Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

[Nessie]

Yes I have, your ignorance and your refusal to look at testimony do not make that any less true.

Again, 'Ze Germans' didn't distribute the food, and , for fear of contracting typhus, had very minimal contact with internees.

Kapos distributed food, and they starved jews.

Not, 'Ze Germans'.

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https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... /source-2/

"SS Guards were found to be shooting prisoners who in their hungry condition were endeavouring to remove potatoes from a pile near the cookhouse."

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... /source-4/

"I was working in the vegetable store when I saw a Hungarian girl, whose name I do not know, come out of the bread store nearby carrying a loaf of bread. At this moment EGERSDORF appeared in the street and at a distance of about 6 meters from the girl shouted ‘What are you doing here?’. The girl replied ‘I am hungry’ and then started to run away. EGERSDORF immediately pulled out his pistol and shot the girl."

If the Kapos were also preventing Jewish prisoners from getting food, that it is hardly surprising they starved. How is that the fault of Allied bombers?

[Stubble]

Sure, and the guy at treblinka that ran the farm detail personally murdered 100,000 jews and shoved them into a 30 foot deep flaming pit.

You, personally, drone on and on about corroboration and its importance with regard to witness testimony, then unironically cite obviously bias and unsubstantiated testimony to support your claims here.

The dishonesty on display is glaring and impossible not to notice.

[Nessie]

Sure, and the guy at treblinka that ran the farm detail personally murdered 100,000 jews and shoved them into a 30 foot deep flaming pit.

You, personally, drone on and on about corroboration and its importance with regard to witness testimony, then unironically cite obviously bias and unsubstantiated testimony to support your claims here.

The dishonesty on display is glaring and impossible not to notice.

How is the withholding of food from Jewish prisoners, by Kapos and the SS staff, so that only Jews starved or died from re-feeding syndrome, the fault of Allied bombers?

[Stubble]

If you are in prison, and somebody steals your tray, is that the kitchen's fault?

The Germans did what they could with what they had. They didn't have enough food to feed everyone to their satisfaction, because of allied saturation bombing. They didn't have the supplies.

Kramer outlined that in a memo dated March 1st 19 and 45 to Glucks.

http://bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Timelin ... 10345.html

The Red Cross also has memoranda about the dire situation at Bergen Belsen, because of the saturation bombing.

The allies bombed the water plant. Running water was absolutely necessary, and it was cut off, not by 'Ze Germans' but by the allies, intentionally.

In defense of the German leadership at Bergen Belsen, the death rate shot up when the British took over.

[Nessie]

If you are in prison, and somebody steals your tray, is that the kitchen's fault?

The Germans did what they could with what they had. They didn't have enough food to feed everyone to their satisfaction, because of allied saturation bombing. They didn't have the supplies.

So they starved the Jews.

Kramer outlined that in a memo dated March 1st 19 and 45 to Glucks.

http://bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Timelin ... 10345.html

The Red Cross also has memoranda about the dire situation at Bergen Belsen, because of the saturation bombing.

The allies bombed the water plant. Running water was absolutely necessary, and it was cut off, not by 'Ze Germans' but by the allies, intentionally.

In defense of the German leadership at Bergen Belsen, the death rate shot up when the British took over.

How is the fault of the RAF, that when food was shared out, the Jews got nothing?

[Stubble]

Because they caused disruption in supply, leading to shortage, which resulted in starvation, that the kapos applied predominantly to jewish internees.

This isn't advanced calculus or anything, it is simple. It was foreseeable, and it predictably played out.

Physically and intentionally bombing the water supply certainly didn't help the situation, did it Nessie. Clean water saves lives.

[Nazgul]

Because they caused disruption in supply, leading to shortage, which resulted in starvation, that the kapos applied predominantly to jewish internees.

Nessie has little understanding what a rout of civilisation means. The food stolen by the Kapo in Monowitz, destined for Jews, described by the French youth Pierre Berg is evidence of the going ons; this is conveniently ignored by the poster so he continues to troll with inane babble. The starvation of Jews in the ghetto due to criminals stealing the food is also documented; this is one of the reason for the ghetto liquidations. At Belsen there was virtually no food, no real nutrition due to the war deprivations. There was no clean water, no soap, there was no one to supply such things. Any one who has been in a real natural disaster understands the deprivation of essentials; in a rout of war there is no help. He, the poster will just go around in circles to promulgate his own ideas which are rather worthless.

[Nessie]

Because they caused disruption in supply, leading to shortage, which resulted in starvation, that the kapos applied predominantly to jewish internees.

This isn't advanced calculus or anything, it is simple. It was foreseeable, and it predictably played out.

You keep on missing out the evidence that SS camp staff also withheld food.

Physically and intentionally bombing the water supply certainly didn't help the situation, did it Nessie. Clean water saves lives.

You need to prove that bombing was intentional, since bombing was so inaccurate and that it caused general prisoner deaths in the camp affected, or was water withheld from Jewish prisoners only?

You cannot overcome your problem of, the Jews were singled out to get the least, when supplies ran low and that cannot be the fault of the RAF. It is the fault of those who withheld food or water.

[Nazgul]

You keep on missing out the evidence that SS camp staff also withheld food.

Here is a moral dilemma for you. If you were a guard of a cohort of say ten looking after 30 prisoners in a war situation. There was very little food, you own health and wellbeing is suffering. Would you give your share to the prisoners or eat theirs. Starvation overides moral philophy any day. Emotional intelligence and an understaning of human nature is necessary to understand this.

[Nessie]

You keep on missing out the evidence that SS camp staff also withheld food.

Here is a moral dilemma for you. If you were a guard of a cohort of say ten looking after 30 prisoners in a war situation. There was very little food, you own health and wellbeing is suffering. Would you give your share to the prisoners or eat theirs. Starvation overides moral philophy any day. Emotional intelligence and an understaning of human nature is necessary to understand this.

It was only the Jewish prisoners who starved, or died from re-feeding syndrome. Other prisoners, such as POWs, did not starve to death.

[Nazgul]

It was only the Jewish prisoners who starved, or died from re-feeding syndrome. Other prisoners, such as POWs, did not starve to death.

If you knew that you would soon be a prisoner of the same army as the POWs, desperately needed food; you have a choice. Would you starve the POWs or the Jews. Karma for guards that abuse POWs is not sweet.

[Stubble]

I see, were pow's and jews housed together Nessie?

The kapos didn't starve the pow's, because they all shared in the misery.

Communist kapos housed with jews ate the portions alloted to many of those jews.

Different folks, different outcomes.

[Nessie]

I see, were pow's and jews housed together Nessie?

No.

The kapos didn't starve the pow's, because they all shared in the misery.

Communist kapos housed with jews ate the portions alloted to many of those jews.

Different folks, different outcomes.

Exactly, SS staff and the Kapos deprived the Jewish prisoners, which was not the fault of the RAF.

[Stubble]

The SS Staff, which had left at this point by the way, and had been replaced by out of action luftwaffe personnel, had MINIMAL CONTACT with the detainees, by order, to prevent spread of disease.

The SS (luftwaffe actually) guards gave the same allotment by headcount to the jews as to the POW's. Kapos dished it out. With the jews, the kapos ate their portions.

Again, if you are in prison and another inmate steals your tray, is that the fault of the kitchen?

You pretend not to understand this, but, you can't possibly be this dumb, even if you can't figure out how an internet browser can be used to do this new fangled thing where a video can be played.

You are either incredibly dishonest or you are incredibly stupid. I don't think you are stupid.

[Nessie]

The SS Staff, which had left at this point by the way, and had been replaced by out of action luftwaffe personnel, had MINIMAL CONTACT with the detainees, by order, to prevent spread of disease.

The SS (luftwaffe actually) guards gave the same allotment by headcount to the jews as to the POW's. Kapos dished it out. With the jews, the kapos ate their portions.

I have provided you with evidence of the Nazi guards, from wherever they came originally, depriving prisoners of food. That is not the fault of the RAF.

Again, if you are in prison and another inmate steals your tray, is that the fault of the kitchen?

No, the fault lies with the person who steals food from, or otherwise deprives, other inmates. Therefore, starving Jews were the fault of the Nazis and anyone in the camps who deprived Jews of food, not the RAF.

You pretend not to understand this, but, you can't possibly be this dumb, even if you can't figure out how an internet browser can be used to do this new fangled thing where a video can be played.

You are either incredibly dishonest or you are incredibly stupid. I don't think you are stupid.

We ask for evidence and the response is, watch this video, I ask the person to be more specific, to see if there really is evidence in the video and they understand it. You have failed that test.