Is the demonization of Hitler as we see even warranted at all?

[Stubble]

For those following at home, we have reached this part of the story again.

[...] when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand [...]

In the larger picture — on the world-stage — we also seem to be reaching that same part of the story.

Dude, that thread you took the quote from has been around the circle with confused jew at least 3 times. Sometimes, I too stand there thunderstruck...

/shrug

[HansHill]

Sometimes, I too stand there thunderstruck...
/shrug

Dr Dalton changing this line was my 9/11

[Stubble]

Sometimes, I too stand there thunderstruck...
/shrug

Dr Dalton changing this line was my 9/11

Agreed. He should have left that. It is iconic.

[Wahrheitssucher]

For those following at home, we have reached this part of the story again.

In the larger picture — on the world-stage — we also seem to be reaching that same part of the story.

Dude, that thread you took the quote from has been around the circle with confused jew at least 3 times. Sometimes, I too “stand there thunderstruck...”
/shrug

Adolf Hitler: “Ich stand manches Mal starr da”.

Literal translation: “I stood some times frozen (rigid) there”.

Dalton translation: “Sometimes I was simply dumbfounded”.

Mannheim translation: “Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck”.

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…I was often astonished at how easily and often they changed their opinions on the same questions — sometimes within a few days, and sometimes even within a few hours.
I found it difficult to understand how men who were reasonable as individuals suddenly lost this ability as soon as they acted as a mass. This phenomenon often tempted me to despair. I argued with them for hours, and when I succeeded in bringing them to what I considered a reasonable way of thinking, I celebrated my success. But the next day, I found that it was all in vain. It was disgusting to have to begin all over again. Like an eternal pendulum, they would swing back to their absurd opinions.

Success was almost always on my side. The great masses can be rescued, but only by sacrificing much time and patience. But a Jew can never be parted from his opinions.
It was simple enough, at that time, to try to show them the absurdity of their teaching. Within my small circle, I talked to them until my throat ached and my voice grew hoarse. I believed that I could finally convince them... But I only achieved the contrary result. It seemed that the more they understood the destructiveness of Social-Democratic doctrine and its consequences, the more firmly they clung to it.
The more I debated with them, the more familiar I became with their argumentative tactics.
At the outset they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents; but when they got so tied up that they couldn't find a way out, they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons. Should that fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they couldn't understand the counter arguments, and jumped away to another topic of discussion.
They stated truisms and platitudes; and if you accepted these, they applied them to other matters of an essentially different nature. If you pointed this out, they escaped again and avoided any precise statement.
Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on one of these apostles, one’s hand grasped only a jellylike slime — that slipped through the fingers, and then recombined into a solid mass a moment later.
But if you really struck a blow on one of these adversaries and, due to the audience present, he had to concede the point, a surprise was in store for you the following day. The Jew would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before. He would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. If you became indignant and reminded him of yesterday's defeat, he feigned astonishment, and couldn't remember a thing — except that on the day before, he was proven correct.

Sometimes I was simply dumbfounded.

I don't know what amazed me more: the agility of their speech or their art of lying.
[Dalton translation].

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Je mehr ich dann mit ihnen stritt, um so mehr lernte ich ihre Dialektik kennen. Erst rechneten sie mit der Dummheit ihres Gegners, um dann, wenn sich ein Ausweg nicht mehr fand, sich selber einfach dumm zu stellen. Nützte alles nichts, so verstanden sie nicht recht oder sprangen, gestellt, augenblicklich auf ein anderes Gebiet über, brachten nun Selbstverständlichkeiten, deren Annahme sie aber sofort wieder auf wesentlich andere Stoffe bezogen, um nun, wieder angefaßt, auszuweichen und nichts Genaues zu wissen. Wo immer man so einen Apostel angriff, umschloß die Hand qualligen Schleim; das quoll einem geteilt durch die Finger, um sich im nächsten Moment schon wieder zusammenzuschließen. Schlug man aber einen wirklich so vernichtend, daß er, von der Umgebung beobachtet, nicht mehr anders als zustimmen konnte, und glaubte man, so wenigstens einen Schritt vorwärtsgekommen zu sein, so war das Erstaunen am nächsten Tag groß. Der Jude wußte nun von gestern nicht mehr das geringste, erzählte seinen alten Unfug wieder weiter, als ob überhaupt nichts vorgefallen wäre, und tat, empört zur Rede gestellt, erstaunt, konnte sich an rein gar nichts erinnern, außer an die doch schon am Vortage bewiesene Richtigkeit seiner Behauptungen.
Ich stand manches Mal starr da.
Man wußte nicht, was man mehr bestaunen sollte, ihre Zungenfertigkeit oder ihre Kunst der Lüge.

[Wahrheitssucher]

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Q. With all the ‘factories-of-mass-rape’ (comfort women); beheadings by sword; prisoners used for bayonet practice; massacres like at Nanjing; cruel, sadistic treatment and starvation of Allied PoWs; etc., etc., why isn’t there any post-war demonisation of Japanese Emperor Hirohito as great as the demonisation of Adolf?
A: no jooze were badly treated!









Q. With all the mass-murder genocide of Ukranians; the Siberian slave-labour Gulags; the terrorising NKVD thought-police; the greatest crime against fem@les in known history (mass rape by Soviet soldiers in Germany in 1945), etc., etc., why isn’t Stalin demonised as much as Adolf.
A. His victims weren’t jooish.

Q. Why isn’t the demonisation of Mussolini as great as the demonisation of Adolf?
A: not named as part of the ‘poor-joo’, holyH, special-suffering mythology.

[Eye of Zyclone]

The demonization of Hitler is warranted because it is core to the New World Order agenda, that is, a stolen "Holy Land" (the HQ of Jewry's end-times borderless global plantation) and a wiped out White Man (the sine qua non of Jewry's promised world domination). Only too logical. No Hebraic cult without a devil after all...

[Wahrheitssucher]

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Q. With all the ‘factories-of-mass-rape’ (comfort women); beheadings by sword; prisoners used for bayonet practice; massacres like at Nanjing; cruel, sadistic treatment and starvation of Allied PoWs; etc., etc., why isn’t there any post-war demonisation of Japanese Emperor Hirohito as great as the demonisation of Adolf?
A: because no jooze were badly treated!

Q. With all the mass-murder genocide of Ukranians; the Siberian slave-labour Gulags; the terrorising NKVD thought-police; the greatest crime against fem@les in known history (mass rape by Soviet soldiers in Germany in 1945), etc., etc., why isn’t Stalin demonised as much as Adolf.
A. His victims weren’t jooish.

Q. Why isn’t the demonisation of Mussolini as great as the demonisation of Adolf?
A: not named as part of the ‘poor-joo’, holyH, special-suffering mythology.

I’ve just been made aware of an aspect of WW2 history that I was completely unaware of.
That fact alone (that I had never heard of this) I regard as further proof of the biased and deceitful pseudo-history we have all been brainwashed with our whole lives regarding WW2. In other words it demonstrates that current consensus WW2 history is both:
i.) a lie-by-omission ‘history’
plus
ii.) one built on calculatedly-emotive, atrocity-propaganda deceptions.

What I was informed of just now is the following information about a Japanese human experiment unit.

Unit 731 (Japanese: 731部隊, Nana-san-ichi Butai), officially known as the Manchu Detachment 731 and also referred to as the Kamo Detachment: 198  and the Ishii Unit, was a clandestine biological and chemical warfare research facility, operated by the Imperial Japanese Army between 1933 and 1945.

It was located in the Pingfang district of Harbin, in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now part of Northeast China), and maintained multiple branches across mainland China and Southeast Asia under the "Epidemic Prevention Department" umbrella.

During the Second Sino-Japanese War, the unit led the largest attacks in the history of biological warfare, killing approximately 200,000 people in cities and villages, through deliberate contamination of water supplies, food, and agricultural land.

The facility was led by General Shirō Ishii and received strong support from the Japanese military. An estimated 14,000 people were killed by human experimentation in the facility itself.

Its activities included infecting prisoners with deadly diseases, conducting vivisection, performing organ harvesting, testing hypobaric chambers, amputating limbs, and exposing victims to chemical agents and explosives.

After the war, twelve Unit 731 members were tried by the USSR in the 1949 Khabarovsk war crimes trials and sentenced to prison. However, many key figures, including Ishii, were granted immunity in a coverup by the United States in exchange for their research data.

The Truman administration concealed the unit's crimes and paid stipends to former personnel.
The obtained information was not of significant value, as the US biological weapons program had surpassed the capabilities of Unit 731…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

I was made aware of this unit’s research using human prisoners in an article on RT News.

Prisoners were infected with plague, anthrax, cholera, typhus, gonorrhea, and syphilis. They were also subjected to experiments to test their resistance to dehydration and frostbite. Essentially, the prisoners were subjected to conditions in which the Japanese army would operate in Southeast Asia and the Soviet Far East. These experiments simulated combat conditions more realistically than one could imagine.

For example, weapons such as grenades and bombs were tested on prisoners. To determine the optimal treatment for shrapnel wounds, prisoners were tied to posts and bombs and grenades were detonated at varying distances from them. Autopsies were performed on the dead, and those who survived were treated, but only to be killed in the next experiment. Flamethrowers were also tested on prisoners.

https://rurtnews.com/news/645093-inside ... h-factory/

CONCLUSION:
That we haven’t all been force-fed detailed information of the Unit 731’s cruel experiments leading to great suffering and death of thousands of human prisoners is proof the historical narrative we have been force-fed is politically motivated.

This supports the viewpoint from someone calling themselves ‘Apolitical’ that was recently shared by EofZ (above):

• If you don't believe in the holocaust, you can't argue Hitler was the most evil human to ever exist.
• If Hitler isn't the most evil human ever, there is no reason not to look into National Socialism as a plausible political ideology.
• If you look into National Socialism as a plausible ideology, you might find they had similar complaints to yours today.
• If you find similarities between their complaints and yours, you might find similarities in who is causing the problems.
• Which is why you have to believe in the holocaust as the underpinning of morality for our entire society

and

Why you can't have politicians who advocate nationalism and control of your own country, but instead must have elected officials who are subservient to a Globalist Agenda:
• Controlling your own country = nationalism.
• Nationalism = that’s like the Nazis.
• The Nazis = they did ‘the Holyco$t’.
• The Holyco$t = you can't question it or Jews will attack you, you will lose your job and/or go to jail.

[Eye of Zyclone]

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Q. why isn’t there any post-war demonisation of Japanese Emperor Hirohito as great as the demonisation of Adolf?
A: no jooze were badly treated!

Jooze were only said to be badly treated. Just a politically-motivated false narrative. Never was about Hitler or real events of WW2. Always was all about Israel. After the Palestinian resistance had compelled the British Government to proclaim the termination of the unworkable Zionist scheme (see the Great Palestinian Revolt of 1936–1939 and the White Paper of 1939), the Zionists had no other option than to turn their ordinary propaganda about the plight of six million jews (1896-1939) into extraordinary propaganda about the alleged massacre of six million jews (1939 - present day). No Holohoax scam, no state of Israel...

[Eye of Zyclone]

[Hektor]

Is his absolute demonization warranted even if we consider the Holocaust claims pinned against him by exterminationists? Of course, he would be extremely bad if they were truthful, but I'm curious as to what makes him especially bad as opposed to someone like Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Leopold II of Belgium or even contemporary figures like Obama and Bush according to these "historians"? Would it not cast doubt into the narrative if a good justification could not be found?

The same people that go into rage-mode, when they think of Hitler, will portray Pol Pot as a misunderstood social reformer.
And in return they will be very mad at you, if you do the same with Hitler.


The campaign against Hitler precedes World War Two or any time-frame they fitted the Holocaust Narrative into. The first charge was more about how he ended parliamentary democracy in Germany, banned political parties and locked up people who opposed him. That the political parties were a major factor of division and unrest in Germany at the time, they will conveniently ignore. Also that that opposition was highly militant, especially the Communists. The NSDAP wanted to rebuild Germany and solve the social and economic problems. Hence they removed any obstructing factors and in that they actually had the consent of the majority of people. Previous political appointments were removed from offices, or they left on their own accord. I think during the first month about 30.000 people left Germany. Those were commonly all kinds of leftists or liberals. Especially Communists of course. Jews as well, but usually if they belonged to those groups.

The number of people that were killed or died in concentration camps is probably somewhere in the hundreds prior to World War Two, when that figure naturally grew. One could compare that to the USSR were such figures were millions. In comparison the NS-government, while dictatorial, wasn't remotely as brutal as the Soviet Union, yet this got far more attention, even afterwards, when the USSR still existed while the NS-government was no longer.

Also, leftist intellectuals made it a rule that one ought not compare NS or Fascism with Communist Regimes. They declared this to be immoral. If one considers the scale of repression or killing, it's obvious why leftists (Who often still had open sympathies with Communism) did not want a comparison. The astonishing part is however how Conservatives and Classical Liberals did comply with those rather self-serving demands.

[Gonzalo]

Is his absolute demonization warranted even if we consider the Holocaust claims pinned against him by exterminationists?

Yes. Hitler was an utterly evil person and deserves everyone’s hatred and rejection. He does not deserve to be forgiven for his atrocities. However, I believe that history must be analyzed objectively and dispassionately, so demonizing someone—no matter how evil they may be—is not the right way to understand history. In that sense, I support Broszat’s notion of the “historicization” of National Socialism. Hitler was evil, and that must be taught so that it never happens again, but Hitler should not be turned into a comic-book villain.

Of course, he would be extremely bad if they were truthful

He did it. He did the things he's accused of.

but I'm curious as to what makes him especially bad as opposed to someone like Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Leopold II of Belgium or even contemporary figures like Obama and Bush according to these "historians"?

Several things, starting with the fact that none of the figures you mentioned—except for Pol Pot—is a perpetrator of genocide. Hitler killed an extremely large number of people in an extremely short period (1941–1945), in a systematic and industrialized manner, and he did so motivated by racial hatred and demonstrably false conspiracy theories. He is the only one to have done that in modern times. Only Genghis Khan and Tamerlane come close to Hitler.

Stalin was evil, but not a perpetrator of genocide. The Holodomor was not intentional. True Stalin's victims are estimated to number between 2 and 3 million. No more.

Leopold II was not a perpetrator of genocide either; the deaths in the Congo were primarily due to epidemics.

Mao did not commit genocide. The claim of 78 million deaths under Mao is an anti-communist Western meme with no basis in reality.

Bush and Obama are simply leaders of the world’s greatest superpower acting as such. They have not done anything particularly wrong given the immense power they wield.

Would it not cast doubt into the narrative if a good justification could not be found?

What narrative?

[Eye of Zyclone]

Whites Should Reject the False Idea That Hitler and National Socialism Were “Evil”



by H. Millard

ASK YOURSELF this, Whitey: Wouldn’t Whites be better off today if Hitler and the National Socialists had won WWII?

Answer the above question as a White man or woman — that is, for you personally and for your own White family — and not in universal terms or in terms of what is good for lumpen humanity or for other kinds of humans.

I emphasize the point about answering personally as a White because when asked questions about such things, too many Whites are conditioned to answer in universal terms and they’ll babble some socially acceptable (but wrong) answer about how “Hitler and the Nazis killed so many” (lumpen) humans or various non-White peoples and “were just plain evil.”

When it is pointed out that war was forced on Hitler and he was defending White people and White interests, they try to deny this very real truth and revert to universalist clichés — and usually spout off with the expected anti-White bromides along with the anti-Hitler and anti-Nazi nonsense that has been force-fed them for years. In reality, if you are against what Hitler and the National Socialists really stood for, then you are against Whites — and you are against our survival, expansion, and evolution along a White trajectory. Or, put more simply, you are against Whites and your own best interests. And, if you are against Whites and your own best interests one has to ask: Are you are just stupid — or a neurotic self-hater?

The first law of Nature that applies to all organisms is self-preservation, which really means preserving your genome (aka your DNA code). Only those who are insane don’t work for their own preservation.

Frankly, when I hear some brainwashed Whites spout off universal nonsense about “humanity,” I immediately get a cartoon picture in my mind about sheep saying similar nonsense about wolves in their midst who are harmful to sheep, but of whom the sheep have been conditioned to believe are “just like” themselves: “Why, sheep and wolves all bleed red blood and that means we are the same!”

Whites need to deprogram ourselves from harmful universalist thinking. We need to start using more particularistic thinking that will cause us to start looking out for ourselves. This means that what is good for Whites generally is good for each of us as White individuals and for our White families. We need to ask of everything: Is this good for Whites?

To be clear, non-Whites and their business and their fate are not our White business — unless they pose a danger to us. We must remain separate from them and even try to be completely isolated from them if we can. We must not mix their interests with our interests and we must not interfere in their affairs; instead we must be indifferent to them as we are indifferent to various other organisms that are not our kind. We must not be near their DNA. This doesn’t mean that we must be impolite, hateful, or cruel — but it does mean that we must only look out for ourselves and let other kinds look out for their own. This is what Nature (or, if you will, God) has set up as part of the natural way of things. Being a good, just, and compassionate White person means, in part, to mind your own White business and leave other kinds alone to their own business.

Related to the above questions about Hitler and the National Socialists are questions about “racial diversity” within our society. If asked their opinions about increased racial diversity in formerly White countries, too many Whites will give you the company line that racial diversity is “wonderful.” They will often couch this in universal terms or will say that racial diversity is great because it has “helped Blacks” or “brings people together,” or some variations of these. But, if you persist and ask them to tell you how diversity is good for themselves and their White families, they can’t give you any sort of rational answer. The reason for this is that this kind of racial diversity is not good for Whites and it is actually one of the major dangers we face: It threatens our continued survival as Whites.

Had the National Socialists won the war would we now be seeing our formerly all-White lands being invaded by millions of non-Whites who are causing our genocide both by directly killing us and also by miscegenating with us and turning our White genome non-White? Of course not. Whites would be much better off today had the National Socialists won. And remember, the National Socialists were our White brothers, sisters, and cousins. They were not alien to our White kind and they wanted to prevent the evils of miscegenation. Not only did they fight against the destruction of the White genome — they also wanted to improve it.

So, what did many brainwashed non-German Whites do back then? They went to kill their White brothers, sisters, and cousins, siding with non-Whites and non-White interests. They took too short a view of existence, instead of using their brains to realize that it was not and never is in their best interests to help non-Whites against Whites. They were like sheep who fight other sheep for the benefit of wolves.

Awakened Whites understand the above and know it’s true because awakened Whites understand some of the basics of Nature and evolution. And, among these basics is the fact that all organisms must struggle to survive and exist — and the greatest enemy for the continued existence of any particular kind of organism is usually similar organisms that can breed with them and contaminate their genome and thus cause them to be genetically replaced. And that is genocide and extinction.

Here, once again, are three of the most important quotes regarding our survival as White people:

“[T]he varieties of mankind are so different that similar differences found in any other animals would warrant their classification in different species, if not in different genera.” — Charles Darwin

“Living organisms must necessarily compete, for food, for mates and for living space, especially with other members of their own species. They must avoid predators and other dangers. For all these various reasons, some will leave more offspring than others, and it is the genetic characteristics of such preferred replicators which will be passed on preferentially to succeeding generations. This is the essence of natural selection.” — Francis Crick (Nobel laureate and co-discoverer of the structure of DNA)

“Man is something that shall be overcome. Man is a rope, tied between beast and Overman — a rope over an abyss. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end.” — Friedrich Nietzsche

https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/06/wh ... were-evil/