My presentation

A containment zone for disruptive posters
b
bombsaway
Posts: 2012
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:23 am

Re: My presentation

Post by bombsaway »

borjastick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:59 pm Oh and your claim that the holocaust is the most documented event in history is pure schoolboy shite.
You guys really this line lol

he said: "No genocide is better documented than the Holocaust."

And that's true, it is the best documented, by a long shot.
User avatar
Wahrheitssucher
Posts: 1033
Joined: Mon May 19, 2025 2:51 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Wahrheitssucher »

Gonzalo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 3:37 am…the Holocaust is an event accepted by 99% of people
Gonzalo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 12:27 pm There have always been idiots
Image

Image
A ‘holocaust’ believer’s problem is not technical, factual, empirical or archeological — their problem is psychological.
Online
User avatar
HansHill
Posts: 1613
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:06 pm
Location: Arlen, TX

Re: My presentation

Post by HansHill »

bombsaway wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:31 pm
You guys really this line lol

Apologies if i’m not understanding your point - Surely any rock concert in the smartphone era would outrank the holocaust in documentation? Along with any random coffee shop?

Am i misunderstanding you?
b
bombsaway
Posts: 2012
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:23 am

Re: My presentation

Post by bombsaway »

No I was commenting on borjasticks fixation on a line Ganzalo did not use

Best documented genocide is correct
G
Gonzalo
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2026 12:15 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Gonzalo »

borjastick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:59 pmThat's a tad strong there old boy. If you took a poll in the streets of say London, Nottingham and Manchester and asked people of a certain age, maybe 50+, I would agree most would say it happened but they wouldn't know why they say it and what made them believe in it many years back. Many people think the jews have had a rough time of it over the centuries and we should just believe it all and say 'God bless Israel'. Most average people who are aware of the holocaust claims know slightly less than naff all detail and if asked to state a couple of basics about it would almost certainly spurt out 'gas chambers and tattoos'. People are conditioned to think Hitler was bad man and everything he did and is claimed about him is unquestionably true. They don't think, they do not learn and they don't question things. Life gets in the way.

Oh and your claim that the holocaust is the most documented event in history is pure schoolboy shite.
I repeat, most people are neither historians nor experts on the Holocaust. But anyone who researches history objectively and without bias can see that Hitler was extremely evil and, moreover, an incompetent leader. Even if the Holocaust were a “lie” (which is impossible), Hitler caused a full-scale European war that left 42 million dead by invading Poland, even though he had been warned by England and France that invading Poland would mean war [he had already invaded Austria and Czechoslovakia, and they had let him get away with it]. The United States, as it had done before, was bound to step in sooner or later to defend its British ally, and as if that weren’t enough, it invaded Russia while England had not yet been defeated. Hitler dragged his country into a war it could not win due to its demographic and economic inferiority. Do you think that’s smart?


Furthermore, even if not that many Jews died, the Nazis are still guilty of the deaths of tens of thousands of Roma, 1 million ethnic Poles (see the Warsaw Uprising, Intelligenzaktion), 2.8 million Soviet prisoners of war, 600,000 Soviet civilians who were shot, and the Czechs murdered in Lidice and Lezáky. Ask a Belarusian how their grandparents experienced the German occupation and go tell them that everything they went through is a lie—I encourage you to do it.
G
Gonzalo
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2026 12:15 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Gonzalo »

Wahrheitssucher wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 7:45 pm...
You're right. Appealing to the masses is never a good idea. I'm going to be more elitist: of the 99% of people who dedicated their lives to studying the Third Reich and Hitler at many of the most prestigious universities in the Ivy League and the UK, not a single one reached the same conclusions as the revisionists. Not a single one. Are all of them stupid except for the revisionists?
Online
f
fireofice
Posts: 334
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:31 am

Re: My presentation

Post by fireofice »

Gonzalo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:17 am I repeat, most people are neither historians nor experts on the Holocaust. But anyone who researches history objectively and without bias can see that Hitler was extremely evil and, moreover, an incompetent leader. Even if the Holocaust were a “lie” (which is impossible), Hitler caused a full-scale European war that left 42 million dead by invading Poland, even though he had been warned by England and France that invading Poland would mean war [he had already invaded Austria and Czechoslovakia, and they had let him get away with it]. The United States, as it had done before, was bound to step in sooner or later to defend its British ally, and as if that weren’t enough, it invaded Russia while England had not yet been defeated. Hitler dragged his country into a war it could not win due to its demographic and economic inferiority. Do you think that’s smart?


Furthermore, even if not that many Jews died, the Nazis are still guilty of the deaths of tens of thousands of Roma, 1 million ethnic Poles (see the Warsaw Uprising, Intelligenzaktion), 2.8 million Soviet prisoners of war, 600,000 Soviet civilians who were shot, and the Czechs murdered in Lidice and Lezáky. Ask a Belarusian how their grandparents experienced the German occupation and go tell them that everything they went through is a lie—I encourage you to do it.
Depending on the revisionist, many of them would also dispute many of the other things you bring up as well. But I don't see how this is related to the factual question of the holocaust. Whether Hitler is still "good" after certain accusations against him are removed is entirely a matter of opinion. We could remove all those things and many leftists would still say he is bad just for being racist. Who cares?
Online
User avatar
Archie
Site Admin
Posts: 1880
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:54 am

Re: My presentation

Post by Archie »

Gonzalo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:22 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 7:45 pm...
You're right. Appealing to the masses is never a good idea. I'm going to be more elitist: of the 99% of people who dedicated their lives to studying the Third Reich and Hitler at many of the most prestigious universities in the Ivy League and the UK, not a single one reached the same conclusions as the revisionists. Not a single one. Are all of them stupid except for the revisionists?
Gonzalo, you are on thin ice. We're already on page two and you have presented zero evidence or arguments. You've got over 20 posts in less than 24 hours and it seems like you are mostly just interested in hearing yourself talk. Nobody is interested in your unsupported opinions.

This thread does not meet the standards of the Debate board. Your next post had better be a serious effort to present serious arguments. If it isn't you will be banished to Quarantine.
https://www.codohforum.com/viewforum.php?f=32

Consider yourself warned.
Incredulity Enthusiast
G
Gonzalo
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2026 12:15 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Gonzalo »

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 1:26 amGonzalo, you are on thin ice. We're already on page two and you have presented zero evidence or arguments. You've got over 20 posts in less than 24 hours and it seems like you are mostly just interested in hearing yourself talk. Nobody is interested in your unsupported opinions.

This thread does not meet the standards of the Debate board. Your next post had better be a serious effort to present serious arguments. If it isn't you will be banished to Quarantine.
https://www.codohforum.com/viewforum.php?f=32

Consider yourself warned.
Baseless opinions? In the other threads, I showed how Hitler caused the war that killed more Europeans than any other in history, but anyway, let’s get to the point. These are my arguments; here’s what I’d been writing a few days ago:

Heim ins Reich (“Home into the Reich”) was a real, large-scale Nazi resettlement program that started in 1939. The goal was to bring ethnic Germans—Volksdeutsche—living outside the Reich’s borders back into the expanded German territories, mainly the annexed parts of Poland like the Warthegau. These people came from the Baltic states, Volhynia, Galicia, Bessarabia, Bukovina, Romania, Yugoslavia, and parts of the Soviet Union.

The program was run by the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle (VoMi) and the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germandom under Himmler. They organized transports, transit camps, racial screenings, naturalizations, and the assignment of farms and houses—often taken from Poles and Jews. Between 1939 and 1944 they moved hundreds of thousands of people (official figures run from about 600,000 to 870,000, with some estimates higher). We still have the paperwork: transport lists with names, naturalization files (the EWZ records covering more than two million individuals), farm-allocation lists, property inventories, camp records, and citizenship documents. These files are sitting in German, Polish, and American archives. The settlers got land, houses, jobs, and citizenship. Their descendants are still around, and there are postwar records of them.

Deniers claim the Jews deported to the East were “resettled” the same way. But look at the difference. For Heim ins Reich there is a mountain of ordinary bureaucratic paperwork—names, origins, destinations, house assignments, naturalizations, property lists, the works. For the Jews sent East there is nothing like it: no arrival lists at any destination settlements, no housing assignments, no ration cards for new colonies, no birth or marriage registers from those places, and no surviving communities that can describe life there. What we do have are documents that count those same people as “processed,” “specially treated,” or “liquidated”—the Höfle Telegram, the Korherr Report, and the rest.

The real question isn’t whether the two programs were similar. It’s this: why does a genuine mass resettlement of ethnic Germans leave behind hundreds of thousands of pages of routine administrative records, name lists, property assignments, and archives that still exist, while the supposed “resettlement” of more than a million Jews to the East left behind not a single arrival list at any concrete destination, not one housing record, not one surviving community, and not one internal SS report describing the running of those colonies?

1. If the Jews deported East were resettled the same way as the Volksdeutsche, where are the equivalent farm-assignment lists or housing-allocation lists that name who got which property?

2. Why do we have hundreds of thousands of individual naturalization cards and EWZ files for the ethnic German settlers, but not a single equivalent residency or citizenship file for any of the Jews supposedly resettled in the East?

3. How is it that the VoMi and RKFDV archives are full of detailed reports on transports, transit camps, property inventories, and final destinations for the Volksdeutsche, while the Jewish deportation files only contain documents that count people as “processed” or given “special treatment”?

4. Why did the Heim ins Reich settlers leave clear demographic traces—births, marriages, local censuses, and postwar communities—while the supposed Jewish settlements in the East left no census, no civil or church records, and not one surviving community?

5. If both were genuine resettlements, why do we have photographs, personal diaries, letters, and firsthand accounts from the Volksdeutsche describing their new farms and houses, while the only accounts from Jews deported East describe arrival at gas chambers and crematoria?

6. Where are the internal SS or civilian administration reports that detail the building of infrastructure, food supply, labor organization, or day-to-day running of the “Jewish colonies,” the way we have for the ethnic German settlements?

7. Why were the belongings of the resettled Volksdeutsche inventoried and in many cases compensated or transferred, while the property of the deported Jews was systematically looted under Aktion Reinhardt and shipped back to the Reich with no compensation and no record of delivery to any “settlers”?

8. If the Jews were resettled in the East, why do the Operation Reinhard and Auschwitz documents give exact arrival numbers that match the numbers of people murdered, not the numbers of people living in any actual settlements?

9. How is it that after 1945 tens of thousands of Heim ins Reich settlers and their children could be located and interviewed, while out of more than a million Jews “resettled” East not one single person has ever come forward to describe life in those settlements?

10. If the Jewish “resettlement” was real and comparable to Heim ins Reich, why did Himmler, Eichmann, Höss and the other officials who ran the deportations never produce a single internal document discussing the success or the administrative problems of those colonies, when they produced mountains of paperwork about the ethnic German resettlement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_ins_Reich
G
Gonzalo
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2026 12:15 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Gonzalo »

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 1:26 amGonzalo, you are on thin ice. We're already on page two and you have presented zero evidence or arguments. You've got over 20 posts in less than 24 hours and it seems like you are mostly just interested in hearing yourself talk. Nobody is interested in your unsupported opinions.

This thread does not meet the standards of the Debate board. Your next post had better be a serious effort to present serious arguments. If it isn't you will be banished to Quarantine.
https://www.codohforum.com/viewforum.php?f=32

Consider yourself warned.
Is it just me, or is there a bit of favoritism going on here? Revisionists can post as much as they want, with no limits, but I can't post—even if I provide evidence showing how Hitler deliberately started the war that killed more people than any other in history? What's going on? Don't you like hearing the truth?
User avatar
Eye of Zyclone
Posts: 613
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:12 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Eye of Zyclone »

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 1:26 am Gonzalo, you are on thin ice. We're already on page two and you have presented zero evidence or arguments. You've got over 20 posts in less than 24 hours and it seems like you are mostly just interested in hearing yourself talk.
Pretty ironic from someone who called WW2/Holocaust revisionism a religion, isn't it? :roll:
Gonzalo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2026 11:51 pm What will the revisionist religion have to say about this?
https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=26917
"Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures."
Online
User avatar
Archie
Site Admin
Posts: 1880
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:54 am

Re: My presentation

Post by Archie »

Gonzalo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 1:58 am Baseless opinions? In the other threads, I showed how Hitler caused the war that killed more Europeans than any other in history, but anyway, let’s get to the point. These are my arguments; here’s what I’d been writing a few days ago:
...
In this thread you had made 8 posts and had said absolutely nothing. I was telling you to get on with it already if you actually have anything to say.

So it looks like your only argument is where-did-they-go. You cite an example of another migration as a point of comparison and implicitly assume that this other example represents a minimum amount of documentation that must exist for any migration. But why?

Let me flip your argument around. Why should we focus on migration when in theory it should be far easier to investigate the so-called extermination sites directly? It seems you are avoiding a more direct investigation in favor a very indirect argument. If ~3,000,000 Jews were really executed at just a handful of camps, it should be fairly straightforward to confirm this. And that is precisely what revisionists focus on. A direct investigation of these sites reveals (among other things):

-Fake gas chambers
-No mass graves commensurate with the claimed death toll
-Impossibly high implied cremation rates

And when we look into the evidentiary basis for these mass extermination claims we see it is based almost entirely on testimonies, most of which are fall apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Rudolf Hoess
viewtopic.php?t=803
Jankiel Wiernik
viewtopic.php?t=525
Rudolf Vrba
viewtopic.php?t=69
Kula and Tauber
viewtopic.php?t=774
Incredulity Enthusiast
User avatar
Eye of Zyclone
Posts: 613
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:12 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Eye of Zyclone »

Gonzalo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 1:58 am Baseless opinions? In the other threads, I showed how Hitler caused the war that killed more Europeans than any other in history
No, you didn't. You only asserted it without a proof (just like the victors of WW2 did during and after the war).


Gonzalo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 1:58 am These are my arguments; here’s what I’d been writing a few days ago:

Heim ins Reich (“Home into the Reich”) was a real, large-scale Nazi resettlement program that started in 1939. The goal was to bring ethnic Germans—Volksdeutsche—living outside the Reich’s borders back into the expanded German territories, mainly the annexed parts of Poland like the Warthegau. These people came from the Baltic states, Volhynia, Galicia, Bessarabia, Bukovina, Romania, Yugoslavia, and parts of the Soviet Union.

Between 1939 and 1944 they moved hundreds of thousands of people (official figures run from about 600,000 to 870,000, with some estimates higher). We still have the paperwork: transport lists with names, naturalization files (the EWZ records covering more than two million individuals), farm-allocation lists, property inventories, camp records, and citizenship documents. These files are sitting in German, Polish, and American archives. The settlers got land, houses, jobs, and citizenship. Their descendants are still around, and there are postwar records of them.

Deniers claim the Jews deported to the East were “resettled” the same way. But look at the difference. For Heim ins Reich there is a mountain of ordinary bureaucratic paperwork—names, origins, destinations, house assignments, naturalizations, property lists, the works. For the Jews sent East there is nothing like it
Since the Heim ins Reich program was about repatriation and the Final Solution was about mass expulsion, the Soviet de-Germanization of Eastern Europe is a more accurate parallel than the Heim ins Reich program and no Establishment/exterminationist/antirevisionist historian still counts the six million Germans who reportedly "vanished from the earth" during that process (according to the Zionist and treacherous 1st chancellor of postwar Germany) as dead, far from it. Blatant double standards. Undocumented doesn't mean nonexistent, as demonstrated by the chaotic resettlement of those expelled Germans in 1945-46.

Image

Moreover, all the archives in the resettlement areas of the Final Solution fell into the hands of the Soviets, that is, under the total control of a regime whose war propaganda was largely based on the alleged massacre of many millions of jews and others by the "fascist enemy" and which therefore had no good reason to preserve and store documents that demolished the myth of Comrade Stalin's Great Patriotic War.

Image

Image
"Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures."
b
borjastick
Posts: 394
Joined: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:49 am
Location: Europe

Re: My presentation

Post by borjastick »

bombsaway wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:31 pm
borjastick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 2:59 pm Oh and your claim that the holocaust is the most documented event in history is pure schoolboy shite.
You guys really this line lol

he said: "No genocide is better documented than the Holocaust."

And that's true, it is the best documented, by a long shot.
Weasel words my boy weasel words.

The oft used claim is that the holocaust is the world's most documented event. He has shaved a little off that to say 'genocide' instead. But you miss the point. It is the word 'documented' that is at play here. 'Documented' gives an air of authority and credibility where it is not correct to say so. Just because masses has been written about the holocaust does not make it 'documented' it makes it written about. No more factual or credible just because lots was written on the matter.

Here's how you could phrase what I am saying 'The holocaust is arguably the most written about event in recent human history but that doesn't alter the fact that many credible and genuine questions are still raised today about the truth of the claims surrounding it'.
Of the four million jews under German control, six million died and five million survived!
G
Gonzalo
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2026 12:15 pm

Re: My presentation

Post by Gonzalo »

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 amSo it looks like your only argument is where-did-they-go. You cite an example of another migration as a point of comparison and implicitly assume that this other example represents a minimum amount of documentation that must exist for any migration. But why?
1) It is not “just another migration.” It was a massive resettlement program that DID take place and was carried out by the Nazis to Germanize Poland. In this case, we have documents, photographs, testimonies, inventories, and records. If Jews were resettled in a manner similar to the Volksdeutsches, why is there not a single piece of evidence, testimony, or account to support it? Did none of these Jews want to speak about their experiences in the Jewish colonies in the Russian East? It doesn’t make sense.

2) because the “Heim ins Reich” program demonstrates just how bureaucratic and meticulous the Nazi state was and how it constituted a genuine resettlement of the population. The question is simple: Why is there evidence of Germans resettled in Poland, yet not a single piece of evidence of Jews resettled in the East? Furthermore. There are other questions that remain unanswered: if the Jews were partisans [or potential partisans], Bolsheviks, usurers, subversives, and a host of other negative labels, what was the point of giving them their own settlement in the midst of a war with the USSR? Why take them to the Russian East and not use them as slave labor at a time when Germany desperately needed to increase its war production if it wanted to win the war? What was the opportunity cost of the resettlement from the Nazi perspective? Where were they going to resettle them? Were they going to expel Ukrainians and Belarusians from their homes to give them to the Jews?
Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 amLet me flip your argument around. Why should we focus on migration when in theory it should be far easier to investigate the so-called extermination sites directly? It seems you are avoiding a more direct investigation in favor a very indirect argument.
Investigations have already been conducted, and everyone has concluded that the Jews who were sent there perished.

If they didn't die and we were deceived by Allied/Soviet/Jewish propaganda, where are they? Can you explain their disappearance?
Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 amIf ~3,000,000 Jews were really executed at just a handful of camps, it should be fairly straightforward to confirm this.
Isn't the Höfle telegram enough proof of that?
Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 amAnd that is precisely what revisionists focus on. A direct investigation of these sites reveals (among other things):

-Fake gas chambers
Which gas chambers were fake, and why?
Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 am-No mass graves commensurate with the claimed death toll
Mass graves and skeletal remains were found. Not all of the dead, however, because the Nazis burned the vast majority of them.
Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 am-Impossibly high implied cremation rates
Impossible? According to whom? Roberto Muehlenkamp did an excellent job refuting Mattogno's claims regarding the plausibility of mass cremations.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... y.html?m=1
Archie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 3:09 amAnd when we look into the evidentiary basis for these mass extermination claims we see it is based almost entirely on testimonies, most of which are fall apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Rudolf Hoess
viewtopic.php?t=803
Jankiel Wiernik
viewtopic.php?t=525
Rudolf Vrba
viewtopic.php?t=69
Kula and Tauber
viewtopic.php?t=774
And are the testimonies of Germans like Erwin Lambert also false?
Post Reply