Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Nessie]

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Okay…? If Mattogno has taken Łukaszkiewicz out of context— then I expect a citation on a refutation.

It is you who have taken Lukaszkiewicz out of context, quote mining his comment about mass graves.

At least I have evidence of hundreds of thousands arriving at the camp, being killed and buried, so I can say there is at least 700,000 dead, based on evidence.

Where is evidence to the presence of mass graves inside Treblinka, which can accommodate 700,000 corpses?

“According to the witness E. Rosenberg, who is the sole person to give 'exact' details, the mass graves measured 120 m x 15 m x 6 m, which, if one assumes a top layer of 0.5 m, gives an effective volume of (120×15x5.5=) 9,900 m2. Consequently, each grave could contain (9,900×8=) 79,200 bodies, (which agrees almost exactly with the Düsseldorf Court)
In accordance with this, if 860,000 bodies were really buried in Treblinka before their cremation, there must have been (860,000÷79,200=) 11 graves of this size, the total surface area of which amounted to (120 × 15 × 11 = 19,800 m2.”

Do you understand what constitutes evidence? You ask for evidence, and then you quote one of the eyewitnesses, who makes up part of the evidence. The evidence for the burial of c850,000 corpses at TII comes from;

1 - eyewitnesses who worked at the camp who describe mass graves
2 - circumstantial evidence of mass transports to the camp, without corresponding mass departures
3 - archaeological and forensic evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains
4 - photos showing large areas of disturbed ground containing human remains.

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Okay…? If Mattogno has taken Łukaszkiewicz out of context— then I expect a citation on a refutation.

It is you who have taken Lukaszkiewicz out of context, quote mining his comment about mass graves.

At least I have evidence of hundreds of thousands arriving at the camp, being killed and buried, so I can say there is at least 700,000 dead, based on evidence.

Where is evidence to the presence of mass graves inside Treblinka, which can accommodate 700,000 corpses?

“According to the witness E. Rosenberg, who is the sole person to give 'exact' details, the mass graves measured 120 m x 15 m x 6 m, which, if one assumes a top layer of 0.5 m, gives an effective volume of (120×15x5.5=) 9,900 m2. Consequently, each grave could contain (9,900×8=) 79,200 bodies, (which agrees almost exactly with the Düsseldorf Court)
In accordance with this, if 860,000 bodies were really buried in Treblinka before their cremation, there must have been (860,000÷79,200=) 11 graves of this size, the total surface area of which amounted to (120 × 15 × 11 = 19,800 m2.”

Do you understand what constitutes evidence? You ask for evidence, and then you quote one of the eyewitnesses, who makes up part of the evidence. The evidence for the burial of c850,000 corpses at TII comes from;

1 - eyewitnesses who worked at the camp who describe mass graves
2 - circumstantial evidence of mass transports to the camp, without corresponding mass departures
3 - archaeological and forensic evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains
4 - photos showing large areas of disturbed ground containing human remains.

I can't help but notice that evidence of the alleged mass graves doesn't come from GPR/LIDAR surveys of the camp Nessie.

Can you tell me why it isn't evidence that twice the population of liverpool were buried at Treblinka II?

[joshk246]

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Okay…? If Mattogno has taken Łukaszkiewicz out of context— then I expect a citation on a refutation.

It is you who have taken Lukaszkiewicz out of context, quote mining his comment about mass graves.

At least I have evidence of hundreds of thousands arriving at the camp, being killed and buried, so I can say there is at least 700,000 dead, based on evidence.

Where is evidence to the presence of mass graves inside Treblinka, which can accommodate 700,000 corpses?

“According to the witness E. Rosenberg, who is the sole person to give 'exact' details, the mass graves measured 120 m x 15 m x 6 m, which, if one assumes a top layer of 0.5 m, gives an effective volume of (120×15x5.5=) 9,900 m2. Consequently, each grave could contain (9,900×8=) 79,200 bodies, (which agrees almost exactly with the Düsseldorf Court)
In accordance with this, if 860,000 bodies were really buried in Treblinka before their cremation, there must have been (860,000÷79,200=) 11 graves of this size, the total surface area of which amounted to (120 × 15 × 11 = 19,800 m2.”

Do you understand what constitutes evidence? You ask for evidence, and then you quote one of the eyewitnesses, who makes up part of the evidence. The evidence for the burial of c850,000 corpses at TII comes from;

1 - eyewitnesses who worked at the camp who describe mass graves
2 - circumstantial evidence of mass transports to the camp, without corresponding mass departures
3 - archaeological and forensic evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains
4 - photos showing large areas of disturbed ground containing human remains.

It is you who have taken Lukaszkiewicz out of context, quote mining his comment about mass graves.

Yawn.. I sent his report in full context about 15 posts ago. Are you going to spam fallacy like usual?

Do you understand what constitutes evidence?

Do you?
Lukaszkiewicz‘s “evidence”, for what it’s even worth, doesn’t show anywhere near what is claimed.
Eyewitnesses describe graves which cannot physically accommodate 700,000 bodies
Point me to where graves that can accommodate 700,000 people are.

[Nessie]

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Do you understand what constitutes evidence? You ask for evidence, and then you quote one of the eyewitnesses, who makes up part of the evidence. The evidence for the burial of c850,000 corpses at TII comes from;

1 - eyewitnesses who worked at the camp who describe mass graves
2 - circumstantial evidence of mass transports to the camp, without corresponding mass departures
3 - archaeological and forensic evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains
4 - photos showing large areas of disturbed ground containing human remains.

I can't help but notice that evidence of the alleged mass graves doesn't come from GPR/LIDAR surveys of the camp Nessie.

Can you tell me why it isn't evidence that twice the population of liverpool were buried at Treblinka II?

See 3 - archaeological evidence, for GPR and other geophysical survey work.

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

"Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death
Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large
enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say
that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable
size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 – 22m
x c.15m, G53 – c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m). Given their
location in the area thought to contain most of the mass graves and their proximity
to the memorial, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent further
disposals. Similarly, they appear too large to be a result of post-war looting activity.
Similarly, to the west of the memorial in this area a further feature was identified
that was also bisected by the concrete (G36). This feature was shown to be
rectilinear in plan within the GPR results and is located in the area believed to have
contained graves and, as noted by many witnesses, the cremation pyres."

What were the Nazis burying in pits that big? The memorial covers most of the area, so plenty more space for pits under it, in the part of the camp eyewitnesses stated the main mass graves were located. That is where the population of Liverpool x2, was buried.

[Nessie]

...Do you understand what constitutes evidence?

Do you?
Lukaszkiewicz‘s “evidence”, for what it’s even worth, doesn’t show anywhere near what is claimed.
Eyewitnesses describe graves which cannot physically accommodate 700,000 bodies
Point me to where graves that can accommodate 700,000 people are.

I think the area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, identified by the 1945 Polish survey, is easily enough to accommodate grave space for 700,000 plus corpses. To see some of the graves, look up the link at pages 207 to 219, and in particular, figures 4.29 and 4.34.

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

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...Do you understand what constitutes evidence?

Do you?
Lukaszkiewicz‘s “evidence”, for what it’s even worth, doesn’t show anywhere near what is claimed.
Eyewitnesses describe graves which cannot physically accommodate 700,000 bodies
Point me to where graves that can accommodate 700,000 people are.

I think the area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, identified by the 1945 Polish survey, is easily enough to accommodate grave space for 700,000 plus corpses. To see some of the graves, look up the link at pages 207 to 219, and in particular, figures 4.29 and 4.34.

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

This lie again Nessie? Are you seriously trotting this turd into the punch bowl again?

Are, you, claiming, this, area, as, a, mass, grave?

Are, you, claiming, a, grave, space, equivalent, to, 56, Olympic, swimming, pool?

Or aren't you?

You are never going to stop with this misrepresentation, are you...

Even after you get caught out on it, repeatedly.

[Nessie]

Do you?
Lukaszkiewicz‘s “evidence”, for what it’s even worth, doesn’t show anywhere near what is claimed.
Eyewitnesses describe graves which cannot physically accommodate 700,000 bodies
Point me to where graves that can accommodate 700,000 people are.

I think the area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, identified by the 1945 Polish survey, is easily enough to accommodate grave space for 700,000 plus corpses. To see some of the graves, look up the link at pages 207 to 219, and in particular, figures 4.29 and 4.34.

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

This lie again Nessie? Are you seriously trotting this turd into the punch bowl again?

Are, you, claiming, this, area, as, a, mass, grave?

Are, you, claiming, a, grave, space, equivalent, to, 56, Olympic, swimming, pool?

Or aren't you?

You are never going to stop with this misrepresentation, are you...

Even after you get caught out on it, repeatedly.

The 2 hectares, up to 7m deep is the overall area, WITHIN which, the main mass graves are located. The mass graves DO NOT take up the entire 2 hectare area. The 2011 survey, identified 6 graves WITHIN that area, most of which is covered by the main part of the memorial.

[Stubble]

Then stop lying and saying the grave space is 2 hectares by 7m deep. Jesus.

[bombsaway]

Do you?
Lukaszkiewicz‘s “evidence”, for what it’s even worth, doesn’t show anywhere near what is claimed.
Eyewitnesses describe graves which cannot physically accommodate 700,000 bodies
Point me to where graves that can accommodate 700,000 people are.

I think the area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, identified by the 1945 Polish survey, is easily enough to accommodate grave space for 700,000 plus corpses. To see some of the graves, look up the link at pages 207 to 219, and in particular, figures 4.29 and 4.34.

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

This lie again Nessie? Are you seriously trotting this turd into the punch bowl again?

Are, you, claiming, this, area, as, a, mass, grave?

Are, you, claiming, a, grave, space, equivalent, to, 56, Olympic, swimming, pool?

Or aren't you?

You are never going to stop with this misrepresentation, are you...

Even after you get caught out on it, repeatedly.

He's not lying, he's just confused and has made an error in parsing Lukaszkiewicz's report . The 7 meters and the 2 hectares are different things.

You guys could just talk to me instead. That sounds petty, I'm sorry Nessie, I know you're trying!

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The alleged grave space is bad enough, to continue to try to cling to 850,000 victims is untenable.

The truth about what happened there, whatever that was, should be sufficient for holocaustians. Instead, the orthodoxy continues to insist on the lie.

it's 6,000,000 or you are an antisemitic racist nazi bigot.

I for one would like to know what happened at Treblinka and during the events referred to as 'the holocaust' as a whole.

The planned extermination of the jews of Europe in death camps designed exclusively for this purpose is not supported by the evidence.

The victims don't fit guys. I'd say that a reevaluation is in order, but, that's never going to happen. Just a bunch of wriggling, handwaving and misrepresenting.

People died during ww2. jews died during ww2. Some jews were executed during ww2. Personally, I think that people deemed partisans were executed at Treblinka II. It is also my opinion that people who died of attrition were buried there. I also think that the order to exhume and burn the bodies was executed to preserve the water table after the contamination at Auschwitz from the mass grave.

This operation was sanitary in nature and not to 'destroy evidence'. I feel that history will bear me out on this if a proper archeological investigation is ever conducted as remains consistent with the Kola Study will be found, although not in numbers that support the current narrative.

This will lead into the 'where'd they go' question. I will rebut again that jews went where jews are.

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The alleged grave space is bad enough, to continue to try to cling to 850,000 victims is untenable.

The truth about what happened there, whatever that was, should be sufficient for holocaustians. Instead, the orthodoxy continues to insist on the lie.

How do you know there couldn't possibly be enough grave space? What about Lukaszkiewicz's report makes it dubious or whatever?

[Nessie]

Then stop lying and saying the grave space is 2 hectares by 7m deep. Jesus.

I didn't, I said it an area "easily enough to accommodate grave space".

[Stubble]

Then stop lying and saying the grave space is 2 hectares by 7m deep. Jesus.

I didn't, I said it an area "easily enough to accommodate grave space".

So is the moon. Were the victims buried on the moon?

The area is sufficient for there to possibly be grave space there...

[Stubble]

The alleged grave space is bad enough, to continue to try to cling to 850,000 victims is untenable.

The truth about what happened there, whatever that was, should be sufficient for holocaustians. Instead, the orthodoxy continues to insist on the lie.

How do you know there couldn't possibly be enough grave space? What about Lukaszkiewicz's report makes it dubious or whatever?

Question 1, answer, because it isn't there. I refer you again, to the GPR/LIDAR data and the CSC thesis on the subject, which is linked in various threads on this matter on the forum, over and over again, by Nessie. I ask that you, you know, look at it...

Question 2, answer, this merits a new thread. An entire book could be written on this man alone and only concerning Treblinka. That he insisted that pravda be slightly more believable than the original narrative in no way means what he said is gospel. It was slightly more believable pravda.

'Fangers poem 'missing Bob' comes to mind here...

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... bob#p10061