Majdanek this and that

[Booze]

Majdanek Museum posted a very nice 1942 camp plan sketch on twitter. It depicts water lines stretching across the camp, with a recurring object along the water lines using a circle and cross symbol. One of them is between B44 and B45. Probably something to do with the water, then. Since there's so many I would expect at least one of them to have survived to today.
https://x.com/MajdanekMuseum/status/1725030940672745688

It's be nice to have the locations of the alleged gas chambers marked on that camp plan, just to get a better concept of the history of the gas chamber claims

[Fred Ziffel]

Looks like it from this video 4 months ago
Not still there, always was there since the 1940s

[Booze]

Looks like it from this video 4 months ago
Not still there, always was there since the 1940s

Thanks for posting that!

It appears that when looking up into the shafts in the ceiling they dead end in the attic.
I could be wrong there.
But that's what I based my mistaken assumption on (the assumption that the chimneys no longer exist)
Credit due to the museum for preserving them.
Now it seems necessary to first verify that that structure in fact resembles a zyklon chimney before raising any questions (although when zooming in it very much does look like it is)

[Fred Ziffel]

does not matter, the room is no long a claimed GC by the museum for reasons already discussed

[Booze]

does not matter, the room is no long a claimed GC by the museum for reasons already discussed

If that structure on the roof is verified to be indistinguishable from a Zyklon chimney...
Then to my thinking, for whatever that's worth, it's a significant issue.
We have questions that are unanswered.

Does the museum have solid evidence that this same chimney(s) existed before liberation?

Why is this structure on the roof?
We haven't to my knowledge seen any other cases where this type of structure is used to ventilate a delousing chamber.
But at the same time it's a perfect match for a zyklon chimney.

[Booze]

does not matter, the room is no long a claimed GC by the museum for reasons already discussed

Fred, wouldn't the same logic apply to the path of the prisoner delousing procedure?
The museum has already conceded there were no gas chambers in the shower facilities.

Does that make the point moot?
I don't know about you, for me it doesn't.

[Wetzelrad]

Ok if incomplete, tell me how and I will reassess and perhaps make changes, [...]

You could actually cut out that sentence ("However, this is based on the assumption...") without harming the paragraph around it.

[...] should I also go into the reasons B41 was not a GC?

No, that seems unnecessary. You just can't beat the museum itself saying it is "disproved".

If that structure on the roof is verified to be indistinguishable from a Zyklon chimney...
Then to my thinking, for whatever that's worth, it's a significant issue.

I agree. The more clear information we have about these chimneys, the easier it is to argue against supposed Zyklon insertion chimneys and holes in every camp. The trouble is we're just spinning our wheels with this until we see better photos or documents.

[Booze]

I agree. The more clear information we have about these chimneys, the easier it is to argue against supposed Zyklon insertion chimneys and holes in every camp. The trouble is we're just spinning our wheels with this until we see better photos or documents.

We do have two photos.
One appearing in 1944 in a major newspaper, which importantly establishes a date.
We lack a positive identification of the building and possibly the building itself, etc.

[Fred Ziffel]

if it does not, then do the research, get together your arguments and present here for peer review.

[Wetzelrad]

Some photo analysis for you. This image shows the bunker gas chambers from standing between the two disinfection barracks. As with your other photos, there is no chimney visible between the bunker and the canopy, at least not on the side that is unobscured, which is chamber A/III.

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It's interesting to see the barbed wire fence here. This fence would not prevent anyone from seeing gas chamber operations. It would however work to prevent anyone from wandering too close to it during airing out.

At one point Höss sent out a memo warning everyone in camp Auschwitz to keep "at least 15 metres" from buildings being aired out.
https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... tz/201.php

This fence was not 15 meters from the bunker, but it did create a reasonable margin, especially if the back door was the side that was opened to air out.

This next photo may seem strange, but isn't this the back side of the canopy? The guard tower is in the correct spot.

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Likewise for this photo. I will trust your judgement on whether it is Barrack 41 or not. I'm not sure anything useful can be gleaned from these photos. I just found it remarkable that a pre-liberation photo of the gas chambers was not noted as such.

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[Fred Ziffel]

I have these photos, but yours are sharper and clearer. I put them into my collection.

So what are we looking at here?

first photo
that is "A" Chamber and Cell 14. We must remember that "A" Chamber never had ceiling holes so no chimneys. That piece of wood at an angle gets in the way of possible chimney for B1. I sure wish the Soviets climbed up there and took photos of this roof if it was indeed a gas chamber. No known photo of the top of that roof. Why is that if the rooms below were gas chambers and they wanted to sell that narrative to the world???!!!! We would have photos from every angle if that building was indeed a gas chamber for humans.

Third photo (Nice!)
that is the guard tower on the left at entrance to the camp. The building with the chimney is B41. That chimney is for the boiler room to provide hot water for male inmates.

Also notice how many men pushing each dirt transport wagons on wheels. I am still constructing a post in relation to that at a later date.
At one time the Majdanek State Museum used this photo to claim the window in the B41 L room (Room with blue stains) was not there when the Germans occupied the camp.

End

[Fred Ziffel]

This posting is more comical than educational, Hope Archie allows

When I was a bad boy, my parents made me do the same thing
This is the once claimed gas chamber inside B41. Remember what Rabbi Bull Shitter said in a past posting.... "Look at the walls!!"

anyone want to guess on the purpose of this?

[Wahrheitssucher]

This is the once-claimed gas chamber inside B41…



Anyone want to guess on the purpose of this?

The purpose is two-fold: 1. to teach their children to distrust and resent non-jews so to rely only on other jews; and 2. to never forgive (and therefore to hate) the whole world because they must believe the whole world’s non-jewish populations allowed something to happen here, viz. the quasi-religious, pseudo-historical belief in the genocide of jews by mass-gassing in ‘death camps’.

The caption says:
מחנה ההשמדה מיידנק (המסע בפולין -ניסן תשע"ח /מרץ 2018 היום השלישי,נזכור ולא נסלח!)

Which means:
Majdanek extermination camp. (Journey in Poland — March 2018, Day 3: “We will remember and not forgive!”)

[Fred Ziffel]

Thanks for your input.
it is just off the wall (pun intended) to me since this room was definitely not a gas chamber for humans.
Again thanks

[Booze]

if it does not, then do the research, get together your arguments and present here for peer review.

Fred if you see any of this as confrontational, I can only say I won't get dragged into anything like that.
We don't do science here, or on my part I objectively say I don't, peer review is a misplaced term.
I forward my take on the evidence at hand and the various claims made by the industry for the purpose of inviting other views.
I also come here to fast track my knowledge on a topic of interest to me.
Along those lines I raise questions and bounce my interpretations off the various other people who have an interest.

If you take some sort of offense to my view on the presence of those zyklon chimneys in Majdanek, Poland, I'd be at a loss to understand why.
I try to keep those views subject to change within rational limits.