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Mysticism, Hubris, and the 'Holocaust'

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Almost everyone who would stumble across this forum is likely aware of the notoriety of "six million" with regard to the 'Holocaust' narrative. It's discussed here:

The First Holocaust: The Surprising Origin of the Six-Million Figure
https://holocausthandbooks.com/video/th ... holocaust/

Why not "Four Million" or "Seven Million"? It might have to do with what's regarded as an unusual grammatical discrepancy from the Torah: a 'missing vav'.

Here's a short explanation (AI summary):
The view in Judaism that Jews would "return to Israel minus six [million]" comes from a gematria-based drasha (homiletical teaching) from the Zohar:
  • The Source: In Leviticus 25:10 (Jubilee Year), the word tashuvu ("you shall return") is spelled תשבו — missing a vav (which would make it תשובו).
  • The Interpretation:
    • The Zohar states this hints to the year of return from exile.
    • Gematria: תשבו = 708 (tav=400, shin=300, bet=2, vav=6). Adding the implied millennium (5) → 5708 (Hebrew calendar) → 1948 CE (State of Israel).
    • The missing vav = 6 → "return minus 6 million" (the Holocaust victims).
  • The Claim: The Torah prophesied both the year of return (1948/5708) and the tragic cost (6 million Jews) centuries before the fact.
References:
https://www.chaimbentorah.com/2024/09/h ... ll-return/
https://web.archive.org/web/20170425202 ... shoah.html

What all of this leans into suggesting is that the propagation of the "six million" figure from the beginning of the 20th century may have been an effort to influence or inspire Jews toward a certain action (namely, Zionism; i.e. emigrating to Palestine). The question of how/why this would be expected to motivate Jews into Palestine [en masse] still remains: just how important are these kinds of mystical interpretations of Torah scripture in Judaism?

The following video may help shed light on that question:



It covers (from the description):
What Kabbalah actually is, where it came from, and how old its roots really are.
The core concepts — Ein Sof, the Sefirot, the Tree of Life, and what they actually mean.
The hidden and esoteric dimensions of Kabbalah that mainstream religious institutions don't discuss.
How Kabbalistic ideas filtered into Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Freemasonry, and modern occultism.
What Kabbalah's influence on politics and the middle east mean for Iran
Why this tradition matters for anyone trying to understand the deeper currents running beneath Western civilization.
All in all, with Kabbalistic thought being widespread in Judaism by the early 20th century (and "gematria" or Torah-focused numerology considered a legitimate prophecy tool), there was much reason to expect Jews globally (especially in a vulnerable post-war condition) would pick up on the significance of "minus six" as an ideological rationale to "return" to Israel -- the priority-number-one of Zionism and global Jewry at that time.
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That video is by far the most condensed telling of kabbalah I think I've ever heard. Good find. There's some room for some of the stuff in there to be refined, and some of it is so stripped down it can be argued about, but, ultimately, that guy did a great job trying to explain it.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 1:21 pm That video is by far the most condensed telling of kabbalah I think I've ever heard. Good find. There's some room for some of the stuff in there to be refined, and some of it is so stripped down it can be argued about, but, ultimately, that guy did a great job trying to explain it.
Strong point is conveying the message without over the top text and an almost neutral voice. Will make it more powerful as more folks will now listen to it.

I had Grok summarize the video:
Kabbalah as Hidden Source Code: It is the esoteric "operating system" or energy blueprint of reality, received orally/embodied rather than just read, far deeper than surface Judaism or mainstream religion admits.
Cosmic Shattering (Shevirah): Ein Sof's attempt to create via the Sefirot/Tree of Life overloads and explodes, creating the broken world, divine sparks in souls, and chaos. This reinterprets Genesis creation as catastrophic rather than orderly.
Racial/Spiritual Dualism: Strong distinction between pure (mostly Israelite divine souls) vs. impure (mostly Gentile "gunk"/husks linked to demonic Sitra Achra/chaos). Demons arise from unholy unions (e.g., Lilith and Samael).
Tikkun Olam as Jewish Mission: Jews/rabbis actively repair the shattered divine energy and world through rituals, speech acts, and commandments. This gives them control over "God's loose energy."
Power of Words and Incantation: Language is magical/creative; prayers, names of God, and repetitions harness energy. Examples include golem creation and exorcism-like practices.
Dual Nature of God: Not strictly monotheistic in the simple sense—Ein Sof is infinite energy behind a "mascot"-like manifest God, with masculine/feminine (Shekhinah) aspects. Practices like shuckling engage this energetically.
Messianic Vision: The Messiah finalizes repair; in the perfected age, Israelites rule, with (purified) Gentiles in subservient roles or removed.
Historical and Cultural Influence: Kabbalah shaped Catholic mysticism, Sufism, Freemasonry, 19th-century occult revival, and modern celebrity/esoteric trends. It underlies "hidden" currents in Western civilization and has political implications (e.g., Chabad, Middle East conflicts, symbolic actions against perceived enemies like Iran).
Secrecy and "Hiding in Plain Sight": Mainstream institutions downplay the esoteric/darker dimensions, but the ideas are documented and increasingly discussed in political/cultural spheres.
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Grock is really parsing its words there and giving as forgiving a summary as possible while also using different words and meaning behind 'shuckling'.

The video is more clear.
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Stubble wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2026 12:14 am Grock is really parsing its words there and giving as forgiving a summary as possible while also using different words and meaning behind 'shuckling'.

The video is more clear.
Indeed. Partially this may be to settings in this regard, where the LLM is directed to treat subjects in certain way. On the other hand, pretty much of published scholarship will describe Kabbalah euphemistically, hence plenty of source material can be used by GROK in this regard.

What helps them there is that people have quite some misconceptions about what Judaism is (or isn't). The run-off-the-mill Joe average thinks that Judaism is 'the religion of the Old Testament' and your church-goer may think "Jews are the chosen people that haven't accepted Jesus, yet, while being stuck in the OT". Now they take cues from the OT, when it suits them. They study a Hebrew text similar to the texts Christians use for the OT (Masoretic texts). But it isn't really authoritative, what is authoritative is the word of the rabbis that studied the Talmud, which is a large collection of text discussing a number of subjects relating to law, community, mysticism, theology, philosophy, etc. They teach their synagogue/Kahal then rule following and also how to get around rules, if it suits them. Despising none-Jews or less than pious Jews is also taught. Learning and cleverness are emphasized. Jews that have shown some shrewdness in that field may then be induced into Kabbalah. Essentially this is Mysticism similar to the pagan mystery Religions. It also formed the basis for much of European witchcraft, occultism, magic and spiritism, mystery religion etc. And their are components that then link to human sacrifice, blood magic and what is called 'Satanism' at time. Despite that connection, you will rarely hear any of those discernment ministries warning against Judaism. They will warn you against New Age, Satanists, Occultists, Masons, Illuminati etc. But they won't tell you it's origins or links to Judaism.
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The Holocaust story itself comes from Jewish mythology. And the Judenrampe thing comes from the Jewish religious custom that forbids accessing an altar of burnt offering via staircase steps. The Hebrew word for holocaust (AKA burnt offering) is korban olah.
Holocaust (sacrifice)

A holocaust is a religious animal sacrifice that is completely consumed by fire, also known as a burnt offering. The word derives from the ancient Greek holokaustos, the form of sacrifice in which the victim was reduced to ash, as distinguished from an animal sacrifice that resulted in a communal meal.

The same term was used in the Koine Greek Septuagint to translate the Hebrew olah.[2]

Etymology and usage

The word holocaust derives from the Middle English holocaust, which derived from the Anglo-Norman holocauste and Late Latin holocaustum. Its original root was the neuter form of the ancient Greek holokaustos (ὁλόκαυστος), from ὅλος (hólos, “whole”) + καυστός (kaustós, "burnt")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)
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Burnt offering (Judaism)

A burnt offering in Judaism (Hebrew: קָרְבַּן עוֹלָה, qorban ʿōlā) is a form of sacrifice first described in the Hebrew Bible. As a tribute to God, a burnt offering was entirely burnt on the altar. This is in contrast to other forms of sacrifice (entitled zevach or zevach shelamim), which was partly burnt and most of it eaten in communion at a sacrificial meal.[1]

During the First Temple and Second Temple periods, offerings took place twice daily offered on the altar as a burnt animal in the temple in Jerusalem that was completely consumed by fire.[2] The skin of the animal, however, was not burnt but given to the priests respective of their priestly division. These skins are listed as one of the twenty-four priestly gifts in Tosefta Hallah (or Tosefta Challah).[3][4]

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The Altar of Incense, Altar of Burnt-Offering, and Laver from the Biblical Tabernacle; illustration from the 1890 Holman Bible

Etymology

The Hebrew noun olah (עֹלָה) occurs 289 times in the Masoretic Text of the Hebrew Bible. It means "that which goes up [in smoke]".[5] It is formed from the active participle of the verb alah (עָלָה), "to cause to ascend." It was sometimes also called kalil, an associated word found in Leviticus, meaning "entire".[5][6]

Its traditional name in English is "holocaust",[5] and the word olah has traditionally been translated as "burnt offering."[6][7][8] The term was translated as holocauston in the Septuagint. Today, some English Bible translations render the word as holocaust, and others translate it as "burnt offering". For example, Exodus 18:12a is translated in the New American Bible as Then Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses, brought a holocaust and other sacrifices to God, while it is translated in the New International Version as Then Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, brought a burnt offering and other sacrifices to God.[9]

In classical rabbinical literature, there are several different etymologies given for the term olah,[10] though all agree that it literally translates as (that which) goes up. Some classical rabbis argued that the term referred to ascent of the mind after making the sacrifice, implying that the sacrifice was for atonement for evil thoughts, while others argued that it was a sacrifice to the highest, because it is entirely intended for God.[10] Modern scholars, however, argue that it simply refers to the burning process, as the meat goes up in flames.[10]

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Initially, the burnt-offering was required to be offered on an "altar of earth".[15] After the tabernacle was built, it was specified that the tabernacle's altar be used.[16]

The animals were brought to the north side of the altar, and ritually slaughtered.[20] The animal's blood was carefully collected by a priest and sprinkled on the outside corners of the altar.[21] Unless the animal was a bird, its carcass was flayed, with the skin kept by the priests.

The flesh of the animal was divided according to detailed instructions given by the Talmud (Tamid 31), and would then be placed on the wood on the altar (which was constantly on fire due to the large number of sacrifices carried out daily), and slowly burnt. After the flesh (including any horns and goats' beards) had been reduced to ashes, usually the following morning, the ashes were removed by a Kohen, as refuse, and taken to a ritually clean location outside the Temple.[10][22]

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What is ‘Korban Olah’ and how it is connected to the Holocaust?

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The Hebrew root O-L-H (or A-L-H) {ע-ל-ה} means ‘to go up’ or ‘to ascend’ and some of you probably know this because of its appearance in the Hebrew term ‘Oleh Chadash’ {עולה חדש} which means ‘a person who immigrated to Israel’ – since the land of Israel is so holy a person ‘is ascending’ to Israel and not simply ‘immigrating’ to Israel.

‘Korban Olah’ {קרבן עולה} which literally means ‘a sacrifice/offering that goes up’ received its name because of the biblical description of the way the sacrifice ‘went up in flames’ (as a whole) and that is the reason in English it is common to translate that type of sacrifice as a ‘burnt offering’.

In the Old English translations of the Bible this Hebrew term was translated as ‘holocaust’ and was actually derived from the Greek translation of the Bible (‘Septuagint’). In the Greek, the word for this sacrifice consists of two parts: ‘olos’ (whole) and ‘kaustos’ (completely burnt) and simply describes the way this specific kind of sacrifice ‘went up in flames as a whole’ in accordance to the description in the original Hebrew.

https://www.hebrewversity.com/korban-ol ... holocaust/
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It is a quasi-religious belief centred upon: a.) killing (sacrificing) then b. burning c.) a specific number of 6 million victims.

~ 6 million jews
~ were ALL murdered (i.e. none died of natural causes in camps)
~ then burnt and reduced to ash (which then disappeared)
~ perpetrated by demonic, icons-of-evil people
~ in a ‘holocaust’ = judaic ‘burnt offering’ sacrifice.

…The ‘holocaust’ mythology of ‘six million’ jews + meekly being led to slaughter like sacrificial animals has had many initial claims that have quietly been removed…
…But the belief of ‘six million’jewish victims being ‘burnt’ remains constant.

That ‘burnt offering’ jewish fixation is why crematoria ovens, flames and open-air pyres feature so prominently in the ‘holocaust’ mythological imagery and received such emphasis in post-war, ‘survivor’, lie-witness/eye-witness testimony!

The burning in ovens and open-air pyres is a key component of the mythology.

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Quasi-religious paintings by Polish-French Jew and ‘holocaust survivor’ David Olère, of what has became the holocaust-temple of Auschwitz

See more here:
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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2026 7:08 am .
It is a quasi-religious belief centred upon: a.) killing (sacrificing) then b. burning c.) a specific number of 6 million victims.

~ 6 million jews
~ were ALL murdered (i.e. none died of natural causes in camps)
~ then burnt and reduced to ash (which then disappeared)
~ perpetrated by demonic, icons-of-evil people
~ in a ‘holocaust’ = judaic ‘burnt offering’ sacrifice.

…The ‘holocaust’ mythology of ‘six million’ jews + meekly being led to slaughter like sacrificial animals has had many initial claims that have quietly been removed…
…But the belief of ‘six million’jewish victims being ‘burnt’ remains constant.

That ‘burnt offering’ jewish fixation is why crematoria ovens, flames and open-air pyres feature so prominently in the ‘holocaust’ mythological imagery and received such emphasis in post-war, ‘survivor’, lie-witness/eye-witness testimony!

The burning in ovens and open-air pyres is a key component of the mythology.
True. And the death sentence by hanging of 11 Nazi leaders at the Nuremberg show trial was patently a re-enactment of the biblical hanging of Haman and his 10 sons as told in the Book of Esther, which is celebrated by Jews every Purim festival. The Holocaust was mostly a transposition of the Jewish mindset & religious beliefs into atrocity propaganda.

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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2026 7:08 am That ‘burnt offering’ jewish fixation is why crematoria ovens, flames and open-air pyres feature so prominently in the ‘holocaust’ mythological imagery and received such emphasis in post-war, ‘survivor’, lie-witness/eye-witness testimony!

The burning in ovens and open-air pyres is a key component of the mythology.

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Moreover Jews are religiously opposed to human cremation because they believe that the bones of their dead will come back to life when the Mashiach/Moshiach comes.

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