The case against gassing compared to shooting.

[Keen]

Yet you go on to spend your time responding to it and helping it with it's distractions and evasions.

???

Isn't it funny how there's always a "revisionist" who is willing to step in and play nesserto's game.

Sure, but sometimes playing along is a useful exercise. This forum exists partly as a public proof of the correctness of our ideas. For that to work, it is necessary to be the more reasonable party. Characters like Nessie help with that by constantly being wrong.

I totally agree. But the problem is revisionists complain about it constantly lying without ever holding its feet to the fire and demanding that it accept its burden of proof and defend all those lies.

And it's not just nesserto. It's all its fellow HC cult members as well. What good does putting nesserto in quarantine if all revisionists do is come over here and play the same games with it as they did in the other section?

Revisionists, for the most part, do not want to hold the lying POS to its burden of proof because they don't want to be held to theirs either.

For real change to occur, there needs to be a section here where real debate can take place. And for that to happen, people have to use their real identities and actually be held to their burden of proof. But we all saw how scared "revisionists" are of implementing such a thing, even though it could easily be a separate section.

[Keen]

How accurate a claim is, is most reliably established by evidence.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

[Stubble]

How accurate a claim is, is most reliably established by evidence.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

It really is this simple.

[Keen]

...If I am wrong...

You piss ignorant retard, are you legitimately going to post that you have never been wrong, like, actually, factually incorrect and pivot to 'the mainstream is right' to cover your ass as you say you have never been demonstrably wrong?

You are, actually going to fucking do that?

You get ragdolled fucking constantly for being wrong. As an example, '56 Olympic Swimming Pools'....

If you're tired of it's lies, then you shouldn't play it's games. Hold it's feet to the fire on one issue / set of lies, like what is being done here:

viewtopic.php?p=24672#p24672

and here:

viewtopic.php?p=24673#p24673

[Keen]

Can you please stop lying about this?

LOL!

Yes, simply saying "please" will surely put an end to it's lying.

Why didn't I think of that before?

[Keen]

Stop being deceitful.

You forgot to say the magic word "please."

[Keen]

In the rare instances where we actually get to see a photo, it's not very impressive.

And of course, one needs a pair of magic glasses in order to see a "whole human bone" or even "crushed bones" in that photo.

[Keen]

You do not like the evidence you have been presented, so you ignore it and demand more.

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.


Foundational scientific question: Can archaeologists prove, with 100% certainty, if millions of pounds of bones and tens of millions of teeth actually exist in a precisely known location?

Foundational legal question: Is it reasonable to doubt that the remains of 2.145 million Jews are actually buried in the 100 specifically and precisely identified locations in question?

Foundational legal principles that easily expose this transparent archaeological hoax: BURDEN OF PRODUCTION & BURDEN OF PERSUASION & BURDEN OF PROOF.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

Explaining a place which contained mass graves...

"Contained"?



There it is again invoking his "magically disappearing jew / mass grave" theory.

[Keen]

Every single person who worked inside TII describes mass graves.

A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 21 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

Note: The 6 original fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” of Treblinka II that were alleged by “authoritative eyewitnesses” and allegedly - “PROVEN” - to exist in the early show trials - MODEL - MAP - (but never proven to exist), are also included in the above reward offer. (A photo of one of these 6 fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” can be seen - HERE.)

Here are 13 of the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II - as alleged by the charlatan Caroline Sturdy Colls (which she labels as "possible grave sites"):



And here are 12 of the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II - as alleged by the charlatan Caroline Sturdy Colls (which she labels as "probable burial / cremation pits"):



And here are the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II - as alleged by the charlatan Caroline Sturdy Colls (which she labels in various ways):



And here is how Colls' numbers correspond to - THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE
( http://thisisaboutscience.com/ ) numbering system:

CSC G50 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/86

CSC G54 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/87

CSC G53 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/88

CSC G52 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/89

CSC G51 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/90

CSC F1 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/91

CSC G44 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/92

CSC G1 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/93

CSC G4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/94

CSC G38 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/95

CSC F16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/96

NOTE: This is a photo of fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" F16:

https://i.postimg.cc/vT4MG5d5/Treblinka-F16.jpg

CSC F9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/97

CSC G29 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/98

CSC G32 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #14/99

CSC G36 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/100

As well, there are the 6 additional fraudulently alleged "eyewitness" - "huge mass graves:"

The Wiernik model (Starting from upper left to right: *1A/*101, *2A/*102, *3A/*103, *4A/*104, *5A/*105, *6A/*106):

https://web.archive.org/web/20110210205 ... age001.jpg

And the Stangl trial map (Starting from upper left to right: *1B/*101, *2B/*102, *3B/*103, *4B/*104, *5B/*105, *6B/*106):

https://muzeumtreblinka.eu/wp-content/u ... apa-22.jpg

*NOTE: this is a photo of one of the 6 fraudulently alleged "eyewitness" - "huge mass graves:"

https://i.postimg.cc/65zjGzLY/Monumentmassgrave-TII.jpg

[Keen]

Why did you not post this image [of Sobibor], from where trees were planted over graves which have been uncovered, showing buried remains stretching into the distance?

Look at the mentally ill pathological liar try to steer the conversation away from Treblinka II.

[Nessie]

How accurate a claim is, is most reliably established by evidence.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

It really is this simple.

The physical evidence does exist, you chose to deny that, which is why you are a Holocaust denier, not a Holocaust revisionist. A Holocaust revisionist would produce evidence to prove the physical evidence is not there, such as geophysical surveys showing no disturbed ground, or eyewitnesses from the camp who say no mass graves were dug, or aerial photos showing the ground had never been dug into.

[HansHill]

Yet you go on to spend your time responding to it and helping it with it's distractions and evasions.

???

Isn't it funny how there's always a "revisionist" who is willing to step in and play nesserto's game.

Sure, but sometimes playing along is a useful exercise. This forum exists partly as a public proof of the correctness of our ideas. For that to work, it is necessary to be the more reasonable party. Characters like Nessie help with that by constantly being wrong.

I totally agree. But the problem is revisionists complain about it constantly lying without ever holding its feet to the fire and demanding that it accept its burden of proof and defend all those lies.

And it's not just nesserto. It's all its fellow HC cult members as well. What good does putting nesserto in quarantine if all revisionists do is come over here and play the same games with it as they did in the other section?

Revisionists, for the most part, do not want to hold the lying POS to its burden of proof because they don't want to be held to theirs either.

For real change to occur, there needs to be a section here where real debate can take place. And for that to happen, people have to use their real identities and actually be held to their burden of proof. But we all saw how scared "revisionists" are of implementing such a thing, even though it could easily be a separate section.

It's always someone's first day on Codoh. The chance of someone new seeing a Nessie post and wondering what the rebuttal is, is at least enough reason for Revisionists here to continue engaging, especially if it's something kinda niche that most normies don't think about or discuss on places like Twitter or Facebook. Sure it might be repetitive for you, but nobody cares what you think (no offense).

FWIW, Nessie will never accept the Holocaust is a myth. He's clearly motivated by some external set of influences. That's fine. I think of him as an interlocutor kinda like in a Platonic dialogue. His only "real" purpose is to allow Socrates get to the next point. He's an automatic response button. That's all. Him being an idiot doesn't really matter.

FWIW+1 - your "approach" to the NQ (Nessie Question) has been a disaster. He doesn't even respond to you, so I don't think anyone here is going to take your golden advice on "how to handle Nessie"

[Nessie]

Sure, but sometimes playing along is a useful exercise. This forum exists partly as a public proof of the correctness of our ideas. For that to work, it is necessary to be the more reasonable party. Characters like Nessie help with that by constantly being wrong.

I totally agree. But the problem is revisionists complain about it constantly lying without ever holding its feet to the fire and demanding that it accept its burden of proof and defend all those lies.

And it's not just nesserto. It's all its fellow HC cult members as well. What good does putting nesserto in quarantine if all revisionists do is come over here and play the same games with it as they did in the other section?

Revisionists, for the most part, do not want to hold the lying POS to its burden of proof because they don't want to be held to theirs either.

For real change to occur, there needs to be a section here where real debate can take place. And for that to happen, people have to use their real identities and actually be held to their burden of proof. But we all saw how scared "revisionists" are of implementing such a thing, even though it could easily be a separate section.

I have Keen on ignore, so I only see a post if quoted. He is lying that I do not accept the burden of proof. He has been shown the evidence that proves mass graves. His denial of and refusal to accept that evidence, does not mean therefore I have not met the burden of proof.

It's always someone's first day on Codoh. The chance of someone new seeing a Nessie post and wondering what the rebuttal is, is at least enough reason for Revisionists here to continue engaging, especially if it's something kinda niche that most normies don't think about or discuss on places like Twitter or Facebook. Sure it might be repetitive for you, but nobody cares what you think (no offense).

FWIW, Nessie will never accept the Holocaust is a myth.

I would if evidence from eyewitnesses, documents, geophysics etc was produced to prove it was a myth. I don't think revisionists know how to go about proving gassing inside the Kremas was a myth. It is done in the same way that allegations of mass gassing at Dachau were proved to be a myth. The SS staff denied gassings took place, no prisoner could be found who witnessed mass gassings and documents did not have mass transports arriving and those not selected for work disappearing. That is how evidence proves no mass gassing. The way revisionists go about proving no mass gassings is not like that. Instead of finding witnesses who state no gassings took place, they claim all the witnesses lied. Instead of tracing documents that record what happened to those not selected for work, that prove they were still alive, they do nothing.

To prove there are no mass graves at the AR camps, would again require witnesses who worked there to deny their existence and geophysics to prove undisturbed ground. Obviously, revisionists cannot find such evidence, hence they resort to logically flawed arguments and pseudohistory.

He's clearly motivated by some external set of influences. That's fine. I think of him as an interlocutor kinda like in a Platonic dialogue. His only "real" purpose is to allow Socrates get to the next point. He's an automatic response button. That's all. Him being an idiot doesn't really matter.

I am motivated by challenging the Holocaust denial hoax and the bad actors, liars and confused conspiracists, who distort history and fail to produce evidence based histories.

FWIW+1 - your "approach" to the NQ (Nessie Question) has been a disaster. He doesn't even respond to you, so I don't think anyone here is going to take your golden advice on "how to handle Nessie"

I refuse to debate him, because he is an abusive bully.

[Stubble]

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

It really is this simple.

The physical evidence does exist, you chose to deny that, which is why you are a Holocaust denier, not a Holocaust revisionist. A Holocaust revisionist would produce evidence to prove the physical evidence is not there, such as geophysical surveys showing no disturbed ground, or eyewitnesses from the camp who say no mass graves were dug, or aerial photos showing the ground had never been dug into.

Just because you pretend there is sufficient grave spaces does not make it so. The reality of the situation is that the 'evidence' such as it exists, does not support many of the claims made by the orthodox thesis. Bring the resolution down to for example Sobibor. You are now moving out in to the trees to say, see there is sufficient grave space where they did not dig (they did a cursoryexamination of the top layer of strata), even though there are no positive bore samples in that area from Kola.

We can look at Belzec as well. The 'monument' covers negative strike areas from the bore study, the positive strike are unironically where the monument is left open. The deception here is to pretend that a negative is a positive and say, 'see there is sufficient grave space, just look at the monument', when there is in fact, not.

This is a (pardon the pun) monumental failure on your part.

For the evidence to support the claim, that evidence, in some form, has to exist. Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. The claims made about the Bug River camps are simply unsustainable as they are unsupported. Even SanityCheck appears to have accepted that and he has made a pivot to 'they were killed in other places but they still died because my aggregate chart of missing persons says they are absent'.