Operation Reinhardt staff and the T4 connection

[Nessie]

What, did you find a tank engine?

No?

A piece of tile the?

Ah, then it was obviously steam chambers, just like the witnesses said. Good call Nessie, I can pack it all up and go home now. Nothing more to say.

Everybody was steamed to death like lobsters everyone, at treblinka, all 6,000,000 of them. Or was it 26,000,000. I'll have to check with pravda.

This thread is about the connection between T4 and AR staff. The connection is proven. It is significant, because it is circumstantial evidence that the two actions were similar. It is a universal working practice, to hire staff with experience, especially when something is specialist. Working, even as a driver, on actions that involve the mass killing of people, is not a job that many could stomach, or be prepared to do.

[Stubble]

No Nessie, what's proven is that the gas chamber experience gleaned in operation t4, and the gas Van's used in t4, were forgotten when these people were transferred to Poland as they had to reinvent the wheel.

Also, Nessie, there is no physical evidence. I'm told that's because of 'Aktion 1005'.

A lady did find some shower tiles at the treblinka II site though...

[Nessie]

No Nessie, what's proven is that the gas chamber experience gleaned in operation t4, and the gas Van's used in t4, were forgotten when these people were transferred to Poland as they had to reinvent the wheel.

Bottled CO was piped into a room inside a hospital building for T4 and engines were used to pipe gas into chambers, inside buildings purpose built for the operation. That is hardly re-inventing the wheel.

Also, Nessie, there is no physical evidence. I'm told that's because of 'Aktion 1005'.

A lady did find some shower tiles at the treblinka II site though...

Your comments betray revisionist misjudgement and lack of understanding of evidencing. You say there is no physical evidence and then you show that you know there is physical evidence.

[Stubble]

Nessie, do you seriously not see how reinventing the gas van after apparently using the gas van after trying a series of other methods is reinventing the wheel?

You actually don't, honestly, see the problem here?

So far as tile goes, I have tile in my shower, is it a homicidal gas chamber?

[Nessie]

Nessie, do you seriously not see how reinventing the gas van after apparently using the gas van after trying a series of other methods is reinventing the wheel?

You actually don't, honestly, see the problem here?

No, I do not see the problem with different methods being utilised for gassings. Your default is to find problems, to feed your disbelief.

So far as tile goes, I have tile in my shower, is it a homicidal gas chamber?

A tile is physical evidence. Is a tile proof you have a shower?

[Stubble]

So far as tile goes, I have tile in my shower, is it a homicidal gas chamber?

A tile is physical evidence. Is a tile proof you have a shower?

Go have you a biscuit, you've earned it.

[Nazgul]

Johann Niemann- another fellow involved with cremation. This fellow was a corpse burner during t4. He apparently had an affinity for having coats stolen from dead jews tailored to fit, and, as a result he was murder during the sobibor uprising with an axe during an alteration. Oh, he was also in charge of the 'killing facility' at the camp.

From Britanicca.
T4 Program, Nazi German effort—framed as a euthanasia program—to kill incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people. Adolf Hitler initiated the program in 1939, and, while it was officially discontinued in 1941, killings continued covertly until the military defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945
The scheme continued and operated under the Concentration Camps Inspector and the Reichsführer-SS under the name "Sonderbehandlung 14f13". The combination of numbers and letters was derived from the SS record-keeping system, 14 for the Concentration Camps Inspector, f for the German word deaths (Todesfälle) and 13 for the cause of death. 14f13 While it is claimed that gas was used, it is clear from the Sobibor survivors that the decrepit were shot.

Sophia Huisman stated: The elderly and disabled were loaded onto dump trucks and driven to the well-shielded Lager III where they were shot... Dutch Survivors There are many assumptions made by those people regarding those they never saw again, which fits in with the rampant propaganda in circulation amongst the Jews every where in Europe.

Only two kind of people wearing SS Uniform did not wear the SS rune on the lapel; Gestapo (SD) and T4 personnel. The man standing next to Johann Niemann (the officer) in the image below is not wearing a rune on his right lapel; he does not have the letters SD on his left arm, so is not Gestapo. This makes him T4. As the Sicherheitspolizei were a combination of Gestapo and Kripo, they would also not wear SS runes on the lapel. As Niemann is wearing the runes he is not T4. Only authorized personnel were legally allowed to administer euthanasia to avoid the wrath of Blutrichter Konrad Morgan who authorized the execution of Karl-Otto Koch, the commandant of Buchenwald for murder.

[Stubble]

Were all SS-TV by extension t4 personnel?

The SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV), also known as the Death's Head Units, was a major branch of the Nazi Party's paramilitary Schutzstaffel (SS) organization. It was responsible for administering Nazi concentration camps and extermination camps throughout Nazi Germany and later in occupied Europe.



Is this guy at Mauthausen, t4?

[Nazgul]

Is this guy at Mauthausen, t4?

No, as he is wearing the deaths head rune on his lapel, that makes him SS konzentrationslager staff.

[Stubble]

So, 3 kind of people, Gestapo, camp personnel and t4. Well, 4, you've also got fellas like his guys



Georg Bochmann

[Stubble]

Oh shit, I see it Mr Wraith, I apologize, the fella with the dog, his lapel is blank.

It isn't that he isn't wearing block bolts, he has nothing there. Dead black felt.

My bad.

[Nazgul]

Oh shit, I see it Mr Wraith, I apologize, the fella with the dog, his lapel is blank.

It isn't that he isn't wearing block bolts, he has nothing there. Dead black felt.

My bad.

The officer is deputy commander ᛋᛋ-Untersturmführer commander Johann Niemann who was murdered 14 October 1943. Niemann was killed in the tailor's barracks with an axe to his head by Alexander Shubayev, a Jewish Red Army soldier imprisoned at Sobibor. Alexander Aronowicz Pechersky. a Jewish Soviet officer led the revolt. It begs the question why the German authorities allowed such dangerous men to roam free in any camp.

[Nazgul]

Oh shit, I see it Mr Wraith, I apologize, the fella with the dog, his lapel is blank.

It isn't that he isn't wearing block bolts, he has nothing there. Dead black felt.

My bad.

Compare that to the Gestapo officer below. The secret state police were detectives but outside Germany needed to wear uniform to avoid being shot by the Feldgendarmerie (Military police)


The following SiPo (sicherheitspolizei) officer is Erich Priebke.