Majdanek this and that

[Fred Ziffel]

The Soviets claimed they were discovered in B52 with the unused cans of Zyklon. The archive people at Majdanek told me:

1. they found 5 cylinders of CO. But do not know where they went to, they cannot find them. uh huh! The Soviets could have paraded those tanks down the streets of Europe if they did exist. When I asked the Majdanek Archive as to why there are CO2 tanks in Rm 14. I got a nasty graham reply, and since then they will not answer my inquiries.

2. The two cylinders came from the camp casino to carbonate drinks

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Look toward the end of my presentation where the Germans are being questioned by the Soviets about the evil goings on inside Majdanek. You see a can of Zyklon B on the table, but where is a cylinder of CO to inquire about?? If they used that also for a murder weapon? Slide taken from video, the old man even pointed to it and said it was the murder weapon. He was hung on Dec 3, 1944

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I demonstrated in the presentation that it would have been easier to sucker the world with a CO gas shower than a Zyklon HCN shower since CO gas would be under tremendous pressure. I do not think the Soviets had the will and energy to do a ruse correctly.

You say: None of these are the kind of smoking gun that I'd like,..... When one begins putting 2 and 2 together, they become worthwhile questions you are not allowed to ask without being labeled a nazi, fined, and thrown in jail. No offence, I wish to paraphrase Sherlock Holms to Dr. Watson in 'The Blue Carbuncle' (Jermy Brett series)..."You look at a lot of things and you see nothing"

[Booze]

I'm not understanding the issue surrounding the invoice which is said to be for an installation in the ceiling of the dressing room of the men's shower facility- B41. Instead, the translation of the invoice makes reference to work being done in a brick building.
The entire description of the work described on the invoice seems to be a mismatch for what is seen in the ceiling of the dressing room in B41.
Please explain.

[Fred Ziffel]

In Mattogno's Book, Concentration Camp Majdanek see pages 25 to 26
then see pages 133 to 134
I attach part of both readings, for the rest please consult Mattogno's book

I see your point, I misquoted Mattogno's words (P.133) and shall fix and repost on dropbox later in my day today. thank you I am always looking to refine this presentation

[Booze]

Are you saying that there is a different work order that exists for the work in the dressing room of B41 or that there is simply a mistake and a work order for those openings (shafts) hasn't been found?

I guess the other question is what gas chamber is he talking about in his book, does it still exist?
Being that it's referred to as a gas chamber on the invoice, coupled with knowing it's not among the rooms the museum currently identifies as gas chambers is of some importance. Actually in that regard that invoice is more significant.

[Fred Ziffel]

I mixed the estimation letter in Nov 1942 and the invoice in January 1943 to the translation
Yes the room with the Ochnix ceiling holes, was referred to a gas chamber because it was, but a gas chamber for lice, mites, and fleas, not humans while Chamber A and B1 were used as temp morgues due to the issue that there were only 2 ovens to deal with the mounting death toll due to typhus.

I fixed the slide and added another slide in regard to this and reposted on drop box. Hope it helps. If not seek out the page numbers indicated.

Link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmxk3iil ... wr6cd&dl=0

[AlfTude (Hunt)]

Fred this is great ! Amazing stuff!

[Wetzelrad]

I'm not understanding the issue surrounding the invoice which is said to be for an installation in the ceiling of the dressing room of the men's shower facility- B41. Instead, the translation of the invoice makes reference to work being done in a brick building.
The entire description of the work described on the invoice seems to be a mismatch for what is seen in the ceiling of the dressing room in B41.

I agree it's a bit confusing, but there's no doubt that the bill is referring to B41 when it says "the brick building". That is where they put in the two ceiling holes. The Soviet Commission described it like this:

On the ceiling of Chamber No. IV there are two hermetically sealable, retractable openings 20 x 20 cm in size.

[Booze]

No I have to disagree. That work order clearly makes reference to installing two flues to an existing chimney in a brick building. The flues run from two openings in the ceiling to the chimney, obviously for exhausting gas. I speculate that exhaust fans were used.
I found the book that Fred directed me to on the internet archive site where you will see this confirmed- flues running from two locations in the ceiling to the chimney.

The work described on the estimate by the Polish contractor bears no resemblance to what is seen in B41. But it makes perfect sense for the building which is described in the book.

On another note: in the book the dimensions given on the work order are interpreted as the height at which the flues are connected to the chimney. My take is different: I read it as the height of the chimney being raised 1.75 meters. The chimney is 0,75 meters square. They are going to be disinfecting clothing with Zyklon and they want to increase the height of the chimney for safety.

[Fred Ziffel]

was the room with these two ceiling holes a gas chamber or not a gas chamber for humans based on what you know so far?

[Booze]

was the room with these two ceiling holes a gas chamber or not a gas chamber for humans based on what you know so far?

First of all I need to admit that I should have reread the section referring to this project in question before I made my last post. I was relying on memory after reading a section that contained information on more than just this work order.
Conflating what I read in your report with what I read in the book I concluded that a chimney already existed, but now I'm not certain.
I don't have a strong basis to assume this was a chamber that used Zyklon. I cannot find the book stating that the dimensions referred to the height at which the flues were connected to the chimney, I'm not sure what it was that I read which caused me to believe that.

Here is was is said regarding this invoice:

The November 18, 1942, cost estimate from the Polish company Michal Ochnik, Contractor, headquartered in Sliska Street 6/3, Lublin, refers to this facility: 352

"Cost Estimate

for the Central Construction Office of the Waffen-SS and Police in Lublin, regarding commissions for the Fur and Clothing Works.

Brick construction of two chimneys in the gas chamber, dimensions 0. 75 x 0. 75 x 1.70, including cutting through the concrete ceilings.

Estimate, zl. [=zloty] 285.00. " The Central Construction Office accepted the company's offer, and the work was probably carried out in December. On January 8, 1943, Michal Ochnik submitted the following bill to the Central Construction Office, "for the Clothing Works of the Waffen-SS in Lublin ": 353 "Re.

For brick construction of chimney and connecting the draft pipes from two sides to the chimney in the gas chamber in the brick building. Cutting 2 openings in the concrete ceiling, brick construction of the chimney, dimensions 0. 75 x 0.75 x 1.70.

Amount, zloty 285.00.

In words: two hundred eighty-five zloty. "

In fact, the ceiling of the site mentioned still exhibits two openings 60 x 60 and 40 x 40 cm in size respectively, approximately 4 meters apart. According to the bill quoted, two pipes were installed in the two openings which led to the central chimney 0.75 m in diameter and 1.70 m high.

Evidently the disinfestation facility of Building XII A turned out to be insufficient for the Fur and Clothing Works' requirements, for, as mentioned previously, the Central Construction Office planned a further four disinfestation chambers for this construction project. Two civilian companies — the Lublin construction firm Michal Ochnik, which we already know, and the Warsaw firm "Polstephan" Construction Ltd. — were commissioned by the Central Construction Office with converting an existing building into a disinfestation facility.

There is strong implication that this installation was for de-infestation, this specific section of the book discussed de-infestation with no mention of homicidal gas chambers.

Note: In one instance a central chimney is mentioned, in the other it's two chimneys.

[Fred Ziffel]

You stated: I don't have a strong basis to assume this was a chamber that used Zyklon.

See attached photo of both holes in question in the room in question and give your assessment as to what you think caused the walls and ceiling to develop the blue stains? You can reference other photos in the presentation also.
Again, was this room in B41 a homicidal gas chamber? If it was, then why is that?

If these two chimneys already existed, what would be the purpose of having these two chimneys if the room was originally made for undressing, turning in clothes, and getting a haircut? What purpose would the chimney's role serve here? Keep in mind that it was the Germans that were responsible for building B41. That and B42 (Woman's next door) did not exist when the Germans decided to use this site as a camp. Here is a March 1942 drawing of B42 that is pretty much a mirror image of B41. You are welcome to translate the German for yourself to see the original intentional use of the B41 room. more information in presentation

[Fred Ziffel]

Just out from Majdanek. Here is a new video sectioned by the Majdanek State Museum and Kean University NJ. The man talking in the video is a not just some schmuck in the world of The Majdanek Camp. He is the head of archives at the museum there in Lublin. He is NO Rabbi Liar, he is the man.

Link to video. Do not watch when he is outside since the sound quality is very bad. I recommend watching from 19:47 till he leaves the B42 woman's delousing building. Then watch again when he is inside the new cremation facility. I will cover what he said in the cremation building in another posting. Juicy bits there too.

Link:

Plenty of lies, skip-overs, and half-truths told in video. There are way too many to go through. However, he made two huge huge revelations during this video. And they are:

1. Gas Chamber B1 (see attached) was not a Zyklon B gas chamber since there is no blue staining on the walls and ceiling yet says nothing about the hole in the ceiling there. Then he goes over to the "A" Chamber and says it was a zyklon B gas chamber but does not explain how the zyklon B pellets were thrown into the room. Passes over it quickly to talk about the CO gassing pipe. There is a sign currently outside B1 that says the opposite of everything he stated in the video.

2. He admits the tanks (The ones engraved CO2) inside Room 14 are not the original. And that the slimy Soviets took the 5 real ones to Moscow in 1944, and the museum decided to use theses to show how it looked. Never before did the museum admit this openly as far as I know. About 2 years ago, I asked the man in the video about this and sent me a nasty gram and would no longer reply to my inquires. Maybe he thought of me when he stated this in the video?
In a previous posting I showed an inquiry by the 5 Soviets where they had a can of Zyklon on the table, but no cylinder of CO gas.

Since this is the director or head of archives at The Majdanek Museum doing the talking, if someone has Germar contact info email address and can send him a link to this video and watch from 19:47

[Fred Ziffel]

Here is a better quality and easier to read of the current sign outside the B1 Gas Chamber
see attached

[Wetzelrad]

Good catch on that video.

The presenter seems to be Łukasz Mrozik. I can't find his title so I take your word for it that he is head of archives. At 25:22 he enters the B41 gas chamber (IV) where he says:

Look at this one right here. What makes it quite unusual in comparison with the previous ones are the bluish stains that you can spot on walls, on the ceiling, pretty much all around the area. Those blue stains prove that Zyklon-B was used in here. Zyklon-B, which is probably the most famous poison used in the Holocaust because it was the primary [type] of poison used in the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau. For years, it was generally considered that it was a gas chamber but over time and more detailed research proved that it wasn't a gas chamber but a disinfection chamber instead. So this is where Zyklon-B was used ironically for its official purpose for disinfection for the disinfection of prisoner clothes, SS uniforms, [?] blankets, sheets, etcetera.

Contrary to his characterization, there is nothing ironic about using a pesticide as a pesticide. He then shows off the Zyklon can display. The added interior wall on the right appears to be gone. At 27:19 he reaches the B1 (I) gas chamber, where he says:

And over here you can see probably the most important object preserved from the museum grounds: the building bunker with the gas chambers. Three of them were built here at Majdanek and they are all here within the same bunker. This is the first one. At any site you will not spot any blue stains left by Zyklon-B because not Zyklon-B but carbon monoxide was used instead. These were pressurized exhaust fumes from some tank or lorry engines that were pumped inside through a special system of pipes that you can see very close to the floor.

I'm a bit confused here. Did the Germans collect engine exhaust and put it into pressurized CO canisters? At 28:37 he is at room 14:

The original carbon monoxide containers were taken away by the Soviets in 1944. They were shipped away to Moscow. So this is just an imitation of what they actually looked like.

At 28:48 he reaches "the second gas chamber" (chamber A/III):

... and here you clearly can see the blue stains left by Zyklon-B, this residue that proves it was used here. So unquestionably Zyklon-B was used in this gas chamber.

At 29:26 he says chamber B2 (II) could not have been used:

In the third gas chamber there are no traces of Zyklon-B and no equipment necessary for the use of the carbon monoxide. So we claimed in our research that although three were used only these two were actually used.

At 37:50 he explains that the shoes on display belonged to the victims "not only of Majdanek" but also "to the victims of Operation Reinhardt". He explains that Operation Reinhardt was headquartered in Lublin, which is news to me. Since Majdanek is also listed as a Reinhardt camp on the Hoefle Telegram, it would make sense for historians to include it under that designation, but they don't.

At 01:08:44 he answers a common question:

You may also wonder in the meantime why this crematorium was built so far away from the gas chamber. Well, it was constructed at the time when the gas chambers were no longer operational. Usually they were built right next to each other because it was practical, for convenience. At Birkenau for example it was within one and the same building. Here [?] it was a bit different as you already know. And this crematorium became operational in late 1943 so at the time when the gas chambers were no longer used for the extermination of prisoners.

Of course the old crematorium was also not built next to the gas chambers. But even if this reasoning made sense, he goes on to say that Jews were still being exterminated in late 1943. At 01:11:13 he's standing at the ditches behind the crematorium when he says:

Within less than 24 hours, it began in the morning, ended in the afternoon, on the third of November 1943, the German SS police security police functionaries murdered over 18,000 of Jewish women, children, and men right here on this spot.

If they could do that, what did they need the gas chambers for anyway?

Overall I think it's quite satisfying to see the museum tour vindicate revisionists. They are down to just two gas chambers, and they're unequivocal about Iron Blue stains, even confirming that the lack of blue stains in one room is evidence against Zyklon-B having been used there. Rudolf should be especially pleased.

[Fred Ziffel]

No, tis my bad. at the very end of the video at 1:27:48 is the gentleman Krzysztof Tarkowski who I was dealing with in the past. the guy doing the narration throughout the video is unknown to me. Again, my bad

No they did not collect exhaust, the claim is the CO came from the cylinders shown,

To me it is exciting that they the reps of the Museum now claim that B1 was not a Zyklon gas chamber, but they still cling to the CO gas narrative in B1 and "A".
According to the sign in front of B1 and what was stated during this video. there are no longer any Zyklon B gas chambers. They still claim two CO gas chambers. So now there is progress.

I recommend looking over my presentation 9a
Here is a link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmxk3iil ... wr6cd&dl=0