Bischoff Letter

[HansHill]

I don't buy it lol

https://chatgpt.com/share/68928871-bbe4 ... 6e977567b2

When someone accuses another of lying, they almost always mean the person is intentionally trying to deceive — not just that they are saying something untrue.

I'm not even going to say you're lying about what you meant here. Likely you realized how stupid it was to believe that Confused Jew has been lying - the evidence is overwhelming that these are AI hallucinations and his repeated use of them as well as transparency about it is evidence of honesty - and are internally backtracking. But the damage has been done, you and HansHill have shown your biases and their reality distorting effect.

It's obvious what an anti semite means when they're talking about lying Jews and such.

Oh no, you're not going to well ackshually your way out of this. Having an expectation of honesty, integrity and consistency is pretty basic. Look at Confused Jew's post count. Look at the examples I pulled. This person has been here repeating the same outright falsifications, contradictions and lies for months on end, with each one being addressed multiple times which he is simply ignoring. This is deception whether you like it or not, and it's despicable and to try well ackshually it any other way, as well as it in and of itself is deceitful. "Oh he's just out here making genuine mistakes by accident!"

As other posters have noticed, his lies, fabrications, falsehoods contradictions and jibberish are not only shitting up the board, but in turn feeding other hallucinations and indeed finding their way into SEO algorithms as Wetzelrad has kindly demonstrated. Somebody could hyptothetically google the alkalinity of Krema walls and walk away with the answer they were acidic, all because of this moron.

"well ackshually"

LOL the absolute state of anti-revisionists.

[HansHill]

To drill this point home as if it even needs further clarification, here's what actual integrity looks like from an exchange between Dr Numar Patru and I



Once Dr Patru corrected my mistake and i was satisfied he was correct, I immediately retracted my argument in public. Now - let it be known that there is no love lost between Dr Patru and I, and that he quite literally wished death upon me in a prior thread.

Do you understand now Bombsaway, why this moron is out here shitting up our board and it is unacceptable?

[Nessie]

It's so simple, but the recalcitrant prefer to fight against reason.
…People are reluctant to accept certain truths because it's too heavy to give up the lie.
They even make them something existential. Jews must think: ‘What are we without the Holocaust? How will we maintain our unity?’

Yes!
I admire the patience of those prepared to go over and over the fairly simple and straightforward details of the legally protected mass-gassing narrative that defy basic science.

Just because some people think it defies basic science, does not mean therefore it did not happen.

I admire it because it values stating truth above being appreciated, or respected, let alone thanked.

How many recalcitrant true-believers in the mass-gassing mythology have ever been corrected, or ever acknowledged the absurdity of some of the sacrosanct holyH beliefs?

I’m not aware of a single person over a decade of following these online debates.

Anyone who sees through the so-called revisionist claims about science, which are dressed up logically flawed arguments from incredulity, is unlikely to then side with them. Just because some people think the mass gassing, cremation, grave evidence is absurd, does not mean those events did not happen.

I admire the patient explanations, as apparently increasing numbers are realising the truth of the revisionist argument. And that presumably is due to a great degree from people anonymously visiting CODOH.

It is worrying how many people fall for the obvious lies and deceptions by so-called revisionist.

It was from anonymously reading the discussions on CODOH as a newbie to the topic that I myself realised that the true-believers who try to defend the flaws have no logical argument.

The events of the Holocaust are proved by evidence, not argument.

The mass-gassing-of-millions narrative has no credibility.

That is a matter of opinion and it has no evidential value.

The Holocaust-Emperor is nude!!!



People — especially jewish ones — are unable to admit the truths of holocaust revisionism not because they are so complex and technical. Most of the core issues aren’t.
I think they are unable to accept these truths because they subliminally fear they cannot handle the psychological disturbance that will result.

Thankfully, a good proportion of people are able to understand evidencing and can see how well the Holocaust is evidenced. It is the group of so-called revisionists who cannot accept that evidence, hence they deny much of it, hence they are normally referred to as Holocaust deniers, who are unable to accept that because they cannot revise the history, they are left with argument, and that argument is logically flawed.

[TlsMS93]

Thankfully, a good proportion of people are able to understand evidencing and can see how well the Holocaust is evidenced. It is the group of so-called revisionists who cannot accept that evidence, hence they deny much of it, hence they are normally referred to as Holocaust deniers, who are unable to accept that because they cannot revise the history, they are left with argument, and that argument is logically flawed.

Saying there's evidence is a generic argument. What we're doing here is discussing and debating the so-called evidence, and you complete the vicious cycle that arguing about the evidence is because we don't want to accept it, and therefore we don't function as revisionists.

We already know your tribal modus operandi.

[Nessie]

Thankfully, a good proportion of people are able to understand evidencing and can see how well the Holocaust is evidenced. It is the group of so-called revisionists who cannot accept that evidence, hence they deny much of it, hence they are normally referred to as Holocaust deniers, who are unable to accept that because they cannot revise the history, they are left with argument, and that argument is logically flawed.

Saying there's evidence is a generic argument. What we're doing here is discussing and debating the so-called evidence, and you complete the vicious cycle that arguing about the evidence is because we don't want to accept it, and therefore we don't function as revisionists.

We already know your tribal modus operandi.

The Bischoff Letter is not so-called evidence. It was found at the A-B camp construction office. The information it contains is corroborated by other sources. Since it states what you do not want to believe, your MO is to think up excuses to dismiss it. You then cannot revise the evidence of how many people were being cremated at the Kremas, as you have dismissed all the other evidence as well.

[bombsaway]

I don't buy it lol

https://chatgpt.com/share/68928871-bbe4 ... 6e977567b2

When someone accuses another of lying, they almost always mean the person is intentionally trying to deceive — not just that they are saying something untrue.

I'm not even going to say you're lying about what you meant here. Likely you realized how stupid it was to believe that Confused Jew has been lying - the evidence is overwhelming that these are AI hallucinations and his repeated use of them as well as transparency about it is evidence of honesty - and are internally backtracking. But the damage has been done, you and HansHill have shown your biases and their reality distorting effect.

It's obvious what an anti semite means when they're talking about lying Jews and such.

Oh no, you're not going to well ackshually your way out of this. Having an expectation of honesty, integrity and consistency is pretty basic. Look at Confused Jew's post count. Look at the examples I pulled. This person has been here repeating the same outright falsifications, contradictions and lies for months on end, with each one being addressed multiple times which he is simply ignoring. This is deception whether you like it or not, and it's despicable and to try well ackshually it any other way, as well as it in and of itself is deceitful. "Oh he's just out here making genuine mistakes by accident!"

As other posters have noticed, his lies, fabrications, falsehoods contradictions and jibberish are not only shitting up the board, but in turn feeding other hallucinations and indeed finding their way into SEO algorithms as Wetzelrad has kindly demonstrated. Somebody could hyptothetically google the alkalinity of Krema walls and walk away with the answer they were acidic, all because of this moron.

"well ackshually"

LOL the absolute state of anti-revisionists.

I mean I agree more or less he was "shitting up the board" with low quality AI responses, but this is not deception. Do you think CJ doesn't believe the Holocaust happened? Are you saying he is lying about his motives? The accusation is pretty incomprehensible. No evidence suggests anything other than a dude who is not very familiar with the history trying to use AI to level the playing field somewhat.

[HansHill]

I don't buy it lol

https://chatgpt.com/share/68928871-bbe4 ... 6e977567b2



I'm not even going to say you're lying about what you meant here. Likely you realized how stupid it was to believe that Confused Jew has been lying - the evidence is overwhelming that these are AI hallucinations and his repeated use of them as well as transparency about it is evidence of honesty - and are internally backtracking. But the damage has been done, you and HansHill have shown your biases and their reality distorting effect.

It's obvious what an anti semite means when they're talking about lying Jews and such.

Oh no, you're not going to well ackshually your way out of this. Having an expectation of honesty, integrity and consistency is pretty basic. Look at Confused Jew's post count. Look at the examples I pulled. This person has been here repeating the same outright falsifications, contradictions and lies for months on end, with each one being addressed multiple times which he is simply ignoring. This is deception whether you like it or not, and it's despicable and to try well ackshually it any other way, as well as it in and of itself is deceitful. "Oh he's just out here making genuine mistakes by accident!"

As other posters have noticed, his lies, fabrications, falsehoods contradictions and jibberish are not only shitting up the board, but in turn feeding other hallucinations and indeed finding their way into SEO algorithms as Wetzelrad has kindly demonstrated. Somebody could hyptothetically google the alkalinity of Krema walls and walk away with the answer they were acidic, all because of this moron.

"well ackshually"

LOL the absolute state of anti-revisionists.

I mean I agree more or less he was "shitting up the board" with low quality AI responses, but this is not deception. Do you think CJ doesn't believe the Holocaust happened? Are you saying he is lying about his motives? The accusation is pretty incomprehensible. No evidence suggests anything other than a dude who is not very familiar with the history trying to use AI to level the playing field somewhat.

Let me make this really simple. The dude came here to "defend the Holocaust" i'm not going to crawl through his posts again, because I did that yesterday and lost about 80 IQ point in the process, but those were his words pretty much verbatim. A person with a defensive motive to come here can reasonably be described as a Holocaust activist. I personally think he is using screenshots and other content from here to use in places like Reddit or X or Discord or whathaveyou, I can't prove that, but I don't think that would be controversial to theorise. So i will describe him as a Holocaust activist for the purpose of this post.

Day 1:

"Prussian Blue didn't form because concrete is acidic, therefore Rudolf is rebutted" - Holocaust activist
"This is incorrect because X, Y, Z citations, reference material, studies" - Holocaust revisionist

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Day 2:

"Prussian Blue didn't form because concrete is acidic, therefore Rudolf is rebutted" - Holocaust activist
"Hang on, we've been over this - this is incorrect because X, Y, Z citations, reference material, studies" - Holocaust revisionist

===

Day 3:

"Prussian Blue didn't form because concrete is acidic, therefore Rudolf is rebutted" - Holocaust activist
Excuse me, are you not paying attention?? X, Y, Z citations, reference material, studies - please stop lying" - Holocaust revisionist

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Day 1 could reasonably be described as an "honest mistake". I think its a reach, given everything we know about him. Day 2 at best, is him being careless, but more like he is plain ignorant and disinterested in actual debate

By Day 3 Bombsaway, he is being outright lying about the material, and is being utterly deceitful in his approach to the Holocaust and very presence. He is not here to "learn" despite saying this about 50 times. If this were true, he would... you know, learn.

He is a liar, he is an activist, he is woefully uninformed. At least people like you, Nessie, Dr Saniycheck and Dr Patru display familiarity and/or competence with the material.

*Inb4 - but he didn't say those things 3 days in a row. Yes i know i'm summarising 4 months of content into 3 wedges.
** Mods yes i know this is off topic and technically against the rules because I called Confused Jew a liar. It felt good though.

[Stubble]

He is not here to "learn" despite saying this about 50 times. If this were true, he would... you know, learn.

This, is the point, right here.

[AreYouSirius]

I mean I agree more or less he was "shitting up the board" with low quality AI responses, but this is not deception.

It is deception.

If I were adverse to the researchers at this forum and attempted to use an LLM to form my arguments, I’d probably say “I ran this by ChatGPT and here’s what it says about [XYZ] issue.” I wouldn’t want to fall on the sword of an AI hallucination.

And why would I quote it instead of creating the illusion that I did my own research? Because if I attempted to pass of paragraphs that weren’t mine as my own, it would be an act of deception. In an academic environment this would be grounds for failure and, possibly, expulsion.

ConfusedJew, who is clearly inept at forming an LLM prompt, still somehow managed to prompt the LLM to form a first-person response. So in all the ineptness, there is still a demonstration of cunning capability.

This is clearly deception. Their actions carried malicious intent, and members of this forum are correct to call it out.

[TlsMS93]

The Bischoff Letter is not so-called evidence. It was found at the A-B camp construction office. The information it contains is corroborated by other sources. Since it states what you do not want to believe, your MO is to think up excuses to dismiss it. You then cannot revise the evidence of how many people were being cremated at the Kremas, as you have dismissed all the other evidence as well.

There's a document from Hitler demonstrating a willingness to negotiate peace, and historians don't take it seriously, despite the fact that it's also a fallacy that he wanted war. To believe that historians are impartial and have no tribal or political bias when analyzing material is something only naive people like you, who carelessly cite.

Only a madman would take this Bischoff letter seriously, and there are other letters that contradict it, and other testimonies even claim that the figures in this letter are conservative and that double the amount could have been achieved.

[curioussoul]

So many different testimonies point back to this letter

Huh? What testimonies? This letter is problematic, historically and technically, for a large number of reasons (some of which were pointed out by Callafangers), even prompting the Irving/Lipstadt judge to comment that it "has a number of curious features which raise the possibility that it is not authentic", and even Pressac himself considered the numbers "exaggerated".

Here's the biggest issue with this letter, and I'm not sure if it's been brought up in the thread before: the exact numbers from Bischoff's letter (4,576 in 24h) derive from a draft report written by a Topf engineer in October 1941. This is before Birkenau even existed, and allegedly even before an extermination order was ever issued; it's before the first gassing supposedly took place in Auschwitz and also before Bunker 1 was constructed, which allegedly gassed the first Polish Jews around February 1942. The October 1941 report proposes a capacity for the future crematoria in Birkenau of 60 corpses per hour in a crematoria consisting of five triple muffle furnaces (1,440 in 24h). In the Bischoff letter, the capacity of the 8-muffle furnaces (which were much weaker than the triple muffle furnaces in Crematoria II and III) is derived from the triple muffle furnaces of the 1941 report: 96 per muffle per 24h (1,440/15 muffles and 768/8 muffles). Why would Bischoff's letter suggest an identical cremation capacity to the 8-muffle and triple muffle furnaces, with numbers from a 2-year old draft report on triple muffle furnaces?

Pressac astutely noted this mathematical relationship in his own book, and the logical conclusion (made by Mattogno and others) is that whoever wrote the Bischoff letter copied the numbers from the aforementioned draft report.

But even keeping all of this in mind, the cremation capacity described by some "witnesses" exceeds this already inflated figure. According to witnesses, even the very primitive cremation pits allegedly dug out in 1944 had a cremation capacity twice that mentioned in the Bischoff letter, and Sonderkommando witnesses such as Henryk Tauber mentioned even greater cremation rates than that of Bischoff's letter. According to Tauber, it would have taken only 8 hours (not 24) to reach the number of cremations mentioned in the Bischoff letter.

If we can even call it "Bischoff's letter". We don't know precisely who wrote it. It is not signed by Bischoff and there's no evidence it ever reached Kammler, meaning it was probably scrapped and re-written. It is not known why this document (which was supposed to be a simple handover protocol for the facility from the Construction Office to the Camp Administration) would list the supposed cremation capacities of all crematoria in the camp, and the document lacks the required data used in such handover protocols. Van Pelt made a clumsy attempt at explaining this during the Lipstadt trial.

There is also another document, mentioned by Pressac but ignored by you, written by Topf's chief engineer Pruefer, in September 1942. In this letter, Pruefer calculates the cremation capacity at approximately 55% of what's mentioned in the "Bischoff letter" for the double-muffle furnaces used in Crematorium I.

Additionally, there are documents noting the coke consumption of the crematoria in the camp. If we are to pretend that the 4,756 number is accurate, the coke consumption per corpse would be an absurdly low 3.55 kg/corpse, which any serious person would concede is wildly implausible.

To ignore the obvious flaws and problems with the documentation in this regard is to be dishonest. You are dishonest. There are innumerable documents about cremation ovens throughout the German concentration camp system during the war. They all vary wildly in numbers. What we should be basing our calculations on is practical experience, such as the coke consumption and the Gusen cremation list.

[TlsMS93]

To ignore the obvious flaws and problems with the documentation in this regard is to be dishonest. You are dishonest. There are innumerable documents about cremation ovens throughout the German concentration camp system during the war. They all vary wildly in numbers. What we should be basing our calculations on is practical experience, such as the coke consumption and the Gusen cremation list.

There were not enough coal deliveries for the alleged number of gassed people Danuta Czech claims were gassed during the same period (1942-43), nor was there a single repair of the refractory bricks in the Kremas in Birkenau; there would have to be six or seven repairs.

No coal, no repairs, no Holocaust.