What Actually DID Happen at Treblinka?

[Nessie]

This is a lie, and you are a liar. You have not shown Keen, or anybody else for that matter, the remains of 800,000 bodies at Treblinka, and neither have you showed him or anybody else the grave space capacity for 800,000 corpses.

You are a liar, and your claims remain unsubstantiated.

The archaeological surveys prove you wrong. It is merely your opinion they contained the corpses of those who died from typhus. You offer no evidence to support that claim.

Reminder that Nessie thinks that the photos below are proof of 900,000 murders.



Given that Nessie's judgment is clearly detached from reality, his opinions on archaeology can be safely discounted.

Reminder that Archie constantly misrepresents my actual position. Those photos are not proof of 900,000 murders. They are a part of the evidence, from multiple corroborating sources, that prove mass murder. How many were killed, comes from witness estimations and transport documentation, since the Nazis cremated the majority of the corpses, preventing body counts.

[Callafangers]

You produce a series of alternate hypothesis and declare job done. You are wrong. You need to produce a chronologically evidence history of the camp;

- evidence pertaining to its origins, why it was set up, the department responsible, what documents and witnesses said
- when it opened, how long it ran for and when it closed
- when it took prisoners, how many it took, where they came from and what those prisoners said happened to them
- evidence about the staff and what they said about their work at the camp
- evidence of when it took prisoners with typhus, what happened to them and how many there were
- evidence of the border measures in operation and how they developed during the time the camp was open. Evidence an operational border in 1942-3, where the camp was, that also affected others, such as local Poles. Evidence the people who arrived at the camp, leaving and where they went to.

There is evidence of property theft and sorting, but you use eyewitnesses such as Bomba, you claim is a liar and you cannot evidence what happened to the people after everything including their hair, had been stolen from them.

You talk about the tradition of writing history, but you fail to write the history of the camp.

This is some goofy stuff, Nessie.

Your camp won the world and had infinite access to every archive and record, constructing trial after trial with coerced witnesses and fabricated claims. This is the only reason you can come up with a 'chronology of events' and, to no one's surprise, the verifiable evidence works firmly against you -- you can't find an extermination order, a gas chamber or gas van blueprint, a clear wartime admission of gassed Jews, nor a single mass grave in the same galaxy as your estimates.

You're forced to assume the key players in 'investigating the Holocaust' and 'preserving the memory', etc., were generally honest (as Jews and communists are), but the reality is shown to be the opposite.

Your position is so obviously delusional that it will not uphold itself; there is no path forward where this becomes the case. Anyone reading these threads will plainly see that you're forced to posture yourself a certain way rather than engaging sincerely and directly with the evidence that challenges you. You reiterate and restate the same slogans, like a politician, rather than showing good faith in your arguments.

[HansHill]

Reminder that Nessie thinks that the photos below are proof of 900,000 murders.

Nessie believes in the 900,000 death toll figure? Interesting. Seems I was being too charitable letting him away with defending "just" 800,000. I'll be sure to use this larger, stupider and even less realistic number when ragdolling him in future

[Nessie]

You produce a series of alternate hypothesis and declare job done. You are wrong. You need to produce a chronologically evidence history of the camp;

- evidence pertaining to its origins, why it was set up, the department responsible, what documents and witnesses said
- when it opened, how long it ran for and when it closed
- when it took prisoners, how many it took, where they came from and what those prisoners said happened to them
- evidence about the staff and what they said about their work at the camp
- evidence of when it took prisoners with typhus, what happened to them and how many there were
- evidence of the border measures in operation and how they developed during the time the camp was open. Evidence an operational border in 1942-3, where the camp was, that also affected others, such as local Poles. Evidence the people who arrived at the camp, leaving and where they went to.

There is evidence of property theft and sorting, but you use eyewitnesses such as Bomba, you claim is a liar and you cannot evidence what happened to the people after everything including their hair, had been stolen from them.

You talk about the tradition of writing history, but you fail to write the history of the camp.

This is some goofy stuff, Nessie.

Pointing out that you fail to do the most basic task of any historian or criminal investigator, is hardly "goofy"!

Your camp won the world and had infinite access to every archive and record, constructing trial after trial with coerced witnesses and fabricated claims. This is the only reason you can come up with a 'chronology of events' and, to no one's surprise, the verifiable evidence works firmly against you -- you can't find an extermination order, a gas chamber or gas van blueprint, a clear wartime admission of gassed Jews, nor a single mass grave in the same galaxy as your estimates.

You're forced to assume the key players in 'investigating the Holocaust' and 'preserving the memory', etc., were generally honest (as Jews and communists are), but the reality is shown to be the opposite.

There is no overarching extermination order. There is AR, its link to T4 and the circumstantial evidence of its operation to empty ghettos and take transports of Jews from all over Europe, stealing their property and those people then vanish from the documentary trail, leaving zero evidence they were still alive.

The gas chambers have been traced, or their ruins, as the Nazis destroyed as much evidence as they could. There are no gas van blueprints, but there are a series of documents recording their use. There are plenty of eyewitnesses, for which there is no evidence of coercion. There is a ton of archaeological evidence proving mass graves.

Your position is so obviously delusional that it will not uphold itself; there is no path forward where this becomes the case. Anyone reading these threads will plainly see that you're forced to posture yourself a certain way rather than engaging sincerely and directly with the evidence that challenges you. You reiterate and restate the same slogans, like a politician, rather than showing good faith in your arguments.

The delusional one, is you, as deny the existence of and lie and misrepresent the evidence.

There is no evidence that challenges me. It all chronologically, logically and evidentially fits, to produce a history of TII and the other AR camps.

[Nessie]

Reminder that Nessie thinks that the photos below are proof of 900,000 murders.

Nessie believes in the 900,000 death toll figure? Interesting. Seems I was being too charitable letting him away with defending "just" 800,000. I'll be sure to use this larger, stupider and even less realistic number when ragdolling him in future

I believe the death toll is in the range of 800-900,000.

How about you evidence how many died at TII?

[pilgrimofdark]

My claim is in relation to the witnesses who worked at TII. List of witnesses to TII here;

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372

Nessie, I apologize. When you posted this link with no attribution to "Das Prussian," I assumed it was your own independent work. I see I was incorrect and that is my mistake.

Instead, you plagiarized a list of inaccurate source references and spammed a portion of it at me here.

I'm going to stop derailing this thread on Treblinka.

I will take up your plagiarism in the appropriate forum.

[Nessie]

My claim is in relation to the witnesses who worked at TII. List of witnesses to TII here;

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372

Nessie, I apologize. When you posted this link with no attribution to "Das Prussian," I assumed it was your own independent work. I see I was incorrect and that is my mistake.

Instead, you plagiarized a list of inaccurate source references and spammed a portion of it at me here.

I'm going to stop derailing this thread on Treblinka.

I will take up your plagiarism in the appropriate forum.

The very sentence in the link "A list complied by Das Prussian, who wrote the introduction...". Learn what plagiarism is, before you accuse me of it!

Discussing the people who worked at TII, is not a derail. I have been on forums about denial for many years. I have NEVER seen any so-called revisionist, who accepts the evidence of any person on Das Prussian's list, for TII, as being truthful, when it comes to describing gassings, the gas chambers, mass graves or mass cremations.

Witness evidence is the best narrative evidence. Without it, so-called revisionists will never be able to construct a chronological narrative of events at the camp. They will never be able to prove what they variously think happened there.