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[Keen]

There is overwhelming documentary, eyewitness, circumstantial and other evidence to prove multiple mass shootings were taking place across Eastern Europe.

The Ukrainian “holocaust by bullets” Addendum

Are 1.5 million jews really buried in the 800 “forensically proven” Ukrainian mass graves?

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Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of $50.00 will be remitted for each one of the alleged - 800 MASS GRAVES - (the explicitly alleged number claimed to have been “uncovered” by the date of - 05 / 04 / 2008) that is conclusively proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least one gunshot victim. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

What are you waiting for nessie?

What are you so afraid of?

[Keen]

Revisionists ignore science when it comes to assessing witness evidence and their illogical arguments.

Mr. Gerdes doesn't ignore science. In fact, that it his focus:

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

So why do you run away from him nessie?

What are you so afraid of?

[Keen]

Are you able to counter the points I raised about the revisionist failure to produce a history, their unscientific assessment of the witness evidence and constant use of logically flawed arguments in lieu of evidence?

Absolutely.

100%.

Not just "counter" but demolish:

BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this legitimate adjudicable question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.


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The Ukrainian “holocaust by bullets” Addendum

Are 1.5 million jews really buried in the 800 “forensically proven” Ukrainian mass graves?

...

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of $50.00 will be remitted for each one of the alleged - 800 MASS GRAVES - (the explicitly alleged number claimed to have been “uncovered” by the date of - 05 / 04 / 2008) that is conclusively proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least one gunshot victim. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

Note: When the so-called “forensically proven” Ukrainian “holocaust by bullets” is combined with the fraudulently alleged “archaeologically proven holocausts” of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, you get a total of over 3.6 million jews allegedly buried in 900 “huge mass graves.” That is - over 60% - of the fraudulently alleged “proven” holocaust. So anyone who alleges that the - SACRED SIX MILLION - figure is a proven fact - is either extremely ignorant or a bald-faced liar.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Nessie]

Archie on "Theories to explain lack of Prussian Blue (reply to patrick)"

viewtopic.php?p=26329#p26329

On Uncertainty

The argument here is essentially
-It's possible you are wrong
-Therefore you are wrong

I would say that the lack of iron cyanides, given the wall material and other factors, strongly suggests that Zyklon B was not used extensively in the rooms in question. Is it 100% conclusive? No, because we can never know the exact conditions. But so what? Things about the past usually can't be absolutely proved. The question is which explanation and assumptions are the most plausible and likely. The suppositions made on the other side could also be wrong.

Firstly, it is not know if no PB formed on the gas chamber walls. It may have started to form, but the Nazis destroyed the chambers.

The "other side" have evidence of usage on their side, that proves certain rooms inside the crematoriums were used for gassings. The uncertainty is why there is no apparent PB in any of them and one option ignored by so-called revisionists is that any traces were destroyed when the buildings were destroyed.

If this building was excavated, removing all the bricks and concrete, there may still be the faintest of traces of PB.

[Keen]

If this building was excavated, removing all the bricks and concrete, there may still be the faintest of traces of PB.

IOW, just like the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II, the PB fraudulently alleged to exist in the bricks and concrete of this building - is an unsubstantiated allegation.

[HansHill]

Keen has you by the balls Nessie!

>Acknowledges that the appearance of Prussian Blue would be a meaningful indicator of cyanide presence
>Refuses to acknowledge the inverse

Please never change.

[Nessie]

Keen has you by the balls Nessie!

>Acknowledges that the appearance of Prussian Blue would be a meaningful indicator of cyanide presence
>Refuses to acknowledge the inverse

Please never change.

I have Keen on ignore due to his bullying and abuse. I am not sure what you are referring to, but PB is a meaningful indicator of the use of Zyklon B, and no PB is an indicator that limited or no Zyklon B may have been used, inside a room.

The ruined state of the Kremas II to V and the farm house bunkers, mean that it is physically impossible to determine if there was some obvious, limited or no PB present in certain rooms within those buildings, when those places were operating as gas chambers. There is also no mention from any eyewitness as to the presence or not, of any staining on the walls.

Krema I shows no sign of PB, which would suggest limited or no exposure, but it has been modified and painted, so the interior walls are not as they were in 1941-2.

[Archie]

Firstly, it is not know if no PB formed on the gas chamber walls. It may have started to form, but the Nazis destroyed the chambers.

Apparently you are not aware that the cellars are still accessible. Leuchter and Rudolf and others went down through a hole in part of the roof and took samples from the interior walls of the cellar which are still there. All results are very low (0-10 ppm).

See Chemistry of Auschwitz,

"Figure 82: Hole in the ceiling of Morgue #1 (“gas chamber”) of Crematorium II, entry to the still-accessible part of the morgue. Maximum width: 50 cm; maximum length: 86 cm."

"Figure 81: Interior photograph taken from rear section of the ruins of Morgue #1 (“gas chamber”) of Crematorium II, August 1991. The arrow points to the sampling location (see Subsection 8.3.3)."

And 8.3.3

Care was taken to ensure that samples were only taken from material not exposed to weathering. Only a few places in Morgue #1 (the alleged “gas chamber”) in Crematorium II at Birkenau are suitable for this, where a pillar supports the roof even today and has therefore visibly protected both the underside of the roof and parts of the wall from all influence of weathering, exemplified by the presence of spider webs many years old and the absence of any trace of lime precipitation on the concrete or mortar, which would be caused by rainwater.

Many samples have already been taken from the alleged “gas chambers” by the Krakow team and Leuchter, all with at least nearly negative results.

[HansHill]

There is also no mention from any eyewitness as to the presence or not, of any staining on the walls.

Why are we out here lying? Here are just three from bombsaway's magic paint thread:

The gas chamber at Crematorium II [III] was underground. It had gray walls
and a gray ceiling. The floor was concrete....

..... The walls were made of concrete[sic]"

- Shaul Chazan as per Gideon Greif, pg 270/271

The floor was made of concrete. There
were windows under the roof and the room was lit by several lamps. The walls
were white, but outside there were red bricks.

Shlomo Dragon as per Gideon Greif, pg 153

What color were the walls of the gas chamber?
Somewhere between gray and white.
What was the floor of the gas chamber made of?
The whole floor was concrete.

Leon Cohen as per Gideon Greif, pg 297

Embarrassing.

[Nessie]

Firstly, it is not know if no PB formed on the gas chamber walls. It may have started to form, but the Nazis destroyed the chambers.

Apparently you are not aware that the cellars are still accessible. Leuchter and Rudolf and others went down through a hole in part of the roof and took samples from the interior walls of the cellar which are still there. All results are very low (0-10 ppm).

See Chemistry of Auschwitz,

"Figure 82: Hole in the ceiling of Morgue #1 (“gas chamber”) of Crematorium II, entry to the still-accessible part of the morgue. Maximum width: 50 cm; maximum length: 86 cm."

"Figure 81: Interior photograph taken from rear section of the ruins of Morgue #1 (“gas chamber”) of Crematorium II, August 1991. The arrow points to the sampling location (see Subsection 8.3.3)."

And 8.3.3

Care was taken to ensure that samples were only taken from material not exposed to weathering. Only a few places in Morgue #1 (the alleged “gas chamber”) in Crematorium II at Birkenau are suitable for this, where a pillar supports the roof even today and has therefore visibly protected both the underside of the roof and parts of the wall from all influence of weathering, exemplified by the presence of spider webs many years old and the absence of any trace of lime precipitation on the concrete or mortar, which would be caused by rainwater.

Many samples have already been taken from the alleged “gas chambers” by the Krakow team and Leuchter, all with at least nearly negative results.

That is cellar, not cellars and it is not viewable in its original condition. Only a small part can be accessed and as seen in the photos of the Majdanek delousing/gas chamber, PB does not form evenly over all the walls. Therefore, no visible PB in the part of the Krema II gas chamber that can be accessed, does not mean there was never any PB visible in it.

For all any of us know, PB did start to form on one or more of the gas chamber walls, at some point, but no eyewitness thought to mention it and the Nazi destruction prevented a full examination for its visible presence.

[Archie]

...PB is a meaningful indicator of the use of Zyklon B, and no PB is an indicator that limited or no Zyklon B may have been used, inside a room.

Nessie, you are basically arguing the revisionist side without realizing it. Since LK1 has no PB (a fact you are in denial about), you are supposed to be arguing that PB is worthless indicator.

Like Patrick does here where he calls it a "terrible measure."
https://x.com/ppow84/status/2070481602954621109
"No blue means nothing"
https://x.com/ppow84/status/2070567722916762036
Testing for total cyanide is "ridiculous" and "disingenuous"
https://x.com/ppow84/status/2091565409220665825

Bombsaway similarly argues that PB formation was prevented by a secret waterproof paint that later washed off entirely in the rain.

Nobody else on your side makes the argument you are making because it's really dumb and obviously wrong.

[Nessie]

There is also no mention from any eyewitness as to the presence or not, of any staining on the walls.

Why are we out here lying? Here are just three from bombsaway's magic paint thread:

The gas chamber at Crematorium II [III] was underground. It had gray walls
and a gray ceiling. The floor was concrete....

..... The walls were made of concrete[sic]"

- Shaul Chazan as per Gideon Greif, pg 270/271

The floor was made of concrete. There
were windows under the roof and the room was lit by several lamps. The walls
were white, but outside there were red bricks.

Shlomo Dragon as per Gideon Greif, pg 153

What color were the walls of the gas chamber?
Somewhere between gray and white.
What was the floor of the gas chamber made of?
The whole floor was concrete.

Leon Cohen as per Gideon Greif, pg 297

Embarrassing.

That is not conclusive. You are not very thorough and cherry pick what you want to believe. Were those eyewitnesses describing the first time they saw in the chambers, or the last? You don't even bother to show which gas chamber they are describing and which have no descriptions. The low traces of the HCN residue suggests that there never was obvious staining, as found in delousing chambers. But, small barely noticeable stains could have started to appear. You cannot rule that out. You are assuming a lack of evidence of presence, is evidence to prove absence.

Yet again, you embarrass yourself with your inability to investigate rationally. Instead, you latch onto what you want to accept and fail to acknowledge other possibles.

Evidentially and logically, you are a complete fail. There is corroborating evidence to prove mass gassings took place. The low levels of traces of HCN and the lack of any visible PB, or witness references to it, mean evidentially and logically, mass gassings did not leave traces at the levels found in the delousing chambers. That you cannot work out, to your satisfaction, why that is, is not evidence to prove there were no gassings.

[Nessie]

...PB is a meaningful indicator of the use of Zyklon B, and no PB is an indicator that limited or no Zyklon B may have been used, inside a room.

Nessie, you are basically arguing the revisionist side without realizing it. Since LK1 has no PB (a fact you are in denial about),

Not true, I said there is no visible PB. I have also said that in 1942, it may have started to form, but it could have been painted over.

... you are supposed to be arguing that PB is worthless indicator.

It is not worthless. It is also not as reliable as you want it to be. No sign of PB does not mean there were no mass gassings.

Like Patrick does here where he calls it a "terrible measure."
https://x.com/ppow84/status/2070481602954621109
"No blue means nothing"
https://x.com/ppow84/status/2070567722916762036
Testing for total cyanide is "ridiculous" and "disingenuous"
https://x.com/ppow84/status/2091565409220665825

Bombsaway similarly argues that PB formation was prevented by a secret waterproof paint that later washed off entirely in the rain.

Nobody else on your side makes the argument you are making because it's really dumb and obviously wrong.

I am surprised that no one else has thought to point out that the buildings could have had some minor, hardly noticeable traces of PB forming and that we will not know if that happened, because of the destruction of the buildings. Fact is you cannot rule out this gas chamber, had some PB on its walls, likely as faint traces, during its use;

[HansHill]

Why don't you write a followup essay about this, it would be fascinating. I'm sure Archie would sticky it front and center on the forum.

Your essay can address for example:

- The factors that determine the formation of Prussian Blue
- The concentrations and exposure times required to ensure PB formation at the Kremas
- Analyses of where Prussian Blue has been documented in other locations (eg the fumigation chambers, Meussen's soil samples, the Bavarian churches etc)
- The longevity of Prussian Blue once formed

(A lot of the heavy lifting has been done for you here, and you will get most if not all of your information from Germar Rudolf)

You can then continue and explain:

- Why Richard Green, Robert Jan Van Pelt and Josef Bailer were wrong to assert why Prussian Blue is categorically not able to form in the Kremas
- Why Markiewicz was wrong to omit it from his analysis
- What happened to those pesky blue bricks that we no longer see them

Fellas? Would we support and encourage Nessie in writing this essay?

[Stubble]

Put my stone in the yes bucket if it's a vote.