Where were the Jews, in 1944?

[Nessie]

Between 1939 and 1944, the Nazis, acting under the Nuremberg Race Laws, identified, registered and arrested millions of Jews. Every country they occupied or were aligned to, cooperated to one degree or another with the Laws, assisting with the identification, registration and arrests. Nazi and national documents, along with witnesses and photos, prove the mass arrests. More details are known about the arrests in the Netherlands, because of how organised the Dutch were, compared to Latvia, where many turned on their Jewish neighbours and Latvians killed Jews.

So-called revisionists claim that the arrested Jews were not gassed or shot. If that was the case, then the Latvian Jews moved to a new, single ghetto in Riga in 1941 and the 34k Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor in 1943, should still be alive in Nazi custody in 1944. The Danish, Finnish and Free French governments were the least cooperative and as a result, there is evidence as to the whereabouts of their Jewish populations in 1944.

Nazgul has repeatedly claimed that he has evidence of the whereabouts of the Jews in 1944, but repeated requests have failed to result in any evidence. Recently, this was provided, various lists of camps;

Zwangsarbeitslager for Jews in...
"Reichskommissariat Ostland" https://archive.is/Y1IUO
Österreich https://archive.is/Gd3fe
A-G https://archive.is/fTYhS
G-L https://archive.is/6dh7h
L-S https://archive.is/IFhJj
S-Z https://archive.is/MPVL5

The problem with that evidence is that the majority of camps listed had closed by 1944, or there is no date, and crucially, the camp's population of Jews is not listed. So, that is not evidence of a camp system accommodating millions of Jews in 1944.

So, where were they?

[Nazgul]

Nazgul has repeatedly claimed that he has evidence of the whereabouts of the Jews in 1944, but repeated requests have failed to result in any evidence. Recently, this was provided, various lists of camps;
So, where were they?

Here

Jewish Labour Camps 1944, showing 1941 borders.

[Nessie]

Supply the name of each camp a dot on the map represents and its Jewish population in 1944, please.

[borjastick]

Instead of asking ridiculous questions let's start at the basic level with details and facts that even a low IQ believer can't argue with.

The claim that millions of jews were arrested and millions of jews were sent to the camps is wrong. There were about 4m jews across the whole of europe pre war, by that I mean about 1936 which included Spain, Ireland, Britain etc. Many of those left for safer places in the mid to late thirties and even then we know that in places such as Portugal, Spain, Vichy France etc the jews were largely unhindered by the Germans.

My guess, and it is just a guess, is that about 1.5 - 2m jews were rounded up by the Germans and removed to either camps, or re-planted into occupied eastern europe (Russia etc). Many many jews appeared in places they were thought to have been removed from at the end of the war. So let's stop the constant hysteria about 'millions' because it simply wasn't. And no Nessie I am not responding to any of your stupid childish questions.

As for maps with dots on and asking for details of each and every dot, grow up! You and your gas chamber travelers have been very active telling people there were up to 20k camps across europe but then go quiet on the matter when an awkward question or two pops up.

It's sort of maybe, possibly similar to the visitor figures for London's Millenium Dome. They spent tens of millions building it for the turn of the millenium to attract visitors to a living museum and entertainment venue, and very good it was too. But they estimated and were certain that one million would come every month. Twelve million in the year 2000. Ooops, only about 1m came in the whole year but that would not stop people telling us how successful it was and calculating the costs spread across 12m visitors.

The bottom line is many many jews left europe freely and of their own accord prior to the sticky stuff happening, and I don't blame them. Then the rest were either left in situ or were shunted east into camps or relocated.

If Nessie and her mates think differently good for them but shut up until you can prove they were exterminated and disposed of as claimed. I won't hold my breath.

[Nessie]

Instead of asking ridiculous questions let's start at the basic level with details and facts that even a low IQ believer can't argue with.

The claim that millions of jews were arrested and millions of jews were sent to the camps is wrong.

Really, lets see....

There were about 4m jews across the whole of europe pre war, by that I mean about 1936 which included Spain, Ireland, Britain etc. Many of those left for safer places in the mid to late thirties and even then we know that in places such as Portugal, Spain, Vichy France etc the jews were largely unhindered by the Germans.

According to Korherr "In 1937 10.3 million (60%) were living in Europe...". According to the Wannsee minutes "Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question..."

What is the source of your 4 million?

My guess, and it is just a guess,

Why not use evidence, rather than guessing?

... is that about 1.5 - 2m jews were rounded up by the Germans and removed to either camps, or re-planted into occupied eastern europe (Russia etc). Many many jews appeared in places they were thought to have been removed from at the end of the war. So let's stop the constant hysteria about 'millions' because it simply wasn't. And no Nessie I am not responding to any of your stupid childish questions.

The Warsaw ghetto alone was 490,000. Lodz was 165,000. Korherr recorded the "total evacuation" of Jews from the Reich, as 1,873,549 in April 1943. Wannsee recorded the Jewish population of Latvia as 3,500, when it had been nearly 100,000. The only significant Jewish population left in 1944 was in Hungary, and over 400,000 of them were sent to A-B. There is ample evidence that between 1939 and 1944, 6 to 7 million Jews were arrested by the Nazis. Many, such as those arrested by the Einsatzgruppen, were placed in temporary ghettos and then shot. Himmler reported to Hitler in 1942, that 363,211 Jews had been executed over a period of just 4 months.

Questions that make you uncomfortable and you cannot answer, are good questions.

As for maps with dots on and asking for details of each and every dot, grow up!

Nazgul presents the map as evidence of millions of Jews still alive in 1944, but it is not evidence if he cannot name the camps and their Jewish population.

You and your gas chamber travelers have been very active telling people there were up to 20k camps across europe but then go quiet on the matter when an awkward question or two pops up.

What questions?

It's sort of maybe, possibly similar to the visitor figures for London's Millenium Dome. They spent tens of millions building it for the turn of the millenium to attract visitors to a living museum and entertainment venue, and very good it was too. But they estimated and were certain that one million would come every month. Twelve million in the year 2000. Ooops, only about 1m came in the whole year but that would not stop people telling us how successful it was and calculating the costs spread across 12m visitors.

The bottom line is many many jews left europe freely and of their own accord prior to the sticky stuff happening, and I don't blame them. Then the rest were either left in situ or were shunted east into camps or relocated.

How many left Europe, left in situ and sent east? Show your evidence.

If Nessie and her mates think differently good for them but shut up until you can prove they were exterminated and disposed of as claimed. I won't hold my breath.

I am a he, not a she, and mass killings have been proven.

[borjastick]

Mrs Nessie doing exactly what I said she would do by responding with ridiculously silly and irrelevant questions that he couldn't answer either.

It's like dealing with a recalcitrant autistic child.

For the hard of understanding (read fucking dumb assholes) exact figures were never known, could not be known and will never be known. There were upwards of twenty million effing people killed and the same on the move after the war ended and the jews weren't exactly going to report themselves to their local Mayor's office were they. It really should not be this difficult to deal with a moron, but somehow it is.

[HansHill]

If Nessie and her mates think differently good for them but shut up until you can prove they were exterminated and disposed of as claimed. I won't hold my breath.

No murder weapon.
No disposal method.

It really is that simple!

[Nessie]

No murder weapon.
No disposal method.

It really is that simple!

OK, if that is the case, where were the millions of Jews whom the Nazis recorded as living in Axis occupied Europe in 1939, living in 1944?

I can give you a head start. The Danish Jews were in Sweden. The Finnish Jews were still in Finland. How about you start with German Jews? Where were they in 1944?

[borjastick]

And off he goes again...

[curioussoul]

For the hard of understanding (read fucking dumb assholes) exact figures were never known, could not be known and will never be known.

Not known = they were all gassed, according to the official story. That's literally the official explanation. Since we have no idea what happened, they must have been gassed.

[InuYasha]

German Jews in 1944 were in concentration camps in Germany and Poland. As Germany lost territory in the East, they were evacuated further to the West. From Auschwitz, for example, some Jews (voluntarily!) went with the Germans at the end of 1944. There was also a ghetto in Poland, from which Jews headed deep into the Reich in August.

[Nessie]

For the hard of understanding (read fucking dumb assholes) exact figures were never known, could not be known and will never be known.

Not known = they were all gassed, according to the official story. That's literally the official explanation. Since we have no idea what happened, they must have been gassed.

Wrong.

1 - There is evidence they were gassed.
2 - There is no evidence of millions still alive in 1944.
3 - They must have been gassed.

You cannot dispute that, so you misrepresent it by missing out part 1.

[Nessie]

German Jews in 1944 were in concentration camps in Germany and Poland. As Germany lost territory in the East, they were evacuated further to the West. From Auschwitz, for example, some Jews (voluntarily!) went with the Germans at the end of 1944. There was also a ghetto in Poland, from which Jews headed deep into the Reich in August.

Please evidence German Jews, deported to Latvia in 1941-2, alive in camps in Germany and Poland in 1944.

[Nazgul]

Please evidence German Jews, deported to Latvia in 1941-2, alive in camps in Germany and Poland in 1944.

Here are a few, but of course 5 or 5 thousand would never be enough for you. When they left for Stuthoff it is plural.

Susan Taube, Judin.
Deported to the Riga ghetto in occupied Latvia in January 1942; the liquidation of the ghetto in October 1943 and being deported to the nearby Kaiserwald concentration camp; being separated from her mother and sister; being transported to Stutthof in August 1944 and then to Sophienwalde. Susan

Sylvia Distel, Judin.
September 1943; being taken with her family to Kaiserwald and later to Stutthof; being separated from her father and never seeing him again. Sylvia

Trude Meyer and Jenny Thompson, Judin.
Deportated to Riga ghetto in Latvia in 1941, their subsequent transport to Kaiserwald concentration camp in 1943, and their experiences in these places. She discusses her sister's and her transfer to an AEG factory in Torun, Poland in 1944. Trude & Jenny

Vera Oppenheim, Judin.
deported to Auschwitz; forced labor; being moved to the Riga ghetto in Latvia; performing forced labor on a farm; returning to the Kaiserwald concentration camp in Riga; being sent to Stutthof by boat. Vera

Zhenja Gurevich, Judin.
Transferred to Kaiserwald and returning to Strazde; traveling by boat to Stutthof. Zhenja

[Nessie]

Please evidence German Jews, deported to Latvia in 1941-2, alive in camps in Germany and Poland in 1944.

Here are a few, but of course 5 or 5 thousand would never be enough for you. When they left for Stuthoff it is plural.

Susan Taube, Judin.
Deported to the Riga ghetto in occupied Latvia in January 1942; the liquidation of the ghetto in October 1943 and being deported to the nearby Kaiserwald concentration camp; being separated from her mother and sister; being transported to Stutthof in August 1944 and then to Sophienwalde. Susan

Sylvia Distel, Judin.
September 1943; being taken with her family to Kaiserwald and later to Stutthof; being separated from her father and never seeing him again. Sylvia

Trude Meyer and Jenny Thompson, Judin.
Deportated to Riga ghetto in Latvia in 1941, their subsequent transport to Kaiserwald concentration camp in 1943, and their experiences in these places. She discusses her sister's and her transfer to an AEG factory in Torun, Poland in 1944. Trude & Jenny

Vera Oppenheim, Judin.
deported to Auschwitz; forced labor; being moved to the Riga ghetto in Latvia; performing forced labor on a farm; returning to the Kaiserwald concentration camp in Riga; being sent to Stutthof by boat. Vera

Zhenja Gurevich, Judin.
Transferred to Kaiserwald and returning to Strazde; traveling by boat to Stutthof. Zhenja

Distel was Polish and Gurevich was Lithuanian. The other 4 were German, and with only 4, all you have proved is the known selection process, by which some worked and were sent to labour camps and survived. The result was that a few hundred thousand arrested Jews did survive the war. There were 214,000 German Jews in Germany in 1939. By May 1943, there were about 20,000, most of whom were not considered full Jews and some in hiding. That means if the others had not been killed, there should have been 194,000 German Jews in the camps in 1944. Obviosuly, you have no evidence of that. You found 4, thinking you had found 6.

The issue is that you cannot evidence millions alive in camps in 1944, which, since there is an evidence trail for the handful who did survive, means that survival leaves evidence, and you have none.