Wooden Doors

[borjastick]

Can't break down wooden doors but can scratch their finger marks into solid concrete walls. Hmmm...

[Archie]

Archie notes that ~ 2.2m males were estimated to have been killed in the holocaust.

Of course, we don't have to believe ~2m men died behind such a door in a gas chamber... because that isn't what historians claim.

You suggested that those gassed were exclusively women, children, and elderly, i.e., you were assuming zero grown men. Now you're trying to flip it around and say, well, not all the men were gassed, which is not the point. If there were some men gassed, then the door has to be able to withstand the strength of a grown man, probably multiple grown men. If you are gassing a batch of 1,000 people, even if it's only 5% men, then that's 50 men. Even if the median strength were very low, it's wouldn't matter. The door has to withstand the strongest people in the chamber.

I don't think your assumption of 0% men is well supported.

[Eye of Zyclone]

the stated reason is because Google restricts its search engine from returning results on this specific door. This is a fact well worth noting, especially because at least one other search engine does not have this artificial restriction.

Google puts an artificial restriction on it? I managed to find it quite easily.

Auschwitz does not claim that this was a gas chamber door, so citing this photo is a straw man argument.

If Auschwitz were actually engaging in a coverup they would've removed the door. But they're leaving the reconstruction in place, and stating "this is a reconstruction". Good on David Cole for pushing them to correct this.

The Auschwitz indoctrination center claimed and/or implied for decades that the fake gas chamber of Auschwitz 1 was a former Nazi gas chamber in its original state ("they" even fined British historian David Irving 22,000 dollars for saying otherwise) and that room was portrayed as the best smoking gun for the Holocaust. I can understand why Holohoaxers want to let people forget the past tricks of Holocaust propagandists (especially those used during the critical phase of the consolidation of the Holocaust myth), but I think that Holohoax debunkers should rather remind people of those tricks as often as necessary to deprogram them. There is a reason why illusionists don't like seeing their magic tricks revealed to the public...







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5:00-6:12 (2008)

[Wahrheitssucher]

…you guys always have to ruin it.

…Why does everything have to involve others 'intentionally' behaving in bad faith to ignore your arguments?
I have good faith interpretations and disagreements.

“You guys” = us versus them!

This isn’t a person approaching the subject matter impartially if they believe anyone and everyone participating in critically analysing the ‘holocaust’ mythology is “you guys” who are supposedly “ALWAYS” doing something objectionable..

[mengelemyth]

Archie, I still think you're overlooking my earlier comment about it being pitch black, lack of shoes, and crowding that would make it impossible for men to get forceful kicks against a door. Flipping around or not, I'm not arguing that it was 0% men. I'm arguing that the overwhelming majority of men were either elderly or weakened before being selected for extermination.

Eye of Zyclone, I am well aware that Cole and Irving made useful critiques of Auschwitz. But let's not pretend Irving doesn't find operation Reinhardt compelling. Cole also believes that mass murder happened at the Reinhardt camps. They both just think Auschwitz is "Disneyland".

Wahrheitssucher, perhaps we were both being dramatic in our framing?

[Wahrheitssucher]

…you guys always have to ruin it.

…Why does everything have to involve others 'intentionally' behaving in bad faith to ignore your arguments?
I have good faith interpretations and disagreements.

“You guys” = us versus them!

This isn’t a person approaching the subject matter impartially if they believe anyone and everyone participating in critically analysing the ‘holocaust’ mythology is “you guys” who are supposedly “ALWAYS” doing something objectionable.

…perhaps we were both being dramatic in our framing?

Er … no.
There is NOTHING that can fairly be described as “dramatic” in my direct quoting of your exact wording.

[mengelemyth]

Wahrheitssucher, I was referring to Stubbles original comment, and my response to it, as "dramatic". Since it appears my comment has greatly offended you, I apologise.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Since it appears my comment has greatly offended you, I apologise.

I am not “greatly offended”.
What a peculiar attempt at deception, plus with a fake apology.

Do you perhaps self-identify as belonging to the abstract-tribe? As so much misinformation, so soon, in your posts on various topics, does rather suggest so.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Eye of Zyclone, I am well aware that Cole and Irving made useful critiques of Auschwitz.

That was not my point. My point was that Holohoaxers fooled the world for decades by making people falsely believe that there was an untouched & unaltered Nazi gas chamber in Auschwitz and that Holocaust revisionism made no sense because of that [fabricated] smoking gun. And when Holohoaxers finally conceded that it was not true, they did it for damage control purposes (too many untenable inconsistencies and patent alterations in that room), not because some Holocaust revisionists forced them to do it. Honesty and a concern for the truth were never their motive for doing what they did.

Eye of Zyclone, I am well aware that Cole and Irving made useful critiques of Auschwitz. But let's not pretend Irving doesn't find operation Reinhardt compelling. Cole also believes that mass murder happened at the Reinhardt camps. They both just think Auschwitz is "Disneyland".

And let's not pretend we don't know why Irving & Cole finally endorsed the antirevisionist narrative regarding the Reinhardt camps. Nobody here thinks that we live in Disneyland. We all know that this is a Jew-ruled world under the dictatorship of Holocaustianity's clergy. David Irving eventually parrotted the groundless mythology of Reinhardt killing factories in order to save his sinking carreer as a successful WW2 historian from total destruction. Obviously. And David Cole now claims that the Reinhardt camps were extermination centers because he's no longer the young idealistic Jew he used to be when he exposed the Auschwitz scam. Getting in huge trouble only for the sake of truth is the kind of foolish things people do when they're in their twenties, not when they're in their fourties or fifties. Cole is no longer a risk-all rebellious young man at odds with his family and his co-religionists. He's now a tribalistic & realistic mature man, like most people his age. Telling lies about Israel's most precious founding myth (AKA The Holocaust) for personal & tribal gain - as he ultimately did with the Reinhardt camps when he re-emerged, after several decades of flying under the radar - was just the wisest and most reasonable choice to make for a Jew in his situation. As unsurprising as possible if I'm asked. It’s the opposite that would have surprised me. Old Cole is just another Zionist Jew and he uses his former-Holocaust-revisionist status to promote Israel's best interests and deceive gullible Goyim by making them falsely believe that there exists solid evidence for the nonexistent Nazi gas chambers at the former Reinhardt camps (through the misleading illusion that even Holocaust revisionists have now conceded that there were Nazi gas chambers at the Reinhardt camps, even though David Cole ceased to be a Holocaust revisionist long ago and David Irving has never been a Holocaust historian).

[Callafangers]

And let's not pretend we don't know why Irving & Cole finally endorsed the antirevisionist narrative regarding the Reinhardt camps. Nobody here thinks that we live in Disneyland. We all know that this is a Jew-ruled world under the dictatorship of Holocaustianity's clergy. David Irving eventually parrotted the groundless mythology of Reinhardt killing factories in order to save his sinking carreer as a successful WW2 historian from total destruction. Obviously. And David Cole now claims that the Reinhardt camps were extermination centers because he's no longer the young idealistic Jew he used to be when he exposed the Auschwitz scam. Getting in huge trouble only for the sake of truth is the kind of foolish things people do when they're in their twenties, not when they're in their fourties or fifties. Cole is no longer a risk-all rebellious young man at odds with his family and his co-religionists. He's now a tribalistic & realistic mature man, like most people his age. Telling lies about Israel's most precious founding myth (AKA The Holocaust) for personal & tribal gain - as he ultimately did with the Reinhardt camps when he re-emerged, after several decades of flying under the radar - was just the wisest and most reasonable choice to make for a Jew in his situation.

This is probably the most concise, sound interpretation I have seen on the matter of 'Holocaust-Lite' and the flops of Irving and Cole. Well said.