How do you know what the Krema walls looked like?

[Nessie]

I have not said that you should assume there was Prussian blue, that is yet another strawman from you. I am saying that you cannot rule out that in the multiple rooms where gassings are evidenced to have taken place, Prussian blue never started to form, even faintly, somewhere in that room.

*claimed.

Fixed that for you.

No, evidenced. You just deny that evidence.

But anyway - if there was indeed Prussian Blue on the inside of those walls at Krema I, it would have been seen when the post-war renovations were carried out.

How do you know that for sure? Got any evidence?

You cannot reconcile this little doozey in your theory. Additionally, what it this fetishization of "accessing" Krema II? The bricks are still there genius, go nuts.

Get photos of the Krema ruins and indicate bricks you say should have been showing Prussian blue staining.

[Nessie]

I have never said that argument and reason should NOT be employed. Instead, I argue they should not be used in place of evidence, but you cannot cope with that, so you produce your strawman distortion.

Literally what you are doing in this thread.

Remember you said;

"Arguments are necessary for interpreting and giving meaning to the available data. In a situation where the evidence is so obvious that it speaks for itself, perhaps you could say that argument would be so trivial that it goes without saying, but that's obviously not the situation we are in here."

I have accepted that the forensic evidence regarding signs and traces of the use of Zyklon B at the places evidenced to have been used for gassings, is not self-evident. It is, if anything, the opposite of what would be expected.

When just over a hundred witnesses who worked at or about the Kremas state they were used for gassings, and documents record the construction of gas chambers, the evidence is so obvious it speaks for itself. If the walls of Krema I were stained Prussian blue, that would make it even more self-evident.

But, they are not, and that does require reasoning and argument.

Nessie, I would suggest that you abandon this dog of an argument. You tried something new. It's didn't work out. It happens. Time to move on. There's a reason that nobody else on your side makes this argument. The more typical approach is to give excuses for why there is no Prussian blue. If you argue that there might have been Prussian blue, that is not only highly dubious, you are implicitly admitting that lack of Prussian blue would be a problem.

You want me to abandon the argument, because it is a good point, that causes you problems. You cannot say that if the two bunker/farm houses next to Birkenau, had been left intact, that there would be zero signs of Prussian blue, after their use for gassings. If there was no sign, that does need an explanation, but it does not negate the evidence that those buildings were used as gas chambers.

The real problem here, is that you do not understand evidencing and a lot of the points I have raised.

[fireofice]

You want me to abandon the argument, because it is a good point, that causes you problems. You cannot say that if the two bunker/farm houses next to Birkenau, had been left intact, that there would be zero signs of Prussian blue, after their use for gassings. If there was no sign, that does need an explanation, but it does not negate the evidence that those buildings were used as gas chambers.

The real problem here, is that you do not understand evidencing and a lot of the points I have raised.

Archie just wants to spare you from continuing to make a complete fool of yourself. But I say keep making this argument! I'm sure you'll convince plenty of people with your secret missing Prussian Blue theory!

And no, any "gas chamber" that's not intact, we obviously wouldn't make any argument based on any kind of Prussian Blue. That's a silly thing to bring up.

[HansHill]

Get photos of the Krema ruins and indicate bricks you say should have been showing Prussian blue staining.

>Show me the red bricks that should be blue

Meds.

[Nessie]

Get photos of the Krema ruins and indicate bricks you say should have been showing Prussian blue staining.

>Show me the red bricks that should be blue

Meds.

IOW, the ruins of Kremas II and III could contain signs of Prussian blue, that cannot be seen. All that is left of Kremas IV, V and the bunker/farmhouses, are the foundations, so you cannot say, with any certainty, that at no time, was there no sign of Prussian blue staining on any of the walls.

[Nessie]

You want me to abandon the argument, because it is a good point, that causes you problems. You cannot say that if the two bunker/farm houses next to Birkenau, had been left intact, that there would be zero signs of Prussian blue, after their use for gassings. If there was no sign, that does need an explanation, but it does not negate the evidence that those buildings were used as gas chambers.

The real problem here, is that you do not understand evidencing and a lot of the points I have raised.

Archie just wants to spare you from continuing to make a complete fool of yourself. But I say keep making this argument! I'm sure you'll convince plenty of people with your secret missing Prussian Blue theory!

And no, any "gas chamber" that's not intact, we obviously wouldn't make any argument based on any kind of Prussian Blue. That's a silly thing to bring up.

You have misunderstood my point. It is a very simple point. Because none of the gas chambers were left intact, as they were when in use during the war, you cannot rule out that at no point, was there any sign of Prussian blue staining on any of the walls. For all you know, the interior walls of the Little Red and Little White farm houses did show signs of staining.

[HansHill]

This whole thread belongs in the Hall Of Fame.

[Nessie]

Prove, that in 1944, when this building was in use as a gas chambers, during the Hungarian arrivals, that inside, on the walls, there was no trace of blue staining.

[HansHill]

Prove, that in 1944, when this building was in use as a gas chambers, during the Hungarian arrivals, that inside, on the walls, there was no trace of blue staining.

This is your theory, numbskull. Don't drag me into this dumpster fire

[Nessie]

Prove, that in 1944, when this building was in use as a gas chambers, during the Hungarian arrivals, that inside, on the walls, there was no trace of blue staining.

This is your theory, numbskull. Don't drag me into this dumpster fire

I am not theorising. I am making an evidential point, which is that you cannot evidence there was never any sign, of any staining.