Majdanek this and that

[Fred Ziffel]

Points to Ponder about a Lipstadt May 16,1981 newspaper article

Let's see if I can make heads or tails out of this….

In a newspaper article dated May 16, 1981, Debbie Lipstadt mis-quoted reporter Bill Williams’ August 27, 1944 article about Majdanek deaths, writing that 1.7 million remains were found. Williams’ article stated 1.5 million were killed. And, she reaffirmed Williams’ credibility as a trusted reporter.
However, on the very day of Debbie’s May 16,1981 article, the official death toll at Majdanek stood at 1.38 million.
This demonstrates just how sloppy this so-called PhD professor is.

[Wetzelrad]

I've long been puzzled over that paragraph by Lipstadt. Notice that everything she cites throughout the article is only cited imprecisely. The NYT article is only dated as being "in the fall of 1944", and the bit about what "Lawrence later wrote" gives no indication that it comes from his autobiography. All the sources are found in her book, however.

Bearing that in mind, I think her purpose in that article was to summarize a great deal of information in a short space by leaving out the citations. And since it's unlikely that she would have mistaken Lawrence's report, what she probably meant was that 1.7 million was the real death tally. She must have gotten that from the Polish (Soviet) government's show trials.

So while it was very sloppy, it wasn't a misquote.

[Booze]

I thought that the prisoners who worked in the crematories were sonderkommando.
But that's wrong they are "carriers of the secret". lol
Does anyone have the proper spelling for that in German?

I think you mean "Geheimnisträger"? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geheimnistr%C3%A4ger

That definitely sounds like the word he used in the video.

[Booze]

Well, the most likely reason is that it was changed some time after their report in 1944. Possibly the Soviets altered it to make it more plausible as a gas chamber, the same as they carved holes in other roofs. Also possible is that someone took out the flue pipes during roof work or for some other innocent reason.

That might explain why Mattogno's dimensions are so different from the Soviet report but it falls short of explaining why the dimensions from the contractor differ so much from the Soviet report.
I will say that I do suspect that those wooden shafts (or chimneys) were built by the Soviets post war.

[Booze]

Hopefully someone can clear up this question I have on the use of Zyklon in the concrete structure containing chambers A,B1&B2.

After an application of Zyklon in any of those chambers how does that effect the use of the B41 facility and surrounding area?
(Even without the post-war construction connecting these two buildings)

When they open the doors to aerate the cyanide gas do they have to evacuate everyone from the area for a period of time?
Why did they build it so close to the shower facility?

[Fred Ziffel]

You asked: After an application of Zyklon in any of those chambers how does that effect the use of the B41 facility and surrounding area?

I reply with a song: "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer my friend is blowing in the wind"..... Bob Dylan 1962



You asked: When they open the doors to aerate the cyanide gas do they have to evacuate everyone from the area for a period of time?
Me: Not sure. Maybe, or maybe they did nothing because they are outside?

Why did they build it so close to the shower facility?
Me: Not sure exactly, perhaps to keep the building under the canopy for convenience? Did not seem to be that much effect on the showers

BTW: I covered this in my presentation and see the attachment for more

[Wetzelrad]

After an application of Zyklon in any of those chambers how does that effect the use of the B41 facility and surrounding area?
(Even without the post-war construction connecting these two buildings)

When they open the doors to aerate the cyanide gas do they have to evacuate everyone from the area for a period of time?
Why did they build it so close to the shower facility?

We can say confidently that you would not want to be standing nearby when the doors were first opened. There was one incident at Auschwitz that led Rudolf Hoess to send out this notice:

A case of indisposition with slight symptoms of poisoning by hydrocyanic gas which occured today makes it necessary to warn all those participating in the gassings and all other SS members that in particular on opening rooms used for gassing SS not wearing masks must wait at least five hours and keep at a distance of at least 15 meters from the chamber. In addition, particular attention should be paid to the wind direction.

So your concern is not unfounded.

Obviously the staff at Majdanek must have had a standard operating procedure for conducting fumigation, but since we have no documents to show for it we can only speculate as to what it entailed. What would make sense to me is for the facility to be used strictly for delousing. Dirty inmates would leave their clothes on one side of the barracks, go through the process of shaving and showering, and pick up an already-clean set of clothes on the other side. Fumigation would occur at a separate time. Possibly inmates would be forbidden from the facility except when they were required to go through delousing. This would eliminate nearly all risk of poisoning.

In support of this speculation, we see that this facility was built on the edge of the camp, which was a sensible choice to limit cyanide exposure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be held in common across the camps. Only at Birkenau were there two mirror disinfestation facilities located near the center of the camp, but those still had ample open yard space and a fence to restrict access.

Still, we're talking about gas diffusion. I believe they used HCN for fumigation at a concentration of ~1,000 ppm, and it's generally accepted that humans can tolerate ~50 ppm for short periods. How close to a window or door would you have to be standing to get poisoned? I imagine under 10 meters, decreasing as time passed.

For those curious, more information about airing out after fumigation can be found in this contemporary instruction manual published in Pressac's book.

[Booze]

I definitely understand the idea of relying on cross ventilation to aerate the chamber. My thought was that they're going to have racks of clothes in those chambers. They're going to want to allow enough time to make certain that it's safe. And on some days you'll have less air movement than others.
As Wetzelrad said they have to keep ppl out of there for some length of time.
It just seems odd to me that they located it so close to the showers. They had their reasons I'm sure. It's a big camp, lots ppl and a lot of clothes, so It makes me wonder how many showers and de-infestation chambers they had.

[Booze]

Concentration used in homicidal gassing in Birkenau: 12g/m³ (1%), or 40 times the lethal (or mortal) dose.

The way that Pressac declares this as established fact is typical of the technique used by the holocaust industry.
Completely out of thin air but stated with authority.

[Fred Ziffel]

I definitely understand the idea of relying on cross ventilation to aerate the chamber. My thought was that they're going to have racks of clothes in those chambers. They're going to want to allow enough time to make certain that it's safe. And on some days you'll have less air movement than others.
As Wetzelrad said they have to keep ppl out of there for some length of time.
It just seems odd to me that they located it so close to the showers. They had their reasons I'm sure. It's a big camp, lots ppl and a lot of clothes, so It makes me wonder how many showers and de-infestation chambers they had.

I'll buy that, so long as those 3 rooms are mot thought as a homicidal gas chamber

[Booze]

I definitely understand the idea of relying on cross ventilation to aerate the chamber. My thought was that they're going to have racks of clothes in those chambers. They're going to want to allow enough time to make certain that it's safe. And on some days you'll have less air movement than others.
As Wetzelrad said they have to keep ppl out of there for some length of time.
It just seems odd to me that they located it so close to the showers. They had their reasons I'm sure. It's a big camp, lots ppl and a lot of clothes, so It makes me wonder how many showers and de-infestation chambers they had.

I'll buy that, so long as those 3 rooms are mot thought as a homicidal gas chamber

Not by me, I don't believe there was a single homicidal gas chamber at any camp, I also doubt the T4 claims.

[Fred Ziffel]

Most look at the death toll figure. This sign tells much more to the thinking. I have posted this sign on X and Gab many many many times and only one person on his own so far has noticed the other figure and pointed it out to me.

things to ponder:
perhaps releasing people because the Germans felt they did not belong there

People leaving the camp could tell the world of what was going on in the camp. I am sure the Germans were a thinking people and would understand this reaction.

One other reason may have been, was the Germans could not afford the hassle of supporting and keeping them? One less mouth to feed so to speak

[Wetzelrad]

Graf and Mattogno make repeated mention of those released prisoners, citing a 1996 paper from the Majdanek Museum. One passage:

According to the Polish historians, 45,000 prisoners were transferred from Majdanek to other camps, 20,000 were released, a few hundred managed to escape, and 1,500 were liberated by the Red Army on July 23, 1944. The number of transferred prisoners verifiable through contemporary camp documentation is only slightly higher than 35,000 but since that documentation is incomplete, the real figure might very well be 10,000 higher than that. The – astonishingly high – number of 20,000 released prisoners is never substantiated through documentary sources in the Polish literature on the subject; we accept it, however, because especially in this case there is no reason why it should have been deliberately exaggerated. On the contrary, that number effectively undermines the assumption that Majdanek was an “extermination camp,” since the released inmates would have spread their news of the mass murders immediately all over Poland, and the alleged subsequent attempts of the Germans at “covering up their deeds” would have become futile.
Concentration Camp Majdanek: A Historical and Technical Study by Jürgen Graf and Carlo Mattogno, p.263

I wasn't able to find that paper, but I do see that the Majdanek website has a database of 56,564 prisoners, many of which are marked as "released" with a date given. I decided to look up some notable witnesses.

• Léon Blum was the Prime Minister of France. He was transferred out of Majdanek and survived the war. No entry in the database.
• Dionys Lenard escaped Majdanek in 1942 and "brought the first confirmed report of the killings back to the Jewish community in Slovakia." according to Wikipedia. His entry is listed as Dionys Lenart, with "no data" as to his fate.
• Erling Bauck is known to have survived Majdanek and Auschwitz, but his entry has "no data" where that might be mentioned.
• Henryk Jerzy Szcześniewski is known to have been transferred out of Majdanek and he survived the war. His entry has "no data" as to his fate.
• Stanisław Chwiejczak was a prosecution witness after the war. He is listed as "released" Apr-01-1944.
• Jan Wolski was a prosecution witness after the war. He claimed to have seen many gassings and heard an SS confess. He is listed as "released" Aug-09-1943.

To release persons like Wolski, we must think the Germans were utter morons. Anyway, we can see the database is quite incomplete, but it does contain the identities of some of those released.

Jewish Virtual Library briefly mentions the released prisoners here and attempts to answer why they were released:

The display includes photographs of the former inmates, which look like prison mug shots, taken with a good quality German camera. Along with each photograph is an explanation of what happened to the prisoner. The majority of them look Slavic and have Polish names. According to this exhibit, 18,000 prisoners were released, but the guidebook says 20,000 were released. Those who were released were mostly women and children who were held as hostages in an attempt to stop partisan activity or hostages who were taken as punishment for the civilians in the area not meeting their quote of agricultural products which they had been ordered to supply to the German occupation. The hostages wore the red triangle of political prisoners.

It must be pointed out that in any normal population women and children make up the majority, so if this is true of released prisoners it is not surprising or noteworthy. The rest of the statement demands justification, but I don't think we'll get it from a museum exhibit.

[Booze]

The display includes photographs of the former inmates, which look like prison mug shots, taken with a good quality German camera. Along with each photograph is an explanation of what happened to the prisoner. The majority of them look Slavic and have Polish names.

Why do the majority seem to be Polish?
I've always asked that question about the surviving registration photos at Auschwitz.
I'm very suspicious in regard to the museum of Auschwitz not putting all the surviving photos online.
Is it a case where the not only are majority of the surviving photos of Polish prisoners, but that the majority of prisoners at both these camps were in fact Polish?
I once saw a video where an elderly man in Poland said exactly that, the majority of prisoners in Auschwitz were Polish.

[Fred Ziffel]

I was watching this clip from Dr. Strangelove (January 1964!!) when General Jack D Ripper committed suicide in the bathroom. Stop and then watch video from exactly 3:10 till it fades out. (about 13 seconds).
Unfortunately for you all, I had more thoughts. I thought about the Majdanek B41 once claimed gas chamber room when I saw this.

In the Dr. Strangelove video what do we have?:
A room with a door that opens inward
A human being inside the room that is dead
Another human (Peter Sellers) opening the door to gain entrance after the person inside is dead

What would the Germans have had in Majdanek B41 gas chamber?:
A room with door(s) that open inward
Many humans inside the room dead from allegedly being gassed
Other humans opening the door(s) to gain entrance to retrieve the dead

In the video, focus in how Captain Mandrake tries and struggles to open the door with the dead general in the way. This clearly shows the issues of having a door opening inward. You see it now with your own eyes. Stanley Kubrick was a thinking and brilliant filmmaker that paid attention to details, whereas the people who make this Holobunga shit up and sell it to other unthinking people as late as 2005 are and do not.

Well, duhhh?? Yes, I get it, I really do. Perhaps you did not have to see this, but most who believe in the Holobunga would not have realized this. At least now, you all see the argument being demonstrated before your own eyes regardless of how simple it is and being a scene from a good movie.


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