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[Nessie]

The claim;

"If the Germans were interested in killing people in mass numbers, they would not have designed the kill centre facility like this".

That is just an opinion, which has no evidential value. The original design was a crematorium, that was temporarily adapted for gassings, 1943-4, for the last of the main Jewish populations, in ghettos and Hungary. That is the evidenced history f the building.

No, that does not follow from the evidence available. According to Pressac (and transitively all those who cribbed his analysis: Van Pelt, Hilberg, the museums, etc.) KIV and KV were being planned for mass gassings from the beginning. He said this about the first drawing from August 1942:

Drawing 1678, the first one of the future Krematorium IV [...]

Despite its apparent innocence as a sanitary instrument, there is a criminal element, linked with homicidal gassings, in the drawing. [...] The presence of a stove in the uncompleted room of drawing 1678 is a formal indication that it was used for gassing.

https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... tz/392.php

Pressac did also contradict himself by stating the opposite -- because he wanted to have it both ways -- but the evidence shows what it shows, right?

Pressac also noted that this drawing included the building's total width, but gave no indication as to what the collection of western rooms were to be:

Although its final length (67.50 m) was marked on drawing 1678 (67.65 m), the Bauleitung had not drawn the left hand section, 48 m long by 12 m wide.

https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... tz/396.php

If Pressac's conversion theory was correct, then these western rooms must originally have had some non-homicidal purpose, yet no where in any surviving document can anyone find them labelled or given any purpose. Pressac opines above that they were already planned as gas chambers from the start. So it's a nonsensensical theory.

Your claim that KIV "was temporarily adapted for gassings" seems to go even further. What evidence is there to support that the alleged gas chambers were or were going to be converted back to their non-homicidal roles? And what non-homicidal roles were those, by the way? Or is this all just speculation on your part?

You start by claiming Pressac the Kremas were planned for gassing from the beginning. Then you change that to he wants it both ways. There is evidence it was to be used as a crematorium after the gassing action had ended, with the planned expansion of the camp and the section called "Mexico". The non-homicidal role was a crematorium for the dead for a greatly expanded camp, housing labourers.

[Wetzelrad]

Correct, Pressac wanted it both ways. He frequently wrote in contradiction to himself, but this didn't stop other historians from citing and parroting his opinions. You are highlighting an excellent example of how unserious Holocaust history is.

Pressac repeated this circus act again later in the book.

This “phanthom” document is not “conclusive” proof of the existence of homicidal gas chambers in Krematorium IV. but it helps us to understand and establish how they were planned, built and used.

Contrary to what I said in my article on “Les Krematorien IV et V de Birkenau” in “Le Monde Juif”, the three documents cited above [Photos 31, 32 and 33] together with Krermatorium drawings 1678 of 14th August 1942 and 2036 of 11th January 1943 enable us to state that KREMATORIEN IV AND V WERE DESIGNED AS CRIMINAL INSTRUMENTS, though modifications introduced in the course of their construction and operation made their operating sequence absurd.

https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... tz/447.php

By calling the "operating sequence absurd", Pressac agreed with what Fred Ziffel wrote above about the facility's nonsensical design. Contrary to what you wrote, Pressac believed those absurdities were introduced because of modifications made later, not because of its initial design.

As to what the crematoria were originally designed as, obviously only one theory can be true. If conversion theory is correct -- if KIV and KV were converted from mundane purposes, as you believe -- then how did Pressac get it wrong? And what were the gas chambers originally intended to be? And what would they turn into after, as you imagine, they would be converted a second time?