Challenge for Believers

[Nazgul]

That is why revisionists have a chronological blind spot of 1944, which should have been the point when the Nazis were guarding c5 million Jews in camps and ghettos.

It is often claimed that the Jewish Labourers were placed into konzentrationslager, this is not true as miss x wrote, when she and the other 100s of girls fled the demoralized guard in Bavaria. The labour camps were guarded by SA, Schmelt und Todt staff not SS. The SS did run their nasty version of labour camps, mainly at Birkenau and Lublin, these were few and far between. If a few hundred girls can run away into the mist of time in one camp, it would have happened everywhere.

[Nessie]

That is why revisionists have a chronological blind spot of 1944, which should have been the point when the Nazis were guarding c5 million Jews in camps and ghettos.

It is often claimed that the Jewish Labourers were placed into konzentrationslager, this is not true as miss x wrote, when she and the other 100s of girls fled the demoralized guard in Bavaria. The labour camps were guarded by SA, Schmelt und Todt staff not SS. The SS did run their nasty version of labour camps, mainly at Birkenau and Lublin, these were few and far between. If a few hundred girls can run away into the mist of time in one camp, it would have happened everywhere.

You would score a zero on any history course. The errors you make have been repeatedly pointed out to you, but you still make them.

[Nazgul]

You would score a zero on any history course. The errors you make have been repeatedly pointed out to you, but you still make them.

Stop trolling.

[Stubble]

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Forgive me if I hesitate to consider the Germans retarded.

But revisionists think them incapable of building gas chambers, modifying existing buildings for gas chambers, and incapable of telling the truth when they were accused of running gas chambers to kill millions.

That's a wild misframing, personally I have absolutely no doubt the Germans could have built homicidal gas chambers. They would have built absolutely flawless homicidal gas chambers and had the highest levels of safe handling protocols, in triplicate, as well as documentation of certification for their use.

Furthermore, so far as extracted confessions go, you were a cop, right? When you want to 'crack' a ring, if you are dirty, you torture some members and get them to roll on others then they all roll on each other and you know it. You know this is how it is done. Yet you sit there and you say 'then why would they confess?'.

How many murder convictions have been overturned on evidence after forced confessions Nessie, how many?

[Nessie]

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Forgive me if I hesitate to consider the Germans retarded.

But revisionists think them incapable of building gas chambers, modifying existing buildings for gas chambers, and incapable of telling the truth when they were accused of running gas chambers to kill millions.

That's a wild misframing, personally I have absolutely no doubt the Germans could have built homicidal gas chambers. They would have built absolutely flawless homicidal gas chambers and had the highest levels of safe handling protocols, in triplicate, as well as documentation of certification for their use.

When you say stupid things like that, it helps to explain why you have fallen for the deneir hoax.

Furthermore, so far as extracted confessions go, you were a cop, right? When you want to 'crack' a ring, if you are dirty, you torture some members and get them to roll on others then they all roll on each other and you know it. You know this is how it is done. Yet you sit there and you say 'then why would they confess?'.

How many murder convictions have been overturned on evidence after forced confessions Nessie, how many?

According to the Uni of Exeter Justice Lab, in the UK, 98, or 20% of overturned convictions have been because of confession evidence, which will be down to use of coercion or trickery or failure to properly observe the accused rights. Those convictions have been overturned because there is evidence that those convictions are based on dubious confessional evidence and there is no other evidence that the accused is guilty.

You, being a revisionist, who has no respect for evidence, merely suggest all the confessions are doubtful and you ignore all the non-confessional evidence of guilt. That is because you are not really a revisionist, you are a denier. You just deny the evidence that does not suit you.

[Stubble]

you're stupid

Nice rebuttal Nessie. What exactly is stupid about thinking the nazis could have built homicidal gas chambers?

Look, it isn't stupid to think the Germans could have built homicidal gas chambers, it is stupid to think that they wouldn't have planned them or had safety protocols in place.

People executed by hydrogen cyanide gas are toxic. Handling them without proper ppe is lethal. Then there are the considerations for the gassing procedure.

You act like this whole ordeal is some simple procedure with absolutely no consideration for the safety of working with hydrogen cyanide gas.

Of course, you always respond with 'we know it happened because it happened'. This retort is stupid.

[Nessie]

you're stupid

Nice rebuttal Nessie.

You made that quote up.

What exactly is stupid about thinking the nazis could have built homicidal gas chambers?

Nothing, you made that up as well, straw man fallacy.

Look, it isn't stupid to think the Germans could have built homicidal gas chambers, it is stupid to think that they wouldn't have planned them or had safety protocols in place.

They had safety protocols for the SS staff, not the Jewish slave labourers. Hoess issued an order for staff to wear masks when they were anywhere near the gas chambers.

People executed by hydrogen cyanide gas are toxic. Handling them without proper ppe is lethal. Then there are the considerations for the gassing procedure.

You act like this whole ordeal is some simple procedure with absolutely no consideration for the safety of working with hydrogen cyanide gas.

Witnesses report the use of gas masks to clear the chambers and part of a gas mask was found in the ruins of Krema II.

Of course, you always respond with 'we know it happened because it happened'. This retort is stupid.

Your dishonesty is incredible. Why not quote my actual words? My argument is we know it happened, because it is evidenced and proven to have happened. You, being a supposed revisionist, don't do evidence, the rest of us do.

[Stubble]

We have driven off topic.

Nessie, the condensation of your words in a quote is not a misquote.

Evidence? You want to talk about evidence? You consider a tile proof of a homicidal gas chamber and by extension the murder of 800,000 to 900,000 who were buried in graves that don't exist.

You consider eye witness testimony more than sufficient to prove the murder of people in rooms with no elevation on hydrogen cyanide or derivative compounds beyond background.

It is not I who doesn't use evidence, it is you.

Such an inversion of dialogue from you is to be expected, as it is par for the course.

[Nessie]

We have driven off topic.

Nessie, the condensation of your words in a quote is not a misquote.

Yes it is.

Evidence? You want to talk about evidence? You consider a tile proof of a homicidal gas chamber and by extension the murder of 800,000 to 900,000 who were buried in graves that don't exist.

Yet another gross distortion of what I have actually said. You use the straw man fallacy, when you cannot deal with my argument, so you make a distorted version instead.

The tile is a small part of the evidence, it is not proof.

You consider eye witness testimony more than sufficient to prove the murder of people in rooms with no elevation on hydrogen cyanide or derivative compounds beyond background.

When all the eyewitnesses agree and there is not evidence of collusion and no reason why they would cooperate, that is strong corroborative evidence. It is further strengthened by the corroboration from documents, physical items etc. That HCN levels are lower than expected, is not evidence to prove no gassings.

It is not I who doesn't use evidence, it is you.

List the evidence you use to prove millions of Jews in camps and ghettos in 1944.

Such an inversion of dialogue from you is to be expected, as it is par for the course.

Stop distorting my arguments and misquoting me.

[Nazgul]

When you say stupid things like that, it helps to explain why you have fallen for the deneir hoax.

You, being a revisionist, who has no respect for evidence, merely suggest all the confessions are doubtful and you ignore all the non-confessional evidence of guilt. That is because you are not really a revisionist, you are a denier. You just deny the evidence that does not suit you.

When you say stupid things like that, it helps to explain why you have fallen for the deneir hoax.

What is a deneir hoax? That said this is a mantra used at RODOH and now being used here.

That you think such Conspiracies are possible, explains why have fallen for the denier hoax.

..https://rodoh.info/post/1373

Your double standard is just you fooling yourself into believing a hoax.

...https://rodoh.info/post/14651

A challenge for this poster is not to get personal but stick to the topic, stop using stupid mantras of no meaning, like "deneir hoax"

[Nessie]

The denier hoax is claiming that the Nazis did not murder millions of Jews, and that by 1944, they had hidden them.....somewhere, and by 1945, the rest of Europe and North America was in on the hoax and agreed to continue hiding them.

[Nazgul]

The denier hoax is claiming that the Nazis did not murder millions of Jews, and that by 1944, they had hidden them.....somewhere, and by 1945, the rest of Europe and North America was in on the hoax and agreed to continue hiding them.

We all know the narrative. There are two definitions of a hoax, not the topic here. It seems you and your kind are attempting to achieve malicious deception and not discussion on the topic. In my opinion if you cannot discuss issues of contention then leave.

[Nessie]

Challenge;

My challenge is simply this: demonstrate with evidence where all these groups expelled went. In short, where did they go?

The suggestion being that those groups cannot be traced and evidence found to answer the question, where did they go? But the link includes evidence where they went. There was then an attempt to do the same with North Korean defectors. But, a simple search found plenty of evidence to establish where they all went over the decades.

That just leaves the millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis, for whom there is no evidence to answer the question, where did they go?

[Stubble]

Not unlike jews for the various expulsions and the North Koreans, who went where jews and North Koreans are, they went where jews are.

The orthodoxy can't provide any information on these missing persons. If we just go by names, you have to cut the death count by 2/3rds. If you remove multiple entries you enter revisionist territory with roughly 500,000...

/shrug

[Nazgul]

That just leaves the millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis, for whom there is no evidence to answer the question, where did they go?

Internment is not arrest unless you resist. A real policeman would know this. Forums like these need a devils advocate, but you are long gone past due date. In 10 years there is nothing new from you except the same quotes.