Majdanek this and that

[Booze]

Interesting
Can you provide the forum of where the delousing did take place at Majdanek? Photos appreciated
and
Why the Germans thought this was a good idea to do delousing at that spot?

No I cannot Fred.
But it's in my nature to raise questions.
I've never been to Majdanek, is it fully intact and fully open to the public?

[Fred Ziffel]

there are areas in B41 (Boiler Room) and the Zyklon Can room, You cannot see the whole room, You will see a remnets of a boarded-up windows. see attached, here is what you cannot see behind the cans

The bunker, before not, but now all rooms you are no longer allowed to go in, B2 you cannot see

B42
Yes there are areas you cannot go but at least now better than before 2021.

[Booze]

I took your question to mean if I knew of other locations within the camp as a whole where disinfection took place
in response to my speculation that the undressing room may have not been used for disinfection.

I most certainly do no know the subject on that level of detail to say where other disinfection facilities might have existed in Majdanek.

You are saying that they did use the undressing room for de-infestation because they lacked other facilities, correct?

[Fred Ziffel]

"A" and B1 turned into morgues because the two ovens on hand could not keep up with the death count from the typhus epidemic and other diseases at the camp. These two rooms were cool and out of the sun. B41 was converted to a delousing facility and the heater that was marked for the area of B2 was moved to B41 undressing.
When the new crematoria went into service in Jan 1944, "A", B1 and B41 undressing room could returned to the roles originally intended.
Mattogno states this argument in his Majdanek book and it makes sense to me.

[Booze]

That's perfectly fine Fred, when I express a doubt regarding a given detail I don't do it with the expectation that everyone will agree. That wasn't my purpose. It's no more or less than food for thought.

Going back many years ago I expressed doubts that the Germans blew up the crematoriums in Birkenau, I don't recall anyone at the time saying that they also doubt it.
Over the years I have seen on forums and read articles which questioned that claim. But even absent of that my doubts would still persist. At the same time I'm not intractable, as I learn more there's always the possibility that my beliefs can change.

When it comes to raising critical questions no two people are going to think exactly alike.

[Stubble]

"A" and B1 turned into morgues because the two ovens on hand could not keep up with the death count from the typhus epidemic and other diseases at the camp. These two rooms were cool and out of the sun. B41 was converted to a delousing facility and the heater that was marked for the area of B2 was moved to B41 undressing.
When the new crematoria went into service in Jan 1944, "A", B1 and B41 undressing room could returned to the roles originally intended.
Mattogno states this argument in his Majdanek book and it makes sense to me.

We are in agreement.

The place where I diverge from that assessment is delousing occurring while the facility was 'in use' in the traditional role for bath and disinfection.

You raise a valid point about the door.

The reason I find the idea of using the bathhouse while doing delousing in there dubious isn't because of the door however, but, the danger posed by even just a crack in the mortar of the room.

It would be dangerous to have both activities in the same space at the same time.

I could of course be wrong.

Perhaps in the documentation is extant an order concerning the emergency use of the space for delousing. I don't know.

[Fred Ziffel]

It is not out of the question they did do fabric delousing overnight, then whomever came in in the morning and ventilated the room and hung things outside. Very plausible

I am just arguing that delousing could have been done while inmates took showers. Yes, there are some risks. but do people die from leaking HCN through a fixable door or getting typhus or whatever disease from not bathing. Decisions would have to be made.

I was not living then, but I feel life was pretty rough and ready even in the 1940s as compared to the 2020s life. And being in a war zone to boot. Different standards, different thinking I guess.

[Booze]

B41 was converted to a delousing facility and the heater that was marked for the area of B2 was moved to B41 undressing.
When the new crematoria went into service in Jan 1944, "A", B1 and B41 undressing room could returned to the roles originally intended.
Mattogno states this argument in his Majdanek book and it makes sense to me.

Please save me some time if you could and tell me what he supports that with.
By that I mean documentation, like work orders for example.

Another question I have is what was the source of heat for B41?
How was the building designed to be heated?
Are there radiators operating off the boiler?

[Fred Ziffel]

Going back many years ago I expressed doubts that the Germans blew up the crematoriums in Birkenau, I don't recall anyone at the time saying that they also doubt it.

I got into a row about who blew up the cremation facilities at Birkenau with Mr. Rizoili
He says the Russians did it, I say the Germans did it based on arguments by David, "Make it a double this time", Cole

Recall that Majdanek was liberated 6 months before Auschwitz, The Soviets propagandized the crap out of the Majdanek newer cremation facility. I am sure the German Army also reads the newspapers and saw what they were doing at Majdanek and decided the Soviet are not going to get the opportunity to do that again at Auschwitz so they blew them up. The Germans did not do it to hide any evil deeds perpetrated at the facilities.

I do believe the soviets burn down the cremation facility at Majdanek. They burned it down but it did not hide anything.

[Stubble]

I think that the corpse cellars were hit by the bombing run September 13th and structurally compromised. In the next aerial reconnaissance series, the roofs are off of the lk's at Kremas II and III. I think the Germans destroyed the Kremas because of structural damage.

There is a witness that says they were bombed in a book 'playing for time'.

[Booze]

Going back many years ago I expressed doubts that the Germans blew up the crematoriums in Birkenau, I don't recall anyone at the time saying that they also doubt it.

I got into a row about who blew up the cremation facilities at Birkenau with Mr. Rizoili
He says the Russians did it, I say the Germans did it based on arguments by David, "Make it a double this time", Cole

Recall that Majdanek was liberated 6 months before Auschwitz, The Soviets propagandized the crap out of the Majdanek newer cremation facility. I am sure the German Army also reads the newspapers and saw what they were doing at Majdanek and decided the Soviet are not going to get the opportunity to do that again at Auschwitz so they blew them up. The Germans did not do it to hide any evil deeds perpetrated at the facilities.

I do believe the soviets burn down the cremation facility at Majdanek. They burned it down but it did not hide anything.

Yes I've heard that rationalization many times, it strikes people as plausible but cannot be substantiated by itself.
It's equally as logical to say they would not destroy those building because it implies they are covering up a crime and in fact, that's exactly what the orthodoxy says.

A suspicious thing for me is, presumably the communists told the gas chamber atrocity stories when they liberate the camp, but the only part of Birkenau missing in their flyover video are the crematoriums.

I heard it mentioned that the Russians did two flyover videos, I've only ever seen one and would be highly interested to see a second if it actually exists.

[Booze]

I think that the corpse cellars were hit by the bombing run September 13th and structurally compromised. In the next aerial reconnaissance series, the roofs are off of the lk's at Kremas II and III. I think the Germans destroyed the Kremas because of structural damage.

There is a witness that says they were bombed in a book 'playing for time'.

I'd be very interested to see that aerial evidence.

[Stubble]

Then in the December series, the shadows show the roofs of the corpse cellars are down.

/shrug

Off topic though, so, if you want to talk about it more, we should move conversation to an appropriate thread.

[Booze]

Bombs need to be dropped out ahead of the target I believe.
But I'm not claiming to have any expert knowledge on it.

[Stubble]

Let's not detract from Fred's Majdanek thread. If you want to talk about these bombs and where they impacted, let's move that discussion to an appropriate thread.