Propaganda free TV shows and movies

[Alonso]

Over the last ten years or so it has become increasingly difficult for me to enjoy TV shows and movies due to the pervasive propaganda I find in most of them. An example would be the TV show The good place. It's a relatively recent show with a premise I find fascinating. Unfortunately, the show gets increasingly tangled in political propaganda, specially anti-white racism. Which is specially jarring in a show in which one of the main topics is ethics.

I'm struggling to find decent quality TV shows and movies that don't include this or similar propaganda. Since this kind of propaganda is embedded in almost all modern media, it seems very difficult to find a website that discusses the problem honestly. I'm aware that this is far removed from the topic of this forum, but, since this is the only website I know in which patrons are aware of the problems with this type of propaganda, I thought I would try to get some guidance here. Can you point me to websites in which this kind of propaganda is discussed and (hopefully) I can find good recommendations of propaganda free TV shows and movies? Also, if you have specific recommendations, feel free to share.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Over the last ten years or so it has become increasingly difficult for me to enjoy TV shows and movies due to the pervasive propaganda I find in most of them…

I'm struggling to find decent quality TV shows and movies that don't include this or similar propaganda. Since this kind of propaganda is embedded in almost all modern media, it seems very difficult to find a website that discusses the problem honestly. I'm aware that this is far removed from the topic of this forum,…

I think its not so far removed. We all have been subjected to a campaign of deliberate mind-manipulation through film and TV since the 1940s onwards.
The holyH mythology is a prime example of a distorted history which has been perpetuated in the minds of millions as an irrefutable ‘reality’, primarily by TV programmes and cinema film. A distortion that TV and film repeatedly suggest only ‘bad’ people question or analyse, and only ‘evil’ people conclude is fundamentally false.

As you here mentioned, the holyH indoctrination programme is just one example of deliberate mind-manipulation.
We are today being subjected to many other forms of mind-control.
TV and film increasingly present profanity, promiscuity, drug dependance, homosexuality, transgenderism, miscegenation, etc., etc., as ‘cool’ and ‘normal’.

Portrayal’s of History and historic persons are routinely distorted for entertainment and this is considered acceptable.
E.g. I recently watched Ridley Scott’s portrayal of Napoleon Bonaparte. He perverted the history in quite ludicrous and completely unnecessary ways.
He unnecessarily twice showed Napoleon and Josephine having sex completely clothed.
He ridiculously showed Napoleon twice leading a cavalry charge and engaged in face-to-face sword fighting at the Battles of Toulon and Waterloo. That is just idiotically ignorant and wrong!
He even invented a false scene of Napoleon and the Duke of Wellington having a friendly and polite chat on a British ship in Plymouth in 1815!?!?
There were numerous other completely ludicrous and unnecessary perversions of history in his film, such as portraying the Battle of Austerlitz as being upon a huge frozen lake into which many Russians drowned.
Why? Why lie like that? Er… maybe because he wanted to dramatically and artistically show film of men, horses and blood in completely clean, transparent water from below for cinematic effect.

When Ridley Scott was critically questioned about these numerous and completely unnecessary perversions of history he replied “get a life”.
The implication being that in his view if you don’t accept TV and film lying to you as a normal and totally acceptable thing then you are somehow living an abnormal life.

This I think is a sign of how far from reality and truthful living current society has drifted.

Can you point me to websites in which this kind of propaganda is discussed…

What is there to discuss?
You yourself have now seen what is going on and can see through the manipulation and deceits. So you are able to judge.
And you can now tell other people who haven’t yet seen what is going on. Though that is often an unwelcome service.

…and (hopefully) I can find good recommendations of propaganda free TV shows and movies? Also, if you have specific recommendations, feel free to share.

In my opinion there are currently very few propaganda free TV shows and movies.
Very few indeed. So maybe it is best to stop watching the crap and instead read for relaxation and entertainment.

E.g. I can think of only one film that deals realistically with the corruption of government and the judiciary. And that film portrayal of a REAL CASE very nearly was compromised because the people who received the commision to make the film are themselves brainwashed. Consequently they felt it necessary to spice the film up by inventing a fake love interest and other distortions. The person who the film was about refused permission to distort her story with such perversions.
Unfortunately the portrayal still has some distortions that pander to mind-manipulation. E.g. an investigative journalist in the USA is portrayed as a crank and ‘conspiracy theorist’, thereby enforcing the view that exposing governmental conspiracies is not always a good thing and any journalist brave enough to try has sanity issues.
The film also deceitfully attempts to rescue the depleted credibility of a newspaper involved in the case (The Guardian) that has for long been an organ of zionist misinformation.

The film is called ‘OFFICIAL SECRETS’.

https://www.counterfire.org/article/off ... with-iraq/

[Stubble]

Anecdotal.

When I was in high-school, other people at the table at lunch would talk about how cool they thought girl on girl was. I told them their sons would be saying the same shit about boy on boy, and that it was a slippery slope. By the time I was in college, I was hearing chicks talk about guy on guy. By the time I graduated, some dudes. I failed to properly estimate the speed of the degenerate decline.

This came about via normalization via televised propaganda. Desensitization. Normalization. Acceptance.

Then, they decided that anal lovers could get married. The whole point of the institution is that families build the future. Homos, have no future because they fuck themselves out of existence. They are a genetic dead end.

That they can adopt is absolutely abhorrent.

[HansHill]

This is slightly broader than OPs question but still relevant for a discussion around, and strikes at the heart of, Jewish propaganda.



This is a documentary called The Century Of The Self and it explores the Jewish propagandist Edward Bernays who's work and philosophy can be understood as being the bedrock for the current anti-White, anti-natalist, pro-degeneracy pop culture landscape of the present day.

[Alonso]

Sorry for being so late to my own party.

We all have been subjected to a campaign of deliberate mind-manipulation through film and TV since the 1940s onwards.
[...]
We are today being subjected to many other forms of mind-control.

You seem to be focused on modern propaganda. Which is just natural, of course, it's what we currently experience. However, it doesn't look like anything substantial has changed in how propaganda works over the las few thousand years. The Roman Empire routinely presented their imperialist wars to the public as "Just Wars" fought to defend from external aggression. Which is exactly the same thing International Jewry does now, two thousand years later.

When Ridley Scott was critically questioned about these numerous and completely unnecessary perversions of history he replied “get a life”.
The implication being that in his view if you don’t accept TV and film lying to you as a normal and totally acceptable thing then you are somehow living an abnormal life.

And I'd say he was right. Accepting constant deception without ever realizing it, whether it is from modern media or from the messaging of the Roman Empire, is indeed "normal", i.e., what most people do routinely. Questioning that deceptiveness has always been unusual. Whether we like it or not, that makes us the weird ones.

Can you point me to websites in which this kind of propaganda is discussed…

What is there to discuss?
You yourself have now seen what is going on and can see through the manipulation and deceits. So you are able to judge.
And you can now tell other people who haven’t yet seen what is going on. Though that is often an unwelcome service.

I don't have much interest in telling others. I've tried it in the past, and it was indeed an unwelcome service. Most people just want to keep deceiving themselves. That's a fact I have begrudgingly managed to accept. I'm no longer interested in "enlightening" anybody. I just want to discuss the deceptions with those who have the ability and, most importantly, the willingness, to see them. But there is plenty to discuss. After trying really hard, I have only managed to find very rare cases of propaganda free media (or maybe just media that included propaganda I couldn't quite see). But finding those hidden gems is so difficult and takes so much time (or trial and error). It would be great if there was some reference resource that told you in advance what kinds of propaganda (if any) you should expect in any particular piece of media. But, AFAIK, no such resource exists.

maybe it is best to stop watching the crap and instead read for relaxation and entertainment

Yeah, reading is nice, and it seems easier to find propaganda free (or at least propaganda light) books than films and TV shows. But there's a time for everything. For me, reading doesn't work as a substitute of other types of media, just as a complement.

The film is called ‘OFFICIAL SECRETS’.

Thank you for the recommendation, but it's not quite what I'm looking for. I obsess over politics too much already. Some examples of things I've watched recently, categorized by how much propaganda they had (or I detected):

• Full of propaganda: La que se avecina (Spanish show), The good place

• Some propaganda: Arcane, Arrested development, Fresh Meat, Peep show

• No propaganda I could detect: Attack on Titan, Fallout, Severance, Alien: Romulus, A separation (by Asghar Farhadi)

[Alonso]

I failed to properly estimate the speed of the degenerate decline.

That's the part of modern political messaging I've never had a problem with and I'm not sure if I've ever managed to understand. Actually, I can't even see any significant propaganda in it. Don't get me wrong, I think I understand the political purpose. Promoting the acceptance of non-heterosexual sexuality is one of many ways of undermining traditional Western values. But, unlike, say, holocaustianity, it doesn't seem to actively hurt anybody (barring extreme cases, like changing the sex of children). It doesn't seem deceptive either. If my male friend has anal sex with his male friend, that's their business. They're not hurting me or deceiving me in any way.

[Wahrheitssucher]

We all have been subjected to a campaign of deliberate mind-manipulation through film and TV since the 1940s onwards.
[...]
We are today being subjected to many other forms of mind-control.

You seem to be focused on modern propaganda. Which is just natural, of course, it's what we currently experience. However, it doesn't look like anything substantial has changed in how propaganda works over the last few thousand years.

From that comment I guess you are a young person, mid to late twenties (possibly mid-thirties).

I guess that because how propaganda works has “changed” immensely since the invention of film and TV.

[Alonso]

You seem to be focused on modern propaganda. Which is just natural, of course, it's what we currently experience. However, it doesn't look like anything substantial has changed in how propaganda works over the last few thousand years

From that comment I guess you are a young person, mid to late twenties (possibly mid-thirties).

I guess that because how propaganda works has “changed” immensely since the invention of film and TV.

Actually, I'm 48. Still, your guess is not completely misguided. The last time there was a TV set in my place was 2010. I have missed much of how propaganda has evolved over the last sixteen years or so. So I guess we can say that, in terms of first-hand experience of how TV propaganda has changed, I'm just about 32, more or less within the range of your guess.

At any rate, I'm not sure if that changes much. An anecdote might be illustrative. In 2020, when the Covid hoax came out, my sister was outraged. She's older than me and has a degree in classical philology, so she knows much more than I do about history, especially ancient history. She's the person who explained to me how propaganda worked in the Roman Empire. Still, she said something like "this is unprecedented, never before have we experienced these levels of mass deception". My answer: "this is the same we've always had. The technology and some of the tricks might be new, but the propaganda has essentially remained the same". Eventually she had to agree that, even if the collar is different, it's still the same old dog.

The documentary HansHill linked above also seems illustrative in this sense. It explains how Edward Bernays (i.e., International Jewry) revolutionized propaganda during the 1920s and 30s. But Bernays wasn't hired to change what propaganda does. He was hired to do the same thing propaganda has always done, just in a much more effective way.

[Wahrheitssucher]

You seem to be focused on modern propaganda. Which is just natural, of course, it's what we currently experience. However, it doesn't look like anything substantial has changed in how propaganda works over the last few thousand years

From that comment I guess you are a young person, mid to late twenties (possibly mid-thirties).

I guess that because how propaganda works has “changed” immensely since the invention of film and TV.

Actually, I'm 48.
…The last time there was a TV set in my place was 2010.
I have missed much of how propaganda has evolved over the last sixteen years or so.
…My sister… explained to me how propaganda worked in the Roman Empire.
Still, she said something like "this is unprecedented, never before have we experienced these levels of mass deception".
My answer: "this is the same we've always had.
The technology and some of the tricks might be new, but the propaganda has essentially remained the same".
Eventually she had to agree that, even if the collar is different, it's still the same old dog.

The documentary …explains how Edward Bernays (i.e., International Jewry) revolutionized propaganda during the 1920s and 30s. But Bernays wasn't hired to change what propaganda does. He was hired to do the same thing propaganda has always done, just in a much more effective way.

We appear to basically be in agreement on the main issues. No-one is arguing that misinforming the masses by elites is a recent phenomena. So no need to keep making that argument. But no need to downplay: i.) the immense changes in HOW that is now done; ii.) the huge increase of that being done daily; iii.) the ubiquity and reach of it now that everyone carries around a pocket-sized, propaganda-receiving device (smartphone).

In the past the masses were mainly illiterate and poor, with little access to suppressed info, so easily controlled.
The situation since the last century has changed drastically — the education-levels, literacy, standards-of-living and individual independence of the masses is vastly different since the mid 20th century to what went on for thousands of years before.

The technology for mass-manipulation also has very drastically changed also.
Your sister’s statement I am in complete agreement with. I don’t think it is either wise or in humanity’s best interest to down-play the way in which we are bombarded on a daily level with extremely sophisticated and subliminal mind-manipulation techniques.
How propaganda works is so vastly different than anything that has occurred before that it is a completely different animal now.
It feels to me like you are arguing a chimp and someone like Shakespeare, Einstein or the Buddha belong to the exact same species. They do not, though they do share much of the same DNA and possibly an ancient evolutionary ancestor.

Just to illustrate how deep this manipulation of the masses goes, you’ve already mentioned Sigmund Freud’s relative Edward Bernays.

Here is something on an apparent fundamental deception of Sigmund Freud himself:

[Alonso]

the huge increase of that being done daily

Earlier in this thread I deliberately avoided mentioning religion, out of fear of offending someone, but we seem to have reached a point where avoiding the topic is no longer possible. My only significant experience of religion substantially and directly affecting daily life is my grandmother, who was a very devout Catholic. Almost every aspect of her world view was dominated by religion. Her political views were deliciously simple. For example, she scornfully dismissed leftist ideas with sentences like "leftists are those who don't go to church". Every moment of her life (and therefore, most of mine) was affected by religion in one way or another. Which is remarkably similar to how modern propaganda seems to affect every moment of our current lives.

My point is that there doesn't seem to be a significant difference between how much modern propaganda affects our daily lives and how much religious ideas affected the daily lives of people over the past few millennia (and still affect the daily lives of millions in many parts of the world). However, religion is a delicate subject and, again, I'm worried this discussion might offend someone. So I won't elaborate further until I read some replies.

[Stubble]

I failed to properly estimate the speed of the degenerate decline.

That's the part of modern political messaging I've never had a problem with and I'm not sure if I've ever managed to understand. Actually, I can't even see any significant propaganda in it. Don't get me wrong, I think I understand the political purpose. Promoting the acceptance of non-heterosexual sexuality is one of many ways of undermining traditional Western values. But, unlike, say, holocaustianity, it doesn't seem to actively hurt anybody (barring extreme cases, like changing the sex of children). It doesn't seem deceptive either. If my male friend has anal sex with his male friend, that's their business. They're not hurting me or deceiving me in any way.

Destruction of social fabric and an end to procreation are parts of the aim.

Destroy the family and collapse the population...

The propaganda angle is that it has permeated our culture. While I can agree that what people choose to do in their own bedroom is no business of mine, it becomes my business when it leaves their bedroom and spills into my home through the airwaves, or into my streets as they chant that they are coming for my children.

Homosexuality, just like the trans nonsense, is to a degree a social phenomenon. I'm not arguing that some percentage of the population isn't deviant, that's certainly true, however, there is a not insignificant portion of the population that is along for the ride. This shows up most brightly with the female cross section. They are extremely susceptible to group influence on behavior. Some reading in this vein is 'Irreversible Damage'. It covers the trans phenomenon specifically, but, much of the research regarding social behavior carries over. Think about how many kids have elected to remove their genitals because, they were going through puberty and confused. Now, consider how many chose to lay down with a partner of the same sex because they saw it on TV, it is taboo, other kids are doing it, and, it is rebellious against their parents.

At least with homosexuality there is still an option of turning that around. Once someone has a hysterectomy or is castrated, they're a dead end. They have no way to carry on their line.

Pornography causes brain damage, and normalization of homosexuality leads to population reduction and social degeneracy. Homosexuals also harm children at a disproportionate rate.

It's, bad, and it is being promoted.

[Wahrheitssucher]

the huge increase of that being done daily

…my grandmother, was a very devout Catholic. Almost every aspect of her world view was dominated by religion…
…Every moment of her life (and therefore, most of mine) was affected by religion in one way or another. Which is remarkably similar to how modern propaganda seems to affect every moment of our current lives.

No, Alonso, it isn’t remotely similar.

My point is that there doesn't seem to be a significant difference between how much modern propaganda affects our daily lives and how much religious ideas affected the daily lives of people over the past few millennia…

There is one huge difference.
The vast majority of people who over the last three thousand years have promoted religious views, BELIEVED THOSE VIEWS THEMSELVES! They were not deliberately spreading what they regarded as misinformation in order to control and manipulate the masses.

What we have had since the invention of screens and films is elites DELIBERATELY spreading what they know is misinformation that THEY THEMSELVES DO NOT BELIEVE!!

Can you really not see the difference?

E.g. Murdering a popular President in broad daylight, in front of adoring crowds, then convincing dimwit, dupes for the next six decades that questioning the official whitewash makes one a dastardly ’conspiracy theorist’ is vastly different than preaching a belief in any sort of philosophically simplistic ‘sky-daddy’.

E.g. Mass-murdering approximately 100,000 people in 1,000 days in illegally occupied Lebanon and Palestine, with weapons supplied by 51 countries, then creating a main-stream-media campaign that convinces naive ignoramuses that protesting against that is hateful ‘anti-semitism’, is nothing like the same as promoting a personally-held belief in a ’divine’ judgement after death.

A collective of athiest, abstract-tribalists hailing from Europe but operating internationally, just murdered so many people it is like killing about 100 people every single day for 1,000 days, and yet they have been ALLOWED to do that with complete impunity.
They’ve mass-murdered for so long WITH COMPLETE IMPUNITY!!!

They simultaneously severely maimed-for-life many, many times more people, even deliberately targeting children!!!

And yet almost ALL the governments of the world supported, funded and armed that, DECEITFULLY promoting what they KNEW to be the lie that it was LEGAL ’self-defence’.

There are many, many, many more examples of such calculated mass-deception. You yourself gave the example of the Covid hysteria.

Are you really comparing and equating that with any particular promotion of a passionately held belief in deity and some form of after-life continuation?!?

[Alonso]

Destruction of social fabric

I can't see how a society that accepts homosexuality destroys social fabric. There have been plenty of societies that accept homosexuality, including Ancient Greece -the basis of Western culture-, and it doesn't look like there is any problem of lack of social fabric in those societies.

an end to procreation
Destroy the family and collapse the population...

This seems weak. The fertility rate (children per woman) in my country one hundred years ago was around 4. Today it's 1.1. The collapse of native population is very real. But it doesn't look like acceptance of homosexuality has much to do with it. This collapse is caused by the same elites that promote homosexuality acceptance. But that doesn't mean that that acceptance is the cause.

it becomes my business when it leaves their bedroom and spills into my home through the airwaves

This seems marginal. The media will always portray lifestyles different than yours, often implying that those lifestyles are cool. Whether you want to follow those lifestyles is up to you, and is only your business if you make it so. For example, wearing expensive jewellery is often portrayed as cool. Yet I've never worn expensive jewellery and don't intend to do so. Whether I see it in the media or not, it's still not my business.

there is a not insignificant portion of the population that is along for the ride. This shows up most brightly with the female cross section. They are extremely susceptible to group influence on behavior. Some reading in this vein is 'Irreversible Damage'. It covers the trans phenomenon specifically, but, much of the research regarding social behavior carries over. Think about how many kids have elected to remove their genitals because, they were going through puberty and confused.

Yes, that's tragic. But there's a big difference between convincing a child that they should be mutilated, and letting adults have sex with whoever they want.

Now, consider how many chose to lay down with a partner of the same sex because they saw it on TV, it is taboo, other kids are doing it, and, it is rebellious against their parents.

This, on the other hand, doesn't seem too worrying. Yes, children and teenagers do stupid things. They always have and they always will. Nothing tragic about that as long as there is no permanent damage.

Pornography causes brain damage

I guess you mean that addiction to pornography causes severe mental health dysfunction. Which is true, but it's also true of any other addiction.

Homosexuals also harm children at a disproportionate rate.

I'm not sure if this is accurate. What is probably accurate is that homosexuals living in societies that proscribe homosexuality tend to be creative about how to satisfy their sexual desires, and that sometimes leads to harming children. The obvious example would be priests sexually abusing children in their churches. But that doesn't look like an argument for rejecting homosexuality. If anything, it would be an argument for accepting it.

[Stubble]

You, do understand how acceptance and promotion are, different, do you not?

As not to derail your thread I will rebut the now 4 different pieces in different threads. I will link those threads back to this one for posterity.

You thread is literally about propaganda in television and movies. Queer propaganda is undeniably in there. That you choose not to see an issue with that propaganda is ultimately inconsequential.

[Alonso]

There is one huge difference.
The vast majority of people who over the last three thousand years have promoted religious views, BELIEVED THOSE VIEWS THEMSELVES!

That doesn't sound like a difference, it looks like yet another similarity. A friend of mine is a pharmacologist. When the Covid hoax came out, I was curious: she was one of many thousands of people spreading the hoax. Did she really believe what she said? Yes, she did. I carefully asked her about what she knew, and she essentially gave me a list of people who had repeated the hoax and what they said. I kept probing until I got to the essence: the evidence. Had she actually reviewed it? She hadn't, of course. Actually, she hadn't even checked if the evidence existed at all. She simply trusted what others said about it. She wasn't trying to deceive anybody. She just believed the lies she told. That doesn't mean that all those involved in the hoax believed the lies. There must be a few who knew. But it seems clear that the vast majority of those who spread the hoax believed it. Which seems to be how major hoaxes work, whether they are religious, holohoax, Covid, or anything else.

What we have had since the invention of screens and films is elites DELIBERATELY spreading what they know is misinformation that THEY THEMSELVES DO NOT BELIEVE!!

Can you really not see the difference?

Not really. What I see is yet another similarity. As you rightly said, those deliberately spreading what they know is misinformation are the elites, i.e., a minority. And, even within those elites, it seems unlikely that most are aware of the deception. Only a few need to know, and it's all but certain that only a few do. Which means that only a few among those deceivers know that they are deceiving. The rest, i.e, the vast majority of the deceivers, believe those deceptions, just like my pharmacologist friend.

Which, in turn, seems very similar to how religions work. Most religions include even more absurdities and physical impossibilities than the holohoax. Yes, most people spreading those absurdities and impossibilities genuinely believe them. But there must have been at least a few who were (or are) aware of the deception.

Mass-murdering approximately 100,000 people [...] with complete impunity.

As tragic as that is, it's not any worse than murdering millions in the name of religion. Which has happened repeatedly over the centuries, and, in most cases, also with complete impunity.

I've spent much of my life trying to disentangle and understand hoaxes and deceptions, big and small. Years ago I went as far as befriending a professional conman, so I could learn directly from the very source of the deception. He explained how it works. People believed his lies because HE BELIEVED HIS OWN LIES. He had trained himself to use his own cognitive dissonance to his advantage. He somehow managed to enter for a few minutes a mental state in which he believed the lies he was saying.

That seems to be the trick to successful deceptions. My conman pal worked solo, the person creating the lie and the person delivering it was the same, making the cognitive dissonance trick necessary. But when the hoax is spread by thousands or millions, no such trick is needed. You just need a few people deliberately creating the lie, and a few thousands or millions believing it and repeating it. Which, again, seems to work the same whether the lie is about Covid, the holohoax, or religion.