the camp site, identified that area and found it to cover 2 hectares, which at one point an excavation found was 7m deep, containing cremated human remains. Their excavations were not so precise as to be able to map the graves and undisturbed ground between the graves, within that 2 hectares.

In the 1960s, the Polish, to stop grave robbing and to preserve the site as a memorial, concreted over a large part of that area.

In 2011, a team from Staffs Uni, use GPR and electrical resistance, surveyed around the memorial and they identified a number of individual pits, meaning the memorial was not as big as the grave site, it was larger than the Poles thought.

I used the swimming pool equivalence, to convey the scale and size of that area, to show you it was an area large enough to contain multiple mass graves, which combined contained the remains of c850,000 corpses.

A $1,000.00 bet - can be made for each one of the 100 fraudulently alleged / insinuated - mass graves / cremation pits - of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - wagering that you can conclusively prove that they have been scientifically proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of at least 21 people.

To accept - THE $100,000.00 HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE - simply challenge Greg Gerdes (see contact information below) to accept the following - Prove That It Has Been Proven - Wager:

I, _?_, am so confident that the so-called Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II “holocausts” happened as alleged in orthodox historiography, and that the scientific / archaeological / forensic investigations of said “holocausts” were legitimate and the alleged findings conclusively validated; that I am willing to bet Greg Gerdes $1,000.00 that I can definitively prove - in a publicized debate and in a U.S. civil court - that there is a preponderance of conclusively substantiated and documented archaeological / forensic / scientific evidence which proves, with 100 % certainty, that grave number _?_ currently contains the remains of no less than _?_ people. Furthermore, I agree that if I refuse to answer any question or get caught lying during our debate or while in court - I lose the bet / case right then and there.

Additionally, and independent of the $100,000.00 Holocaust Archaeology Hoax Challenge, a - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain, or to have been collected from, the remains of - at least 2 people.

To begin the incredibly easy process of laying claim to each reward and to set all requisite rules...

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

Look at Nessie run from the simple challenges!

[Stubble]

Regardless of the squirming and the gnashing of teeth going on currently, I want to remind the forum, this is what was said.

However, an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, is 140,000m3, or the equivalent to 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, which is an area big enough in which to bury c850,000 corpses.

Now, it's 'well, the area would fit 56 Olympic swimming pools, so, I didn't lie'.

I'd like to remind everyone that figure 4.36 in the study Nessie claimed supported his assertion here, does not, at all, support his assertion.

I don't know what else to say.

[ConfusedJew]

Bla bla bla...

So what do you think about these arguments?

I think you are a lying coward

I'm not going to tolerate these kinds of responses for future reference. No need to accuse me of "lying". You are welcome to point out inconsistencies in what I said or logical contradictions in my arguments but I'm not lying to you, it would be a waste of time for me to do so.

There's no need for you to call me a coward either. Just subjective nonsense. I am curious what you think makes somebody brave or a coward though.

[Keen]

I'd like to remind everyone that figure 4.36 in the study Nessie claimed supported his assertion here, does not, at all, support his assertion.

I don't know what else to say.

So Nessie lied about being caught in yet another lie.

Now let's grab our popcorn and watch him lie some more.

[Nessie]

Regardless of the squirming and the gnashing of teeth going on currently, I want to remind the forum, this is what was said.

However, an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, is 140,000m3, or the equivalent to 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, which is an area big enough in which to bury c850,000 corpses.

Now, it's 'well, the area would fit 56 Olympic swimming pools, so, I didn't lie'.

I'd like to remind everyone that figure 4.36 in the study Nessie claimed supported his assertion here, does not, at all, support his assertion.

I don't know what else to say.

After I said what you quoted, you asked me "You think that the combined grave space is > 56 Olympic swimming pools?". I replied "I said that space, where the main mass graves were located, is the equivalent of 56 Olympic sized pools."

You clearly still do not understand. I am saying that the area, where the reported main mass graves were located, so that is the grave and the ground around each grave, is in an area that totals 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, or 56 Olympic pools.

C S-C finding supports that, with the pits G36 and G50-54, which are around the main memorial, which is in that 2 hectare area.

[Nessie]

Bla bla bla...

So what do you think about these arguments?

I think you are a lying coward

I'm not going to tolerate these kinds of responses for future reference. No need to accuse me of "lying". You are welcome to point out inconsistencies in what I said or logical contradictions in my arguments but I'm not lying to you, it would be a waste of time for me to do so.

There's no need for you to call me a coward either. Just subjective nonsense. I am curious what you think makes somebody brave or a coward though.

It is Keen's MO, to abuse and wind up, to try and get attention and answers to his questions. It is classic bullying, be abusive, with the offer the abuse will stop, if you comply with his demands.

[Stubble]

Regardless of the squirming and the gnashing of teeth going on currently, I want to remind the forum, this is what was said.

However, an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, is 140,000m3, or the equivalent to 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, which is an area big enough in which to bury c850,000 corpses.

Now, it's 'well, the area would fit 56 Olympic swimming pools, so, I didn't lie'.

I'd like to remind everyone that figure 4.36 in the study Nessie claimed supported his assertion here, does not, at all, support his assertion.

I don't know what else to say.

After I said what you quoted, you asked me "You think that the combined grave space is > 56 Olympic swimming pools?". I replied "I said that space, where the main mass graves were located, is the equivalent of 56 Olympic sized pools."

You clearly still do not understand. I am saying that the area, where the reported main mass graves were located, so that is the grave and the ground around each grave, is in an area that totals 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, or 56 Olympic pools.

C S-C finding supports that, with the pits G36 and G50-54, which are around the main memorial, which is in that 2 hectare area.

No Nessie, you clearly refuse to admit you were wrong.

which is an area big enough in which to bury c850,000 corpses

^that is very clearly saying the burial space was '56 Olympic swimming pools' worth of space and thus easily accommodated '850,000 bodies'.

Now, 'oh, I was just saying the space as a whole was that large, not the grave space'.

You misrepresented the reality of the situation and you continue to wiggle.

I don't see any point in going further with this divergence. Let's go ahead and move forward with the thread.

[Nessie]

Regardless of the squirming and the gnashing of teeth going on currently, I want to remind the forum, this is what was said.



Now, it's 'well, the area would fit 56 Olympic swimming pools, so, I didn't lie'.

I'd like to remind everyone that figure 4.36 in the study Nessie claimed supported his assertion here, does not, at all, support his assertion.

I don't know what else to say.

After I said what you quoted, you asked me "You think that the combined grave space is > 56 Olympic swimming pools?". I replied "I said that space, where the main mass graves were located, is the equivalent of 56 Olympic sized pools."

You clearly still do not understand. I am saying that the area, where the reported main mass graves were located, so that is the grave and the ground around each grave, is in an area that totals 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, or 56 Olympic pools.

C S-C finding supports that, with the pits G36 and G50-54, which are around the main memorial, which is in that 2 hectare area.

No Nessie, you clearly refuse to admit you were wrong.

which is an area big enough in which to bury c850,000 corpses

^that is very clearly saying the burial space was '56 Olympic swimming pools' worth of space and thus easily accommodated '850,000 bodies'.

Now, 'oh, I was just saying the space as a whole was that large, not the grave space'.

You misrepresented the reality of the situation and you continue to wiggle.

I don't see any point in going further with this divergence. Let's go ahead and move forward with the thread.

You made a mistake, thinking I meant one grave, the size of 56 pools. Even you were not sure if I was saying that and so you asked, and I clarified, I meant a number of mass graves in an area the size of 56 pools.

In 1945, the Poles did not have the time, weather or equipment to try and identify the individual burial sites, hence the conclusion there were no mass graves to be found. They may have erroneously thought that the whole area was mixed earth and cremains. In 2011, C S-C, with modern equipment and a better budget, was able to determine there are individual ground disturbances, within the area.

[Stubble]

Then you should have said 18 Olympic swimming pools Nessie, because your 56 number is volume, not area.

You weren't talking about area, you were talking about volume, hence you said that the space would accommodate 850,000 bodies.

Regardless, there was also a tile found near a steam delousing chamber, out by the kitchen.

Anybody find the well head, or na?

For posterity;

(Twice the population of liverpool are said to have been murdered, buried, dug up, put on bbq grilles and cremated then their ashes put, somewhere, on this spot. My question is, where...)

[Nessie]

Then you should have said 18 Olympic swimming pools Nessie, because your 56 number is volume, not area.

You weren't talking about area, you were talking about volume, hence you said that the space would accommodate 850,000 bodies.

I was talking about both, since we are referring to both the area the mass graves were located at and the volume of that space.

I have proved it is huge and could easily accommodate the main mass graves. Add that to the Lazarette area and there is space to bury c850,000 corpses.

Regardless, there was also a tile found near a steam delousing chamber, out by the kitchen.

Where witnesses stated the gas chamber was located, the buried remains of a building was found by geophysics and excavations. Tiles, concrete and bricks found, match witness descriptions of the gas chambers.

Anybody find the well head, or na?

Possibly, there are unidentified structures located during the geophysical survey.

For posterity;

(Twice the population of liverpool are said to have been murdered, buried, dug up, put on bbq grilles and cremated then their ashes put, somewhere, on this spot. My question is, where...)

Inside the camp, in the area identified by witnesses, and confirmed by geophysics.