Adolf Eichmann: a made up villain, like Mengele?

[Callafangers]

>The sassen tapes themselves aren't around
Yes, they're a forgery. They never even showed audio when the debuted the "trial"

Robert Servatius was also not allowed to do his job, kek. Check this: https://files.secure.website/wscfus/103 ... -60-pg.pdf (just search for the keywords)

>This is flat earth, essentialy
You literally have no valid scrutiny to present, so this is yet another baseless assertion. You just dodged me kek

They're is also a large difference between POINTING OUT OBVIOUS FACIAL STRUCTURE DIFFERENCES AND CLAIMING THAT TYE EARTH IS FLAT

>Where's your theory on where eichmann was or else this is dead water
He probably stayed in Italy, the head of the Abwehr did, along with many others. The whole story of his "escape and capture" seems so made up and nonsensical as some Spanish, Arab, and Argentine press pointed towards. (I'll post some clippets later)

They probably never got eichmann, it was an actor, that literally made the whole thing up. They got a dude from nürnberg at the trial! And we have no evidence nor documentation but very contradictory and nonsensical claims about his "execution"

What do you have to say on this, in response?

>Confused Jew
Don't care for him, don't know him. Don't just cry about other users and make baseless accusations because you can't debate properly

You are a child. I have nothing else to add and will not be engaging with you further.

[Hektor]

Eichmann did claim a death toll of >10,000,000 at Auschwitz and that a Soviet submarine engine was used to murder people in a 'peasant hovel' at Treblinka. Along with fountains and rivers of blood.

He, did say these things.

They are complete bullshit of course, but the words did fall out of his mouth.

Bundeswehr, I'm going to be extremely blunt. I don't buy the body swap line. That's Eichmann, and his wife was his wife, and his kids were his kids.
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I recall the blood fountains being mentioned during the proceedings by the person that I grant was Eichmann. It remained unchallenged of course... But so, where the piles of toddler shoes at Treblinka mentioned by the high-ranking psychologist.

Apparently Eichmann had knowledge of Yiddish and Hebrew as well, although there were translators at the proceedings.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Eichmann describes his trial as a fraudulent facade and the documents used to try him as false TTO THE COURT and to the biased JEWISH JUDGE:

[Wahrheitssucher]

[Scott]

It was certainly Otto Adolf Eichmann who in 1960 was kidnapped by Israeli spooks in Argentina where he lived after the war with other German expatriates.

Obersturmbannführer Eichmann's Nazi role during the war was rather minor, but he came onto the radar of Simon Wiesenthal's Nazi hunters probably because Eichmann was at the Wannsee Conference in January of 1942, which has come into the popular lore as the birthplace of the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem."

The 2001 movie Conspiracy about the Wannsee Conference with Kenneth Branagh as Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich and Stanley Tucci as Adolf Eichmann, could not have been more hyperbolized.

Both actors were also extremely miscast. I think that David Warner actually played the best Heydrich in the 1978 TV miniseries Holocaust. I am not sure who would have played the best Eichmann, but Stanley Tucci wasn't it. Tucci tried to make Eichmann at Wannsee look like a big mafia lieutenant.

Conspiracy was interesting because it goes into graphic details about things such as homicidal gassings with carbon monoxide generated from gas-vans, and the corpulent attendees (e.g., Ian McNeice) are chuckling about how the deadly gassing process itself turns the dead bodies bright Pink ─ like the Communist Reds that they were.

The only problem is that many of the "eye-witnesses" who claimed to have actually seen these homicidal gassings, like Obersturmführer Kurt Gerstein, are on record as describing the bodies as Blue in color. OOPS!

The kidnapping and Show Trial of a Nazi War Criminal that nobody had previously heard of was a major coup for Israeli propaganda.

In the televised Jerusalem courtroom, Eichmann sat inside a bulletproof glass booth like a caged rat wearing headphones and looking a bit bureaucratic ─ sort of the "banality of evil" as (((Hannah Arendt))) famously put it.

Eichmann probably wondered why he was seen as so important all of a sudden as a Nazi War Criminal.

Although one needs only to read Mein Kampf to disagree with those who think that Nazi Germany was pro-Zionist somehow, Eichmann was a logistics expert who could make the deportation trains run on time. He may have even thought of himself as helping the Jews leave Germany where they were not wanted, and to resettle them to Palestine ─ and that this philanthropic work merely got interrupted by the war. Eichmann even learned Hebrew if I remember correctly.

So obviously Eichmann was promised by the Israelis that if he cooperated with the charade, that they would go easy on him, and he probably wanted to believe it too.

Many smaller-fry Nazis such as corporals-with-chisels and sergeants-with-cyanide had indeed played ball in their trials and actually copped to horrible things to benefit the postwar narrative, and they had then gotten light sentences like five years. This kind of thing was more likely in a West German court, however.

Otto Adolf Eichmann should have realized that if the Israelis were pulling out the stops for a Grand Guignol show-trial, then he would by definition be considered important enough that there is no way that he would be getting off the hook.

Plus, Eichmann was a lone customer and the dice was necessarily rigged. It had to be because all the show-trial's "eggs" were stored in one glass booth with a bespectacled balding man waiting inside.

However, with a gang of defendants like at the IMT, some of the subjects will likely be getting acquitted in order to foster the important global narrative that the process really was fair.

Of course, these hombres who do get off Scot-free probably should never have been sent to face a War Crimes Tribunal in the first place ─ but then most people don't know a Joachim Ribbentrop from a Hjalmar Schacht anyway.

Therefore, like Hermann Göring at the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, an Eichmann left with no sense of hope might have chosen strategically not to collaborate with his captors at all. The Truth still has power even when we are all doomed men.

Eichmann's Israeli jailers probably had him talking to endless psychiatrists keeping him on point and hopeful until they were done with him. Almost nothing that Eichmann actually said on the stand at Jerusalem should be considered true.

So after doing his best "show" to make his interlocutors proud, Eichmann was probably most incredulous in 1962 as they finally led him off to the gallows.

[Hektor]

While interesting, I am not sure it's especially revealing or meaningful that Eichmann was born in Palestine in a German colony. Palestine was far from a "Jewish state" at this time, still overwhelmingly (~95%+) Arab around the time Eichmann would have been born (1900s-10s?). He was apparently nearby enough to Jewish communities to have learned Hebrew but I am not sure that speaks to how or whether that would have influenced his life and perception in ways to, say, compromise him as a "Nazi" later on. It does make his story more interesting, though, in any case...

Apparently of that is in dispute. It may be just rumors running around. The version recall was that Eichmann had apparently some rudimentary knowledge of Hebrew and Yiddish, but this isn't even strange as Hebrew was studied extensively in Germany... And anyone in business may sooner or later run into Jews that spoke Yiddish.

[Bundeswehr]

While interesting, I am not sure it's especially revealing or meaningful that Eichmann was born in Palestine in a German colony. Palestine was far from a "Jewish state" at this time, still overwhelmingly (~95%+) Arab around the time Eichmann would have been born (1900s-10s?). He was apparently nearby enough to Jewish communities to have learned Hebrew but I am not sure that speaks to how or whether that would have influenced his life and perception in ways to, say, compromise him as a "Nazi" later on. It does make his story more interesting, though, in any case...

Apparently of that is in dispute. It may be just rumors running around. The version recall was that Eichmann had apparently some rudimentary knowledge of Hebrew and Yiddish, but this isn't even strange as Hebrew was studied extensively in Germany... And anyone in business may sooner or later run into Jews that spoke Yiddish.

It's not a rumor, it's a fact that he spoke Hebrew and Yiddish. Just read his Wikipedia page—it's even common knowledge there!

[Archie]

While interesting, I am not sure it's especially revealing or meaningful that Eichmann was born in Palestine in a German colony. Palestine was far from a "Jewish state" at this time, still overwhelmingly (~95%+) Arab around the time Eichmann would have been born (1900s-10s?). He was apparently nearby enough to Jewish communities to have learned Hebrew but I am not sure that speaks to how or whether that would have influenced his life and perception in ways to, say, compromise him as a "Nazi" later on. It does make his story more interesting, though, in any case...

Apparently of that is in dispute. It may be just rumors running around. The version recall was that Eichmann had apparently some rudimentary knowledge of Hebrew and Yiddish, but this isn't even strange as Hebrew was studied extensively in Germany... And anyone in business may sooner or later run into Jews that spoke Yiddish.

It's not a rumor, it's a fact that he spoke Hebrew and Yiddish. Just read his Wikipedia page—it's even common knowledge there!

Not really. It says "He was assigned to study and prepare reports on the Zionist movement and various Jewish organisations. He even learned a smattering of Hebrew and Yiddish, gaining a reputation as a specialist in Zionist and Jewish matters.[30]"

A "smattering," i.e. not much.

Historian Barbara W. Tuchman wrote of Eichmann, "The evidence shows him pursuing his job with initiative and enthusiasm that often outdistanced his orders. Such was his zeal that he learned Hebrew and Yiddish the better to deal with the victims."[230]

But this doesn't specify the level and appears to be repeating the older, legendary claims.

[Wetzelrad]

This seems trivial, but I think Archie is right that legend has contaminated the historical record.

At the Eichmann trial, a document was put into evidence regarding his attempt to learn Hebrew.

Attorney General: The next document is the Court’s number 239, our 5. This is an application to enable the Accused to study the Hebrew language at the expense of the SD. This is referred to on pages numbers 2464-2467. It mentions that a year previously, Eichmann had requested permission to study with a Rabbi, after he had taught himself during the course of one year the basics of the language, since he had not been able to find an Aryan teacher, and now he requested the means required to continue his studies — 3 Reichsmarks per hour.

Judge Halevi: In what year?

Attorney General: This was on 18 June 1937.

At some other point, Eichmann confirmed this. JTA reported it like this:

EICHMANN TOOK HEBREW LESSONS FROM RABBI

In testimony designed to demonstrate his humane attitude, Eichmann said he applied for permission to study Hebrew under a rabbi so that he could read a Yiddish paper published in Warsaw. He said it would have been simpler to have had the rabbi arrested and ordered to teach him Hebrew “but I wanted it otherwise.” He said he applied to his superiors for an allocation of three marks an hour for such instruction.

https://www.jta.org/archive/adolf-eichm ... stic-solut

But what makes it interesting is that the witnesses had other ideas. Moritz Fleischmann claimed Eichmann had fluency from the circumstances of his youth.

Thereupon Eichmann made some remarks in Hebrew, and said: “You should not be surprised, I speak Hebrew and Yiddish fluently, since I was born in Sarona” [German Templar Colony in Palestine].

That was Fleischmann's remembrance of a meeting in March 1938.

The statements are contradictory. Eichmann could not have gained fluency from growing up in Palestine if he only just began to teach himself in 1935, and only just began taking instruction in 1936. Since documents tend to be more reliable than witnesses, probably Fleischmann made up this part of his story.