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Re: Undeserved reply to CJ on population statistics

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TlsMS93 wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 12:31 pm Why does this idiot always ask where the Jews were in the German camps in 1944? Isn't he familiar with the revisionist answer that millions of Jews left the German sphere of influence, as recorded in the Korherr report and which was German policy on the Jewish question, as outlined by Martin Luther in his memorandum?

I'm still waiting for the exterminationists to sift through the ashes from those camps in Poland so that the total number is 1.7 million. There's no point in saying it can't be done or appealing to Jewish laws regarding the treatment of the dead; that's a straw man.
Korherr Report, Part V, The evacuation of the Jews.

"This evacuation was prepared after the prohibition of Jewish emigration in autumn 1941..."

"Total evacuation (including Theresienstadt and special treatment, 1,873,549"

"The above figures do not include the Jews in ghettos and concentration camps. The evacuations of Jews from Slovakia and Croatia were carried out by these countries themselves"

Jews who did emigrate, such as the Danes and Norwegians who went to Sweden, or those who got to the UK, are recorded and evidenced. The issue are the Jews the Nazis arrested and sent to camps and ghettos. It stands to reason, if they were not being killed, then, by 1944, the camps and ghettos would be full of millions of Jews. Instead, supposedly evacuated Jews, drop off Nazi records, by the millions, such that by the autumn of 1944, the last ghetto at Lodz closed and A-B's population was smaller than it had been in 1943.

You are correct that there will never be mass excavations and sifting of cremains, to quantify the exact volumes at the AR camps and Chelmno.
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Nessie wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:32 am
Archie wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 8:55 pm ....

2) It is trivially easy to show that the six million figure had "caught on" before any accurate census figures could have possibly been compiled. Given the chronology (that the "totally objective estimates" came after the propaganda number) it is foolish and naive to assume that this had "ZERO" influence whatsoever.

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That appears to be true, if you only look for 6 million. But a wider search of different figures will find that 6 million was one of many used.



"A telegram recently revealed, sent in 1939 by 🇵🇱 Polish Jewish organizations to then🇬🇧 British Prime Minister Chamberlain, shows the chilling cry for help of 3.3 million Polish Jews, of whom very few survived."

What ever the postwar Holocaust death toll was, it could then be referrenced back to past use of that figure, to claim evidence of the planning of a conspiracy. Hence, there is no evidential significance to the use of 6 million before the war.
That totally debunks the argument about the 6 million being an "anchor". I was personally too lazy to look for those data points.

I am not that interested in research the random war time estimates that came out between the years of 1942-1945. Some of these other articles help me think about history and forensics more deeply though. That one wasn't even interesting to me.
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borjastick wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 8:46 am More weasel words from Mrs Nessiebaumgoldfarb.
This post was logically weak and it was totally unnecessary to call him Mrs Nessiebaumgoldfarb unless that's really his full name and he's actually a woman.

I got banned for much less here so there's a clear double standard where you're allowed to be abusive to Jews but not Jew haters.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 12:31 pm Why does this idiot always ask where the Jews were in the German camps in 1944? Isn't he familiar with the revisionist answer that millions of Jews left the German sphere of influence, as recorded in the Korherr report and which was German policy on the Jewish question, as outlined by Martin Luther in his memorandum?
You can't provide any decent evidence that Jews "left the German sphere of influence". Not by my standards, but the average person's standards. Not even close.
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But that's what the document states. It's not my problem if the USSR was closed and many countries forbade their Jews from claiming German reparations. Nessie has already laid her king to rest when it comes to determining how much human ash there is in those Reinhardt camp graves. In other words, if they want us to believe on their authority, it won't happen. There's no point in building imposing museums and saturating them with witnesses who swallowed defecated diamonds or that there were delayed-effect gas chambers to save the trouble of transporting them to the graves.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 3:02 pm But that's what the document states. It's not my problem if the USSR was closed and many countries forbade their Jews from claiming German reparations. Nessie has already laid her king to rest when it comes to determining how much human ash there is in those Reinhardt camp graves. In other words, if they want us to believe on their authority, it won't happen. There's no point in building imposing museums and saturating them with witnesses who swallowed defecated diamonds or that there were delayed-effect gas chambers to save the trouble of transporting them to the graves.
Korherr is clear that there is a change of policy in 1941. No more emigration. Evacuation keeps the Jews within Nazi controlled territory. By 1943, he reports a drop of 4 million Jews.

Every Nazi document you will find, that discusses Jewish populations, during the war, records falls. Not one single document records any significant population of Jews in camps and ghettos in 1944.

That is part of the evidence to prove they were being murdered.

PS - I am male. My avatar, since I started as Nessie, has always been the Loch Ness monster. Claims I identify with a female name, are by someone with a history of abuse and bullying towards me.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 2:13 pm

That totally debunks the argument about the 6 million being an "anchor". I was personally too lazy to look for those data points.

I am not that interested in research the random war time estimates that came out between the years of 1942-1945. Some of these other articles help me think about history and forensics more deeply though. That one wasn't even interesting to me.
No. Nessie's post was 100% irrelevant to my citations from 1944 and 1945 where Jews were claiming six million HAD been killed, past tense, by Hitler. That you think Nessie's out-of-context thing from 1939 "totally debunks" my argument reveals your total incompetence.

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ETA: Nessie recently made the exact same error where he totally misinterpreted my argument. I corrected him, yet we see him make the exact same error here, so obviously he is deliberately distorting my point (i.e., lying).
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 2:23 am It's honestly not clear what point you are trying to make here. You ignored the point that many independent sources roughly confirm the same thing.
I think my post is quite clear. You argued:

1) That there was a "consensus" and agreement on the prewar figure of 16.6M.
2) That the variation in estimates was small, "far less" than a million.

I showed you that this is false. And I "ignored" your point about "independent sources alll confirming the same thing" because it is false.

In your reply, you simply said that the contradictory figures don't count, for undisclosed, arbitrary reasons (the real reason = they disprove your argument).

There was no "consensus" on the prewar figures BEFORE THE WAR. It was only AFTER the war that they "harmonized" the figures to be "consistent."
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Here CJ asks me for a link to Reitlinger (indicating he does not know where to find the source and hence obvious has never seen it).
ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 2:23 am This missed the point that I was making. But that doesn't even describe how he came up with his estimates. Will you provide a link to that appendix? I think you are misrepresenting how he came up with his estimates.
Then here in the same post he offers detailed commentary on Reitlinger's methodology. A source he has never seen. Lmao, what an absolute clown.
This might be the first fair point. AI got mixed up. ChatGPT 5 is a lot smarter though.

Reitlinger built his totals by favoring only what he could document and discounted everything that looked like “before/after” demographic arithmetic. This was a bias that systematically pushed his range down.

In practice that meant (a) he treated large swaths of Eastern Europe conservatively because there were thin or closed archives for the biggest killing zones, especially the occupied USSR (b) conservative camp tallies; and (c) he didn't include missing perpetrator paperwork we now have for Operation Reinhard.

He added deliberate allowances for evacuees and other survivors, and his methodology which was careful for its time, yielded an upper bound around 4.6 million, lower than later country-by-country reconstructions that incorporated the fuller post-1960s/1990s document base.
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Archie wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 5:04 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 2:13 pm

That totally debunks the argument about the 6 million being an "anchor". I was personally too lazy to look for those data points.

I am not that interested in research the random war time estimates that came out between the years of 1942-1945. Some of these other articles help me think about history and forensics more deeply though. That one wasn't even interesting to me.
No. Nessie's post was 100% irrelevant to my citations from 1944 and 1945 where Jews were claiming six million HAD been killed, past tense, by Hitler. That you think Nessie's out-of-context thing from 1939 "totally debunks" my argument reveals your total incompetence.

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There were approximately 11 million Jews in Europe at the eve of WWII. Even as a complete guess, in 1939, if people were canvassed as to how many Jews would die, it is likely someone would say 6 million, since fears had been expressed, for decades, that many Jews were at risk, from both the Soviets and the Nazis. Going by other prewar articles, that so-called revisionists largely ignore, it is also likely that people would have guessed anything from a few hundred thousand up to the millions. I think few would have guessed as high as 6 or more million.

In June 1942 the Telegraph had an article "Germans murder 700,000 Jews in Poland" and the NY Times reported that over a million had been massacred. By 1944 and 1945, there was already a lot of information in the public domain, about high Jewish death tolls, so if the same group were canvassed again, it is more than likely, a number would have said 6 million. By then, it was no longer just a guess, there was evidence to make a more informed estimate.

The vast majority of the killing had happened by the autumn of 1944, so again, for someone to claim that 6 million had been killed in 1944, was, based on information already known, not suspect in any way.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 2:18 pm This post was logically weak and it was totally unnecessary to call him Mrs Nessiebaumgoldfarb unless that's really his full name and he's actually a woman.

I got banned for much less here so there's a clear double standard where you're allowed to be abusive to Jews but not Jew haters.
How much of a pussy can one [Jewish] "man" be?

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Archie wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 5:04 pm No. Nessie's post was 100% irrelevant to my citations from 1944 and 1945 where Jews were claiming six million HAD been killed, past tense, by Hitler. That you think Nessie's out-of-context thing from 1939 "totally debunks" my argument reveals your total incompetence.
This is wrong. You are cherry picking one war time estimate out of many. Even if it were the only one, still no reason to think that it would have affected any estimate. There's no evidence of that at all and you can even audit the more reliable estimates to see how they did it. Hint - it had nothing to do with a random war time comment.

I won't actually be rude despite how I've been treated, in case you guys actually believe this, but your weakest arguments are in the demographics issue and my biggest strength is in statistical modeling. I wanted to see all the different kinds of arguments you made, but this one issue should easily show you why millions of Jews were not just "resettled out of the German sphere of influence".
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Callafangers wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:17 pm How much of a pussy can one [Jewish] "man" be?

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Everything you say is a kvetch, plagiarism, or a lie.
If I were a pussy, why would I voluntarily be on here debating you?

It's just unnecessary and a bannable offense.

If you wanted to give me a 2-week ban for being rude, that's fine, but at least hold yourself to the same standards as you hold others.
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Archie, look at examples of how the Holocaust was reported during the war;

Oakland Tribune
"52,000 Jews are Executed in Kiev Area
Publication Date
Sunday, November 16, 1941"

https://newspapers.ushmm.org/historical ... area-56879

The Morning Post
"Millions Liquidated by Nazis in Europe
Sub-Headline Executions, Starvation and Prison Deaths Mount to Appalling Total
Publication Date
Friday, May 8, 1942

https://newspapers.ushmm.org/historical ... rope-59089

The Times
"Nazis Massacre 1,000,000 Jews
Publication Date
Monday, June 29, 1942"

https://newspapers.ushmm.org/historical ... jews-58430

The Cushing Daily Citizen
"Two Million People Vanish From Poland
Sub-Headline Most of Them Have Died Before Germany's Firing Squads
Publication Date
Thursday, October 1, 1942"

https://newspapers.ushmm.org/historical ... land-50199

The Birmingham News
"Nazi Massacre of Jews Now Being Accelerated
Sub-Headline Campaign Of Total Extermination Against Race Is Indicated By Reports From Europe
Publication Date
Sunday, February 28, 1943"

https://newspapers.ushmm.org/historical ... ated-70427

Washington Times Herald
"4 Million Jews Slain by Nazis
Publication Date
Wednesday, November 29, 1944"

https://newspapers.ushmm.org/historical ... azis-15114

You think that by 1944, some believed 6 million had been killed, is suspicious? Why, when mass deaths were being so widely reported?
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:05 pm
If you wanted to give me a 2-week ban for being rude, that's fine, but at least hold yourself to the same standards as you hold others.
It's not for "being rude", liar.

Will you admit you portraying it as due to you "being rude" is a straight-up lie?

You are actually caught in a documented lie, here. We can easily prove this was not the reason you were banned. The actual reasons have been stated explicitly and consistently.

Why are you lying, ConfusedJew? This is not a rhetorical question. I'd like you to answer it.
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