Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[DavidM]

Hello Nessie,
I am not sure what you mean by "survival conspiracy."

Why do you not produce any evidence of millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which would prove there cannot have been mass murders?

The revisions you want, have already been done.

Yes, honest researchers have made A decent start but Believer fanatics are trying to erase the scholarship of the last several years.
See the attempt of the Believer Exaggerationists at the USHMM.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... f-research

The total number of prisoners to go through the Majdanek main camp has not yet been recalculated consistent with the latest research..

"The number of Jewish prisoners who died in Majdanek’s subcamps between October 1943 and January 1945 is not known. Hence, at a minimum, between 95,000 and 130,000 prisoners died in the Majdanek system between November 1941 and January 1945. Between 89,000 and 110,000 were Jews. At least 20,000 prisoners who were not Jews died at the Majdanek main camp.

Note the conflation of Majdanek and the "Majdanek system".

The corrected figures were released by the Auschwitz State Museum in 2005...78,000 and the liars at the
USHMM are still trying to "recalculate."

What do you think of people in positions of authority who continue to grossly exaggerate the deaths in
Majdanek compared to honest Revisionists (Graf and Mattogno) who have been prosecuted or threatened for releasing honest and correct figures?

I am not surprised there have been disagreements over the death toll for Majdanek. Graf and Mattogno are Holocaust deniers, who have broken denial laws.

There is no mystery in the figures...Professor Hillburg got the figure right in the 1960's with about 50,000 Jewish
detainees dying (he did not count the non-Jewish deaths which are now known to be 20,000). Graf and Mattogno came very close to the correct figure and they admitted they had not counted executions.
So the term "Denier" is inaccurate.
Yes, Graf did break the law by doing honest research and telling the Truth.
For a history of the squirming on the part of Believers regarding Majdanek see
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum/new ... ks,44.html

[DavidM]

Why do you not produce any evidence of millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which would prove there cannot have been mass murders?

Let me present the movement of camps over time. Every single camps is verified by a Jew.
labourtrend.jpg

Why do you never produce evidence of the Jewish population of each camp, in 1944?

I think you are working from a set of incorrect assumptions, Nessie.
First, a large percentage of Jewish Europeans left German-Austrian territory prior to 1941. My recollection is
about 80%. Those who stayed were older persons and part of a naturally declining demographic.
Or they were (according to the Citizenship Laws) not counted as Jews anymore or were married to German citizens
and protected. So far fewer people were detained-arrested than Believers claim

(Odd that Believers claim the National Socialists were so fanatical to protect their "race" that they
killed people yet they left tens of thousands of people in mixed-relationships alone!)

And the Germans did keep very accurate records of the populations of their camps. Take
AUSCHWITZ CHRONICLE, 1939-1945 / Danuta Czech as an example. With monthly censuses
The trouble for Believers is that these records show about 85% of the 40,000 detainees at Birkenau did not work and that
about 250,000 people left the "Top Secret" Death Factory being moved to job sites in other camps or German cities.

[Nessie]

Let me present the movement of camps over time. Every single camps is verified by a Jew.
labourtrend.jpg

Why do you never produce evidence of the Jewish population of each camp, in 1944?

I think you are working from a set of incorrect assumptions, Nessie.
First, a large percentage of Jewish Europeans left German-Austrian territory prior to 1941. My recollection is
about 80%. Those who stayed were older persons and part of a naturally declining demographic.
Or they were (according to the Citizenship Laws) not counted as Jews anymore or were married to German citizens
and protected. So far fewer people were detained-arrested than Believers claim

How many Jews the Nazis arrested, is recorded in documents pertaining to the actions of the Einsatzgruppen, AR and national records, such as the Hungarians sent to A-B.

(Odd that Believers claim the National Socialists were so fanatical to protect their "race" that they
killed people yet they left tens of thousands of people in mixed-relationships alone!)

The Nuremberg Race Laws explain the decisions made, that being human decisions, will not be entirely consistent.

And the Germans did keep very accurate records of the populations of their camps. Take
AUSCHWITZ CHRONICLE, 1939-1945 / Danuta Czech as an example. With monthly censuses
The trouble for Believers is that these records show about 85% of the 40,000 detainees at Birkenau did not work and that
about 250,000 people left the "Top Secret" Death Factory being moved to job sites in other camps or German cities.

Indeed, there were detailed camp and ghetto records, so there is evidence to prove that millions of Jews were arrested 1939-44. So, where were they all in 1944?

[Nazgul]

Despite being shown the map of known camps for Jews in 44 all testified by one Jew. The actual numbers are known for a few camps like Syz kam, the testimonies show that many camps were transitory so were the working population. People were sent as needs require. He is also forgetting about typhus deaths and natural attrition for a neglible birth rate.

[Callafangers]

Why do you not produce any evidence of millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which would prove there cannot have been mass murders?

Let me present the movement of camps over time. Every single camps is verified by a Jew.
labourtrend.jpg

What on Earth could be the point of so many new camps opening so late in the war for Jews? Why were enough Jews still alive to warrant so many camps (no less than 86 of which in 1944 are for Hungarian Jewish children in Austria, alone)? What was the capacity of each camp?

And should we trust the data? Who collected it, and what have their motives looked like?

[Nazgul]

And should we trust the data? Who collected it, and what have their motives looked like?

The research was done by a German group which had the following url. www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ded/start
They were interested in all the camps of the Reich and their whereabouts and as much information as possible. They were not revisionists as they had Treblinka II as a death camp. Due to their efforts, I linked the stopping of transport Fplo 587 to the Jewish Labour Camps. I found their work of high quality. Since I promulgated the idea that Fplo 587 probably did not take all the travellers to Treblinka they suddenly went off line, undergoing maintenence work which has been for almost 6 months now.
Here is a list of all the Jewish Labour Camps in Poland, they had. There are 1030 such camps. Sadly I did not record all the information they had on each camp which had info on the sex, the jobs, the numbers and other important information.
Polish Zwangarbeitslager für Juden

Nessie was given the denkmal.de url; and they went off line shortly afterwards. Their genuine research is a threat to the hoax.

There is a clear westward drive of the camps to cater for existing workers as the Russians advanced.

[Callafangers]

And should we trust the data? Who collected it, and what have their motives looked like?

The research was done by a German group which had the following url. www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ded/start
They were interested in all the camps of the Reich and their whereabouts and as much information as possible. They were not revisionists as they had Treblinka II as a death camp. Due to their efforts, I linked the stopping of transport Fplo 587 to the Jewish Labour Camps. I found their work of high quality. Since I promulgated the idea that Fplo 587 probably did not take all the travellers to Treblinka they suddenly went off line, undergoing maintenence work which has been for almost 6 months now.
Here is a list of all the Jewish Labour Camps in Poland, they had. There are 1030 such camps. Sadly I did not record all the information they had on each camp which had info on the sex, the jobs, the numbers and other important information.
Polish Zwangarbeitslager für Juden

Nessie was given the denkmal.de url; and they went off line shortly afterwards. Their genuine research is a threat to the hoax.

There is a clear westward drive of the camps to cater for existing workers as the Russians advanced.

I recall. I meant more so for the data on Jewish movement/outcomes generally after the war. E.g. at DP camps, into Israel, etc., given the postwar power dynamics and widespread motives for 'denazification' and securing political/ideological interests.

You made a great find with this dataset. Also, I come bearing gifts:

https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... 98#p107398

The archive.is site is having issues right now (it occasionally goes down site-wide) but try it again in a few hours or so. Cheers.

[Nazgul]

You made a great find with this dataset. Also, I come bearing gifts:

https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... 98#p107398

The archive.is site is having issues right now (it occasionally goes down site-wide) but try it again in a few hours or so. Cheers.

Got it glad you saved all that data. Please back that up on multiple hard disks.

[Nessie]

The list of camps "Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden im "Reichskommissariat Ostland", is missing Jewish population figures and the majority have closed by 1944.

https://archive.is/Y1IUO

Picking a camp, Wiwikond, finds it was in Estonia, which the Nazis declared Jew free at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942.

[Nazgul]

The list of camps "Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden im "Reichskommissariat Ostland", is missing Jewish population figures and the majority have closed by 1944.

Crap.

[Callafangers]

The list of camps "Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden im "Reichskommissariat Ostland", is missing Jewish population figures and the majority have closed by 1944.

Crap.

Indeed. The majority had definitely NOT closed by 1944, as far as we know. Nessie brings this up at the perfect time as I just recently reproduced my earlier breakdown of this exact question, here: https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=9325#p9325

Here's an excerpt:

Nazgul will have more to add on this, here is some of my earlier analysis on these:

This is a map of the approximate location of many Zwangarbeitslager (labor camps) for Jews, these in the General Government (GG):

General Government Labor Camps

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This map vastly understates the true number of these labor camps, first of all because many are "stacked" in the same place (sometimes dozens) with the points plotted, but also because (1) many of the labor camps which are known lack sufficient information to be mapped and (2) there are likely hundreds more (maybe thousands) which remain totally unknown. These do not include those in the East nor further south (e.g. Austria). It also does not include ghettos nor concentration camps/sites.

What it does do is provide an illustration of, generally, where these known labor camps were clustered, how they were patterned throughout German territory and relative to AR camps (also shown), etc.

I have been working with the data used to populate the map (see: https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... 98#p107398 ) which, as already mentioned, includes many more camps than those plotted. In total, there are 1,030 known camps within the territories shown above. The breakdown is as follows:

Silesia = 213
Reichsgau Wartheland = 205
District Galicia = 164
District Lublin = 126
District Radom = 93
District Krakow = 84
District Warsaw = 72
Reichsgebiet = 40
District Bialystok = 7
Reichsgau Sudetenland = 17
Reichsgau Danzig-Westpreußen = 8
Reichsgau Oberdonau = 1

What is not known, for the most part, is the size of these camps. There are at least some confirmed to have had inmates numbering in the thousands but others were as low as in the dozens or hundreds.

Of the 1,030 total, here is some of the data which I found most important:

• 459 of these entries indicate the camp closing date is only assumed based on the time of its "last mention" ("letzte Erwähnung")
• 204 were reported (or assumed) closed no earlier than sometime in 1944 (with even mid-to-late 1944 not being uncommon)
• 20 were reported closed in 1945
• About 10-15% have no known closing date at all
• 346 of the 1,030 entries have no map location due to missing/insufficient information (many others have only an approximate location)

[This shows that it's very much a possibility that many Jewish labor camps remained open long after 'extermination' was allegedly in full-swing, contradicting the narrative.]

These areas and figures do not include those camps for Hungarian Jews in Austria, which are [also] shocking:

[...]

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=9325#p9325

I should add, I think I was a bit too soft on the language above. We count at least ~224 camps for which its documented they remained open into 1944-45. And there are another 300 or so which are totally uncertain insofar as closing date. Others still aren't even located with any precision, and many more are totally unknown.

This altogether suggests very high probability that many hundreds of such camps (if not more) remained operational into the final months of the war. And this is only with regard to the General Government. The layout/distribution of such camps in the East is even more obscured by the chaos of the war in general.

[Nessie]

The list of camps "Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden im "Reichskommissariat Ostland", is missing Jewish population figures and the majority have closed by 1944.

Crap.

Read the list in the link. None say what the camps Jewish population was and the majority had closed by 1944.

Aseri Sep 1944
Baciunai Jan 1944
Baranawitschy Nov 1943
Biala Waka Jun 1943
Bisa no date
Bobrujsk Nov 1943
Borisow Mar 1943
Chmielewka Jan 1944
Daugavpils Oct 1943
Daugeliai Summer 1944
Dimitrava no date
Dudziszki no date
Dukszty no date
Dworez Dec 1942
Gavieze Oct 1943
Hansewitsche Jun 1944

First 16 camps and 7 had closed by 1944, 4 have no date and 5 closed in 1944, but all had closed by Sept 1944. So, where were all the Jews living Sept 1944 to June 1945?

[Nazgul]

Read the list in the link. None say what the camps Jewish population was and the majority had closed by 1944.

First 16 camps and 7 had closed by 1944, 4 have no date and 5 closed in 1944, but all had closed by Sept 1944. So, where were all the Jews living Sept 1944 to June 1945?

There were over 3000 Jewish Labour Camps in Poland alone. The alleged extermination period was mid 42 -43. The Jews were in labour camps until the rout of humanity in the area. Accept the fact that the Russian and Polish extraordinary commissions with 15 million people erased the documents of Labour Camps.

[Alonso]

A primer;

https://odysee.com/@hocuspocusfocus:5/D ... olocaust:7

The other subjects you have touched on merit their own threads, hence other threads exist.

Welcome to CODOH Forum

I just wanted to note that this link no longer works. (Please remove this comment if it has been noted already).

[Stubble]

A primer;

https://odysee.com/@hocuspocusfocus:5/D ... olocaust:7

The other subjects you have touched on merit their own threads, hence other threads exist.

Welcome to CODOH Forum

I just wanted to note that this link no longer works. (Please remove this comment if it has been noted already).

My apologies, here is a link that should be more permanent. Odysee nuked hocuspocusfocus from orbit recently and I've seen a series of other accounts getting nuked over the last 3 months. No place is safe.

The community really does need to develop a new front end for LBRY.

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/deb ... holocaust/