Blobel's Flamethrower and the Hoess Chelmno visit

[Stubble]

I don't even see the rub here. Do you seriously expect everyone to know each hyperspecific piece of minutia you dredge up on the fly?

Just tell me who's lying, which documents (if any) were forged etc, did the meeting actually happen, etc

Is it that you don't know, or you just don't care?

Blobel and Hoess are obviously unreliable witnesses. The document regarding delivery of a flamethrower is not specific and isn't addressed to Blobel.

Personally I don't doubt there was a visit and demonstration. I however don't believe it was 'as advertised'. I may find evidence later that causes me to retract. I'm on the fence about Blobel running a burning operation in general because of the problems with the timeline and his impossible scenarios.

Do I care? Deeply. That's why I research this topic to begin with.

[bombsaway]

I don't even see the rub here. Do you seriously expect everyone to know each hyperspecific piece of minutia you dredge up on the fly?

Just tell me who's lying, which documents (if any) were forged etc, did the meeting actually happen, etc

Is it that you don't know, or you just don't care?

Blobel and Hoess are obviously unreliable witnesses. The document regarding delivery of a flamethrower is not specific and isn't addressed to Blobel.

yeah it is for him

OMW de OMX 1100 7 Tle
To SS Cavalry Brigade
From the PI devices assigned by the head of the Army Armaments Office and...on 11.7.42 are to be provided to SS Sonderkommando BLOBEL.
1 set...parts for small flamethrower...
1 flamethrower refill wagon...
3 safety suits for flamethrower...
3 safety gloves...
3 safety masks...
....
3 nitrogen bottles 10 liters...
1 hydrogen bottle 40 liters...
...
2 barrels flamethrower oil 200 liters...
...
by order
FICK, SS Obersturmbannführer

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You can take this as a challenge to do the most basic task of history: "analyzing and interpreting evidence to construct narratives about what happened and explain why it happened"

In this case you can answer to how Blobel's flamethrower ended up in Hoess's testimony, with the date in British radio intercept matching the timeline specified

obviously a lot of this is going to be speculative so you should speculate away. orthodox historians have speculated about things like the final solution decision date, and specific details about that decision

[Stubble]

Just tell me who's lying, which documents (if any) were forged etc, did the meeting actually happen, etc

Is it that you don't know, or you just don't care?

Blobel and Hoess are obviously unreliable witnesses. The document regarding delivery of a flamethrower is not specific and isn't addressed to Blobel.

yeah it is for him

OMW de OMX 1100 7 Tle
To SS Cavalry Brigade
From the PI devices assigned by the head of the Army Armaments Office and...on 11.7.42 are to be provided to SS Sonderkommando BLOBEL.
1 set...parts for small flamethrower...
1 flamethrower refill wagon...
3 safety suits for flamethrower...
3 safety gloves...
3 safety masks...
....
3 nitrogen bottles 10 liters...
1 hydrogen bottle 40 liters...
...
2 barrels flamethrower oil 200 liters...
...
by order
FICK, SS Obersturmbannführer

--

You can take this as a challenge to do the most basic task of history: "analyzing and interpreting evidence to construct narratives about what happened and explain why it happened"

In this case you can answer to how Blobel's flamethrower ended up in Hoess's testimony, with the date in British radio intercept matching the timeline specified

obviously a lot of this is going to be speculative so you should speculate away. orthodox historians have speculated about things like the final solution decision date, and specific details about that decision

The part in bold is the 'easy out' here. The radio intercept would have been known to intelligence and would have been run through interrogators.

Another possibility is that Blobel received and used a flame thrower in a demonstration to Hoess. This begs the question why it wasn't mentioned in earlier protocols or testimony. It's a detail that he 'remembered' later, after, you know, being persuaded to.

Another possibility is that the whole thing is mundane and trivial, and that Blobel passed the flame thrower down the chain to whomever asked him to request it for them. Later the radio intercept was shown to Hoess...

Another possibility is that everything is on the up and up, and, Blobel cremated a body in front of Hoess using a flame thrower and 400 liters of fuel oil. That's not exactly the right tool for the job, but, then again, if we are taking him at his word, the body disposal at Babi Yar was inefficient, ineffective and incomplete, so, I guess you do you buddy.

I'll get around to digging in to this later. I need to track down the truly to the intercept and try to determine if delivery was made, and disposition of the unit. Build a 'timetable' of it as it where.

[Wahrheitssucher]

The Modus operandi of revisionism is just hyperfocus on critique at the expense of explanation, narrative, etc.
[blah, blah, blah] …imagine Blobel saw flamethrowers as… [blah, blah, blah] …experiments.

What you are denying here is the FACT that ALL histories — EVERY genuine historiography — includes and welcomes ‘revision’.
Yet here you are rubbishing that when it comes to the holyH holocaust ‘history’.
HolyH believers won’t permit ANY ‘revision’ or even healthy skepticism of its core claims. Which proves their belief is NOT A GENUINE HISTORY.

Plus, here you are deceiving when you claim revisionists of the holyH ‘mass-gassing’ mythology do not provide “…explanation, narrative, etc.”. That is either a lie or a self-deception.

Your issue is merely that you don’t like the explanations and alternative narratives being given by revisionists. And believers don’t like them precisely because they so devastatingly bust the false parts of the cultish, holyH belief-system.

As here with the ridiculous ‘confession’ that Blobel experimented with a flamethrower to erase all trace of hundreds of thousands of corpses.

Only a deeply deluded and cultish true-believer would insist upon the credibility of this nonsensical detail. Herr Stubble explained why with his analogy of witches on flying broomsticks.

Think of the well-documented Salem Witch trials and finally understand.
Or… remain in stubborn, wilful denial.