Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

[SanityCheck]

I have no doubt, given time, either of us could find these jews. Problem is, you aren't, and haven't been, looking.

Incorrect. I've been looking for over a quarter of a century, one way or another. In the Greater German Reich (where the 1944-45 KZs and subcamps were), in Poland, in the occupied Soviet Union.

As a historian, you have an ethical responsibility to insure that what educators feed the children is true. Instead, our history books are full of lies, deceptions and misrepresentations. This leads directly to people like me.

I don't agree that all history books are "full of lies, deceptions and misrepresentations". Critically assessing different histories is the job in teaching and studying history at tertiary level.

It's not my job to devise history curricula for Key Stage 4 in the run-up to GCSEs, that's two whole levels down from where I'm at. I was introduced to critically assessing and comparing histories at the next stage up, A Levels (= Key Stage 5), at school, when I was no longer a child but a teenager. Current sixth formers seem to be getting that as well today, even though university is still a big leap up.

I've certainly had no input into curricula in whatever US state you went to school, blame someone else.

You also don't address the legal enforcement of these lies. Free inquiry is an imperative in a civilized society. The totalitarian state of affairs that currently exists is incompatible with the basic human freedom to think.

There's no 'legal enforcement' in your society or mine. You can think what you like and make all the enquiries you like ('do your own research'). As you know, that's now even easier, because of digitisation; it certainly makes teaching and studying easier.

It's true that revisionism hasn't been accepted in fact-finding venues (academic disciplines, journalism, courts, government and parliamentary inquiries), but it turns out that saying something didn't happen is a lot less helpful that saying something did happen, and proving it.

[Stubble]

Nick,

If you keep showing kids pictures of Nordhausen and videos of the showers at Majdanek and footage of Bergen Belsen as proof of 'the nazi genocide of 6,000,000 jews', you are going to keep seeing people like me. In the information superage, you are going to see more of us.

I still argue that knowing better you have an ethical obligation to see that the some semblance of truth is told.

I'm going to go grab a link for a pdf to the first textbook that was shown to me that covered this subject, and if you find some time, I'd like you to read the few pages. It's surprising the number of lies that managed to shoe horn into so few words Sir.

Perhaps you and I are looking in different spots. I keep finding jews. The problem I have is demonstrating where a particular cohort came from and if I am 'double counting'. I need to find a way to filter my aggregate.

[SanityCheck]

Nick,

If you keep showing kids pictures of Nordhausen and videos of the showers at Majdanek and footage of Bergen Belsen as proof of 'the nazi genocide of 6,000,000 jews', you are going to keep seeing people like me. In the information superage, you are going to see more of us.

You're confusing me with your high school teacher, and also muddling up parts and whole, which is apparently what your high school teacher was doing.

I still argue that knowing better you have an ethical obligation to see that the some semblance of truth is told.

Well, duh, yes, that is why we work up to engage with the sources in history, in a framework of studying more than one theme, with tutors moderating each other's coursework, and thus seeing how evidence varies over time and space.

I evidently need to elaborate on why the 'Holocaust Handbooks' are so irrelevant to this process. Firstly, they say nothing about other genocides or outbreaks of mass violence in the modern era, much less earlier. Yet I supervise research projects on these themes all the time, or advise on them as a consultant. In the past few weeks I've discussed the Holodomor, Vietnam, the Russian Civil War, and will be discussing the Armenian genocide, with students; in previous years, Rwanda, the Irish famine, the Great Leap Forward and much else.

Secondly, they're irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of NS/Holocaust topics that come up on my courses or with research projects and dissertations. This year's class have picked 54 topics for source essays and source presentations; 26 concern Poland, 28 concern the Soviet Union, 20 of these in all looked at Poles, Soviet POWs or non-Jewish Soviet civilians, 34 at Holocaust themes. Of those most of the themes and places still aren't addressed in the 'Holocaust Handbooks'.

I'm going to go grab a link for a pdf to the first textbook that was shown to me that covered this subject, and if you find some time, I'd like you to read the few pages. It's surprising the number of lies that managed to shoe horn into so few words Sir.

Please do, letting me know the year/level it was aimed at. I've seen mostly sixth form/A Level textbooks from the UK, which often annoy me with simplifications about the Third Reich and Holocaust, but they haven't contained gross errors as far as I could see.

Perhaps you and I are looking in different spots. I keep finding jews. The problem I have is demonstrating where a particular cohort came from and if I am 'double counting'. I need to find a way to filter my aggregate.

I await your results. Let's see if you misinterpreted, double-counted, came across something already known and accounted for, or found something genuinely new.

[Stubble]

No Nick,

I confused you with someone who cared about history, and how it is imparted to people. That's obviously my mistake. Apologies.

Regarding the textbook, I may have to go to a library and scan the relevant pages. It doesn't seem to be preserved online in a pdf format.

It seems a better thing to do may he to just post up the k-5 curriculum in a new thread, good lord. I'll go through and highlight the highlights. Apparently the state had decided not to show atrocity pornography to 4th graders anymore (the first naked woman I ever saw, was in a pile of corpses in 4th grade). Apparently, they hold that till grade 6 now... k-5 has some, interesting choices.

Regarding my project, it will take time Boss. For one thing, I'm not done with 'phase 1' research yet. You might be aware, there's, a lot to go through...