Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[borjastick]

HC Blog says "42 sites" - i inferred 1 site = 1 pit, rather than 1 site = 1 sample.

Agreed we need more - Nessie any insights here?

So they find positive results in only 13.8% of all holes dug and these holes were between 1 inch and 3 metres deep. Not very convincing is it and even then we don't know what they dug up.

[bombsaway]

Collection and disposal of the dead.

Because I don't know and can only venture a guess.

No, in no way related.

But definitely not burning. Even the one pit we can see smoking is pretty large, can't make out of its different than the others.

I think the pictures don't definitively prove they were all burning pits, but they are massive. Even if for mere collection they're barrack sized enough to fit hundreds of bodies when not nearly that many were dying at Auschwitz at the time. Your hypothesis is unconvincing to me, and you go further than this by suggesting no other hypothesis even works.


Not related , and you know that for sure though?

It sure is a long trip, what was he doing there anyway?

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... m=1#_doc62

[Stubble]

Too bad I can't interview Hosse about them.

There had just been an uprising and it is my opinion they were considering that they may have needed to liquidate the camp if such behavior continued. Hence plenty of ground storage just in case.

That would also telegraph a message to the internees, do it, and we have a spot for you right over here...

The pits are virtually empty, and so, were certainly oversized.

Judging from the date of the trip, I'm going to venture a guess this was to weigh expenditure cost for open air vs crematoria with regard to efficiency and thoroughness.

[Keen]

While it is true that much physical evidence doesn't exist, many would argue that it was because the Nazis destroyed the evidence to conceal their crimes, there is still significant physical evidence that has been recovered and studied extensively by historians, forensic experts, and archaeologists.

CJ, let's see the "significant physical evidence that has been recovered and studied extensively by forensic experts and archaeologists" that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the 100 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of B, C, P, S & TII actually exist and contain the remains of at least 2 people.

CJ,

V - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; If 100 graves contained the bones and teeth of 2.1 million people - then each grave would contain, on average, the remains of 21,000 people - ??

VI - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Blacks Law Dictionary defines - Burden of Proof - as: “The necessity or duty of affirmatively proving a fact or facts in dispute on an issue raised between the parties in a cause.” - ??

VII - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The maxims of law found in Bouvier's Law Dictionary include: “The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him.” - and - “The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not he who denies.” - ??

[bombsaway]

Too bad I can't interview Hosse about them.

There had just been an uprising and it is my opinion they were considering that they may have needed to liquidate the camp if such behavior continued. Hence plenty of ground storage just in case.

That would also telegraph a message to the internees, do it, and we have a spot for you right over here...

The pits are virtually empty, and so, were certainly oversized.

I don't think you can say this, the photos aren't clear enough. You are precluding possibilities here that I don't think you can. The photos don't disprove the witness testimony about massive burning pits, corroborate it in some ways, though not definitively.

Here's another data point for you, they had a thousand people working at the crema day and night for months https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... s.html?m=1

[Keen]

Evidence that the Nazi's Destroyed Evidence...

Ah yes, the "magically disappearing jew" theory again.

CJ, could you please explain how it was possible for the Germans to "magically disappear" the remains of over 2.1 million jews and tens of thousands of non jews at B, C, P, S & TII?

[Keen]

The convergence of evidence from documents, witness accounts, archaeological findings, and photographs paints a consistent and coherent picture of mass extermination during the Holocaust

CJ, the Ipso facto / convergence of the lack of physical evidence method trumps your sophistic convergence of evidence / magically disappearing jew method.

But of course if you disagree, you can always present evidence of the existence of a "huge mass grave" at B, C, P, S or TII that contains more human remains than this grave:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11 ... 391739.jpg

or accept the challenge made on this site:

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

[ConfusedJew]

You say:

You can't be 100% certain about anything.

Are you 100% certain about that?

Let me clarify, because this is a very deep philosophical concept and my wording was a bit off.

In the philosophy and epistemology, certainty is split into different types:

Logically, you can be certain about mathematical truths, tautologies, and self evident truths.

Empirically, you can never be 100% certain about anything derived from observation or experience because it's always based on induction which is inherently certain. Our senses and tools for measuring things are inherently imperfect and may be flawed.

Psychologically, you can feel 100% certain emotionally, but you might be wrong still. People can feel completely convinced of things that are false.

So I was not fully accurate when I said that you can be 100% certain about anything. You can not be 100% certain about any historical, empirical, or scientifically observed fact.

Does that help?

Maybe you feel emotionally sure that the Holocaust never happened but facts don't care about your feelings!!! I'm like 99.999% sure that it happened but I'm sufficiently self aware, intellectually honest, and emotionally stable to know that it's definitely not impossible that there was a grand conspiracy to create a global hoax.

What do you think?

[ConfusedJew]

CJ, let's see the "significant physical evidence that has been recovered and studied extensively by forensic experts and archaeologists" that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the 100 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of B, C, P, S & TII actually exist and contain the remains of at least 2 people.

CJ,

V - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; If 100 graves contained the bones and teeth of 2.1 million people - then each grave would contain, on average, the remains of 21,000 people - ??

VI - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Blacks Law Dictionary defines - Burden of Proof - as: “The necessity or duty of affirmatively proving a fact or facts in dispute on an issue raised between the parties in a cause.” - ??

VII - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The maxims of law found in Bouvier's Law Dictionary include: “The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him.” - and - “The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not he who denies.” - ??

I don't have an intelligent answer for you on this right now. That is not an evasion or a dodge. I simply need to do more research on the forensics of archaeological research. I am not a forensic scientist or archaeologist by background so I need to develop those skills to be able to discuss with you.

I have a feeling that you aren't either, but you seem very emotionally confident in your knowledge of this area which is funny to me. I will get back to you on that.

I will get back to you sooner and VI and VII though because that I can answer, I just haven't thought about it yet.

[Stubble]

Too bad I can't interview Hosse about them.

There had just been an uprising and it is my opinion they were considering that they may have needed to liquidate the camp if such behavior continued. Hence plenty of ground storage just in case.

That would also telegraph a message to the internees, do it, and we have a spot for you right over here...

The pits are virtually empty, and so, were certainly oversized.

I don't think you can say this, the photos aren't clear enough. You are precluding possibilities here that I don't think you can. The photos don't disprove the witness testimony about massive burning pits, corroborate it in some ways, though not definitively.

Here's another data point for you, they had a thousand people working at the crema day and night for months https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... s.html?m=1

Next you'll be telling me about dump trucks full of babies being unloaded with pitchforks into lakes and rivers of fire...

('Night')

Thank you for the link, I've got some reading to do.

Regardless, I can indeed say those are not burning pits, let me see if I can get you a higher rez version, that one is comparatively low rez compared with some of the file copies of the original that are available.

I'm kind of surprised, I've seen better shots from wikicomons before.

[bombsaway]

Too bad I can't interview Hosse about them.

There had just been an uprising and it is my opinion they were considering that they may have needed to liquidate the camp if such behavior continued. Hence plenty of ground storage just in case.

That would also telegraph a message to the internees, do it, and we have a spot for you right over here...

The pits are virtually empty, and so, were certainly oversized.

I don't think you can say this, the photos aren't clear enough. You are precluding possibilities here that I don't think you can. The photos don't disprove the witness testimony about massive burning pits, corroborate it in some ways, though not definitively.

Here's another data point for you, they had a thousand people working at the crema day and night for months https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... s.html?m=1

Next you'll be telling me about dump trucks full of babies being unloaded with pitchforks into lakes and rivers of fire...

('Night')

Thank you for the link, I've got some reading to do.

Regardless, I can indeed say those are not burning pits, let me see if I can get you a higher rez version, that one is comparatively low rez compared with some of the file copies of the original that are available.

I'm kind of surprised, I've seen better shots from wikicomons before.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... s.html?m=1

This has a picture of the pits with no smoke


https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/i ... rema45.png

I think it's insane (for lack of a better of a better word) to say that the pit that was smoking was used for burning bodies but the others weren't based on the photographic evidence

[Stubble]

Why, was there any smoke coming from them?

Did they have a coal bed in them?

Was anything other than a small pile of what I take to be human bodies in them?

Out of the slit trenches, how many had anything in them?

I think it's insane to assume they were anything other than collection and disposal pits, given the evidence.

[bombsaway]

Why, was there any smoke coming from them?

Did they have a coal bed in them?

Was anything other than a small pile of what I take to be human bodies in them?

Out of the slit trenches, how many had anything in them?

I think it's insane to assume they were anything other than collection and disposal pits, given the evidence.

The photos aren't high res enough for us to ascertain these things.

We see enormous "objects" behind Crema IV and V - one of which you say was a pit used for burning , but it doesn't look different than the other objects.

Humans are too small to be seen in these photos

[Stubble]

We can start with the fact that it is roughly 1/3rd the size of the pits that aren't on fire. There's also, you know, the smoke coming from it. Now consider the fact that the other pits, aren't burning.

Like I said, those pics are garbage resolution. I haven't reached out to get any higher rez ones for you. Higher rez copies are out there though.

[bombsaway]

We can start with the fact that it is roughly 1/3rd the size of the pits that aren't on fire. There's also, you know, the smoke coming from it. Now consider the fact that the other pits, aren't burning.

Like I said, those pics are garbage resolution. I haven't reached out to get any higher rez ones for you. Higher rez copies are out there though.

And the higher rez ones show a clear difference aside from the size? Or is that your only argument why the others couldn't have been used for burning?