How do you know what the Krema walls looked like?

[Nessie]

I constantly read claims that the Krema walls are, were not stained Prussian blue, but how does anyone know that?

Only Krema I is intact, but it was heavily modified in 1944, to be used as an air raid shelter. It was clearly painted and had plaster repairs, since it was converted back to show the Leichenkeller.



The Majdanek delousing chamber/gas chamber, has large areas of wall with no staining.



How does anyone actually know that Krema I did not look similar, in 1943? Does anyone even know how long staining takes to appear?
Only a small part of Krema II can be accessed, and has no staining;



But, that cannot rule out other parts had staining. When the other Kremas are ruins, it again cannot be ruled out that they never showed any staining at all. It may have been faint, as it takes time to appear, but who knows, when the building now looks like this;



For all any of you lot know, there were signs of the walls of the Krema gas chambers turning blue.

[Wetzelrad]

Lol. The entire reason for this controversy, for all the attacks on Leuchter and Rudolf, is because the Holocaust authorities have been unable to find blue stains in the crematoria. If they had blue stains they would show them.

[HansHill]

The bricks are still there, genius



What even is this argument? Fred Leucther stole all the blue ones?

[Nessie]

Lol. The entire reason for this controversy, for all the attacks on Leuchter and Rudolf, is because the Holocaust authorities have been unable to find blue stains in the crematoria. If they had blue stains they would show them.

But, considering how little there is to see, is it so odd that they cannot show blue stains?

[Nessie]

The bricks are still there, genius



What even is this argument? Fred Leucther stole all the blue ones?

The staining would form inside first, as seen at Majdanek. You do not know how long, or how much exposure it takes to get the staining to show all the way through the walls, to the outside. The demolition of Kremas II to V and the bunker/farm houses, means that you cannot say for certain, that none showed any staining.

[Wetzelrad]

But, considering how little there is to see, is it so odd that they cannot show blue stains?

There is much to see. It is alleged that Zyklon B was used to kill people in at least two dozen different locations. Even if we just focus on your five, one is largely in tact, two are in tact enough that the Auschwitz Museum was able to send people in to see and take photos and samples, and two may still have or have had debris worth investigating. No blue stains have been found.

Now obviously the Auschwitz Museum authorities, who have a highly vested interest in defending their narrative, have full and exclusive access to search their grounds for evidence of Prussian Blue formation, as do the authorities for what remains of other camps. Yet not a single location has been found to have blue stains, excepting those which are agreed upon to have been used to disinfest clothing.

Personally I think it's good that you are applying critical thinking like this. If you can spur the museum authorities to go down and investigate further, I am all in favor. But it's absurd to see you use this speculation in defense of an institutional narrative that has always used a totally different line of defense. The exclusive response from Holocaust defenders for the last 37 years has not been to tell everyone that there are secret blue stains still to be uncovered, or to pursue the finding of those stains, but instead to convince everyone that the lack of stains does not matter. As Richard Green wrote:

The fact that there is obvious blue-staining in the delousing chambers and not in the homicidal chambers of AB is not in dispute here.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... stry/blue/

But maybe you're right and literally everyone else is wrong?

[Nessie]

But, considering how little there is to see, is it so odd that they cannot show blue stains?

There is much to see. It is alleged that Zyklon B was used to kill people in at least two dozen different locations. Even if we just focus on your five, one is largely in tact, two are in tact enough that the Auschwitz Museum was able to send people in to see and take photos and samples, and two may still have or have had debris worth investigating. No blue stains have been found.

Now obviously the Auschwitz Museum authorities, who have a highly vested interest in defending their narrative, have full and exclusive access to search their grounds for evidence of Prussian Blue formation, as do the authorities for what remains of other camps. Yet not a single location has been found to have blue stains, excepting those which are agreed upon to have been used to disinfest clothing.

Krema IV shows no sign of Prussian blue staining, in this simple search. How does that prove its walls never showed any sign of staining?

Personally I think it's good that you are applying critical thinking like this. If you can spur the museum authorities to go down and investigate further, I am all in favor. But it's absurd to see you use this speculation in defense of an institutional narrative that has always used a totally different line of defense.

My point is that you are speculating that there was never any sign of Prussian blue forming in any wall of any gas chamber.

The exclusive response from Holocaust defenders for the last 37 years has not been to tell everyone that there are secret blue stains still to be uncovered, or to pursue the finding of those stains, but instead to convince everyone that the lack of stains does not matter. As Richard Green wrote:

The fact that there is obvious blue-staining in the delousing chambers and not in the homicidal chambers of AB is not in dispute here.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... stry/blue/

But maybe you're right and literally everyone else is wrong?

Green and you are correct, there is, now, no sign of obvious blue-staining. You assume that means there never was.

[HansHill]

[Nessie]

You are proving my point. You do not know what happened to the rubble from the demolished Kremas IV and V, or the bunker farm houses. You then post an image suggesting that if the rubble was searched, blue stained bricks would be found, proving that those buildings were stained from the gassings!

[DavidM]

You are proving my point. You do not know what happened to the rubble from the demolished Kremas IV and V, or the bunker farm houses. You then post an image suggesting that if the rubble was searched, blue stained bricks would be found, proving that those buildings were stained from the gassings!

Hello Nessie-
I have entered Morgue 1 in Krema II years ago when Birkenau was not so guarded. It was pretty much
in the condition as shown by Pressac. https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0354.shtml
and
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0353.shtml

The Bitumen/felt/concrete coating on the roof had lost its integrity and water had leaked through and created
small stalactites of what looked like calcium compounds. However I did not see any blue stain.

[HansHill]

Yes but Fred Leuchter stole all the blue bricks. We have photographic evidence (see above)

[Stubble]

He did take a brick from one of the farmhouse (bunker 2 I think) foundations. Maybe he took the other ones too, I mean, there is a picture after all.

[Nessie]

You are proving my point. You do not know what happened to the rubble from the demolished Kremas IV and V, or the bunker farm houses. You then post an image suggesting that if the rubble was searched, blue stained bricks would be found, proving that those buildings were stained from the gassings!

Hello Nessie-
I have entered Morgue 1 in Krema II years ago when Birkenau was not so guarded. It was pretty much
in the condition as shown by Pressac. https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0354.shtml
and
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0353.shtml

The Bitumen/felt/concrete coating on the roof had lost its integrity and water had leaked through and created
small stalactites of what looked like calcium compounds. However I did not see any blue stain.

You saw that the walls have clearly had work done to them, with paint and plaster. How do you know that the plaster, in 1942, was not starting to show any signs of blue staining? The Majdanek delousing chamber wall had it in patches. The paint could be covering what had started to appear.

[Nessie]

Yes but Fred Leuchter stole all the blue bricks. We have photographic evidence (see above)

When you are reduced to stupid comments, I know I have an argument you cannot counter. Blue staining will appear gradually, starting in the plasterwork and then working its way into the bricks. The reduced exposure of the gassings, compared to delousings, means that there could well have been some limited, blue staining, that we cannot see any more, because of what the Nazis did to the buildings.

[Nazgul]

Blue staining will appear gradually, starting in the plasterwork and then working its way into the bricks.

There is no iron in plaster so Prussian Blue cannot form from HCN on plaster. Bricks have iron the quantity depending on the brick. There are other factors such as moisture which determine the formation of P blue. Plasterwork would prevent any formation of prussian blue unless it was cracked or some parts removed to expose the bricks.