List of "direct" eyewitnesses to gassings.

[Nessie]

A list complied by Das Prussian, who wrote the introduction;

"This thread has been started as a continuation of a debate between me and Been There from the Kitty Hart-Moxon thread where I claimed to have the names of approx. 300 witnesses who confirmed gassings took place at the by-now familiar locations that are accepted or debated as extermination sites, including the Russian territory where the gas vans operated. The main reason for producing such a list is to highlight the sheer magnitude of witnesses that confirm gassings, which in itself goes a long way in rendering any revisionist 'hoax' claims as (if I'm being kind) unconvincing . I also believe such a list may be useful as a basic form of reference for forum members.

Obviously the list shouldn't include any 'hearsay' witnesses, whom they themselves number in the hundreds, which in itself suggests the likelihood of gassings occurring as being highly plausible. But anyway....

The first thing you may notice is that I have inserted the word "direct" from the title in quote marks. This is because I anticipate a fair amount of objection from some quarters in respect what constitutes an actual 'direct' witness. So I think before I proceed I need to explain how I have defined the term 'direct' :

Generally, anyone who confirmed that gassings were carried out by virtue of witnessing a 'gassing-related' action occurring can be categorised as a direct witness in my opinion. To be more specific, anyone who observed groups of Jews being herded into the gassing sites, and then (preferably) observing their dead bodies afterwards (although this is not essential, especially if the witness would have been in a position to obtain reliable information on whether a gassing was being carried out ), observed gas being introduced into these sites, and witnessed the dead bodies in or near the gassing site at the end of the episode is a 'direct' witness. I have also included the mechanics who confirmed the existence of such killer vehicles by way of repairing and testing them. Also anyone who actually observed the inside of gas chamber is included as 'direct' too. It is my opinion that if a gas van or gas chamber was observed to have existed then this massively increases the likelihood that the gas vans/chambers were actually used , especially in light of the testimony of so many Nazis who confirmed they had knowledge that gassings were carried out ( although I do accept that the 'direct witness' status of these individuals is a 'grey area').


Anyway, I will press on . I cannot claim to be 100% confident I have explained the criteria to everyone's satisfaction, or whether everyone would agree with it, but I think it's best if I just produce the list and deal with any queries after : ( Please note that in addition to the names there are also one-line brief 'notes' that give other details such as the nature of the testimony and what trial it was used in - they were all on my original excel spreadsheet and it would have took me too long to edit them out)

Just as a final note, Been There requested I included links or access to the testimonies. Unfortunately considering I have had to rely on books as well as Holocaust Controversies articles/various other websites etc for my information , the practicalities of providing a link for all 294 names are too difficult and time consuming to produce (for me anyhow). So, I suggest if anyone wants further details on the testimony of any named witness from the list, they will just have to request it from me and I will endeavour to supply them with what I have got. Finally, no doubt I may have made some errors along the way in producing this list ( which is the result of approx. 4 years of basic 'research' ), and I welcome any criticisms or objections."

The list :

A1) Auschwitz Nazis :

1) Rudolf Hoess Nuremberg - witness
Krakow - 1947
2) Maximillian Grabner Krakow - 1947
(Gestapo chief) interrogation Vienna 1.9.45
GARF f7201
3) Erich Mussfeldt Krakow - 1947
In charge of crem 2&3 (May - aug 44)
3) Josef Kramer 'The Beast of Belsen' Belsen - 1945
Birkenau camp commander
4) Fritz Klein Belsen - 1945
SS Doctor
5) Franz Hoessler Belsen - 1945
Main camp commander - 1944
6) Stefan Baretzki Frankfurt - 1965
Block chief
7) Perry Broad Affidavit 14.12.45 Minden
Gestapo report 13.07.45
Frankfurt - 1965
Hamburg - 1946 (witness tesch trial)
8) Emil Hantl Frankfurt - 1965
Medical orderly
9) Franz Hofmann Frankfurt - 1965
SS camp leader
10) Oswald Kaduk Soviet Military Tribunal - 1947
SS report leader Frankfurt - 1965
11) Josef Klehr Frankfurt - 1965
Medical orderly
12) Hans Stark Frankfurt - 1965
Gestapo
13) Hans Aumeier Interrogation by British
Head of detention camp 1942 Krakow - 1947
14) Johann Paul Kremer Krakow - 1947
Doctor Munster - 1960
Frankfurt - 1965 witness
15) Oskar Groening
SS guard/bookkeeper
16) Richard Bock Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS driver interrogation 2.11.60
17) Anton Wilhelmy Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS garrison doctor
18) Martin Wilks Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS garrison doctor/bookkeeper?
19) Karl Hoblinger Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
20) Karl Broch Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS political dept
21) Henry Storch Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS pharmacy
22) Kurt Jurasek Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS garrison doctor
23) Konrad Morgen Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS investigator Nuremberg
24) Gerhard Wiebeck Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS investigator
25) Anton Siebald Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
26) Franz Tomaszewski Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
27) Willy Wildermuth Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
28) Gerhard Hess Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS farming
29) Victor Capesius Frankfurt - 1965
Doctor
30) Friedrich Entress Landsberg
Doctor affidavit 14.4.47
NO-2362
31) Josef Erber (Houstek)
Political dept
32) Horst Fischer manuscript and interog sep 65
Doctor Leipzig (E Germany) - 1966
33) Adam Hradil interogation 13.8.63
SS motor pool
34) Otto Moll Dachau Trial 1945
interrogation joint with hoess 16.4.46

A2) Auschwitz Jewish Sonderkommando

1) Filip Muller Frankfurt - 1965
arrived apr 1942 Krakow - 1947
(death march ?)
2) Shlomo Dragon - brother of abraham Polish Commission - 1945
arrived dec 42 Soviet interrogation - 1945
(escaped from death march with Vienna - 1972
henryk tauber)
3) Henryk Tauber Polish Commission - 1945
arrived jan 43 soviet interrogation feb 45
(escaped from death march with
schlomo dragon)
4) Alain Feinsilder ( Stanislow Jankowski) Polish Commission - 1945
arrived mar 42 Declaration 29.9.80 Paris
( death march ?) Jewish historical commission 1945
5) David Olere
arrived mar 43
(death march to mauthausen ? - ebensee)
6) Daniel Bennahmias
arrived apr 44
(death march as per book preview)
7) Henryk Mandelbaum
arrived apr 44
(escaped from death march )
8) Dario Gabbai - brother of Ya'akov - cousin of Morris Venezia
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen? - melk - ebensee)
9) Morris Venezia - cousin of Dario Gabbai
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen ?)
10) Shlomo Venezia
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen ?)
10) Milton Buki 4/1/46 deposition Linz
arrived dec 42 7/1/46 deposition Vienna ( re Grabner)
(death march ?) Frankfurt - 1965
11) Dov Pasikovic Frankfurt - 1965
arrived may 44
(death march?)
12) Ya'akov Silberberg interrogation 2.6.71
arrived dec 42 ?
(escaped from death march)
13) Joshua (Szyja) Rosenblum
arrived feb 44
14) Leon Cohen
arrived nov 43 ?
(death march to mauthausen)
15) Otto Pressburger
arrived mar 42
(death march ?)
16) Maurice Benroubi
arrived July 42
(tfrd to jawischowitz mine sep 42)
17) Shaul Chazan
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen-melk)
18) Abraham Dragon - brother of shlomo
arrived dec 42
(death march to mauthausen)
19) Eliezer Eisenschnidt
arrived dec 42
(escaped from death march)
20) Ya'akov Gabai - brother of Dario
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen-gusen)
21) Samuel Hejblum
arrived aug 42
22) Morris Kesselman
arrived mar 43
(death march to mauthausen)
23) Gabriel Malinski
24) David Nencel
arrived dec 42
(death march to mauthausen - ebensee)
25) Lemko Pliszko
arrived jan 43
26) Josef Sackar
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen - melk- ebensee)

A3) Auschwitz other inmates

1) Jozef Paczynski - Pole
2) Michael Kula - Pole Protocol testimony 11.6.45
3) Alexander Princz - Jew Frankfurt - 1965
4) Hermann Langbein - Austrian Frankfurt - 1965 Vienna - 197
5) Karl Lill - Czech Frankfurt - 1965
6) Zdzislaw Mikolajski - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
7) Walter Petzold -German ? report 17.05.45 Frankfurt - 1965
8) Henryk Porebski - Pole deposition 28.08.47 - krakow Frankfurt - 1965
9) Fritz Adolf Putzker - German ? Frankfurt - 1965
10) Edward Pys interrogation 23.10.59 Frankfurt - 1965
11) Jan Sikorski - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
12) Herbert Tischler Frankfurt - 1965
13) Karl Bracht Frankfurt - 1965
14) Franciszek Gulba - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
15) Ignacy Golik - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
16) Ananij Silovich Pet'ko russian escapee nov 43
17) Vladimir Jakovlevich Pegov russian escapee nov 43
18) Ludwik Banach deposition 18.7.47 - poland garrison trial
19) Moshe Garbarz - Jew (tfrd to jawischowitz mine sep 42)
20) Bogdan Glinski deposition 17.9.47 - poland garrison trial
21) Kazimierz Halgas
22) Bartosz Oziemkowski Frankfurt - 1965
23) Roger Pelisson
24) Adolf Rogner - German account march 46 garrison trial
25) Maurice Schellekes - Jew deposition 1981 haifa
26) Edgar Steinmetz affidavit ?
27) Wladyslaw Tondos - Pole
28) Josef Vacek - Czech interrogation 8.5.45 Buchenwald
29) Jozef Weber - Pole
30) William Wolfahrt - Pole Krakow - 1947
31) Jan Wolny - Pole
32) Adam Zacharski
33) Czeslaw Sulkowski - Pole
( same person as Stanislaw Slizowski ?)
34) Wojciech Barcz Frankfurt - 1965
35) Franciszek Brol Frankfurt - 1965
36) Stanislaw Slizowski - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
( same person as Czeslaw Sulkowski ?)
37) Zenon Rozansky - Pole (Officer)
38) Ota Fabian - Jew Frankfurt - 1965
39) Rudolf Gibian - Jew Frankfurt - 1965
40) Stanislaw Glowa - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
41) Czeslaw Glowacki - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
42) Alexander Germanski - Pole
43) Tadeusz Kurant - Pole
44) Karol Sienek - Pole
45) Wieslaw Kielar - Pole
46) Rudolf Vrba ( Walter Rosenberg) Frankfurt - 1965 slovak jew - escaped apr 44 statement for eichmann trial zundel - 1985 (hearsay)
47) Kitty Hart Moxon - I Am Alive - 1974 - pp.85-86

A4) Auschwitz Jewish Doctors

1) Andre Lettich French Jew 25.7.42 - dec 42? He only seen bunkers.
2) (Charles) ? Sigismund Paul Bendel Belsen - 1945 Romanian Jew (based in France?) Tesch Trial -1946 07.12.43 Farben Trial - 1948
3) Miklos Nyiszli deposition 28.7.45 hungary Hungarian jew - may 44-jan45 affidavit 8.10.47 Nuremberg

A5) Krema engineers from Topf & Sons

1) Kurt Prufer - senior engineer
2) Karl Schultze - ventilation engineer/design
3) Heinrich Messing - ventilation installation
4) Fritz Sander - oven design

B1) Chelmno Nazis

1) Walter Piller Lodz - 1945 Camp deputy commandant May 45 report while prisoner
Central Moscow Archives + YVA 053/12 ZSl Coll vol 411 part 7 fol 16ff
2) Hermann Gielow Lodz - 1945 Gas van driver/operator
3) Bruno Israel (born Bruno Koenig) Lodz - 1945 Order Policeman ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
special vol A fol 423
4) Gustaw Laabs Bonn - 1962-65
Gas van driver/operator deposition 29.11.60
ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 4 fols 525ff - 527
5) Walter Burmeister Bonn - 1962-65
Gas van driver/operator + Lange's driver ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
+ Bothmann's adjutant vol 6 fols 967f
vol 7a fols 1157,1162
6) Alois Hafele Bonn - 1962-65
Hauskommando leader ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 4 fol 601
7) Kurt Mobius Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 5 fol 877
8) Karl Heinl Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard
9) Ernst Burmeister Bonn - 1962-65
Head of police guard
10) Heinrich Bock Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 6 fol 1000f
11) Anton Mehring Bonn - 1962-65
SS personnel
12) Alexsander Steinke Bonn - 1962-65
SS personnel
13) Friedrich Maderholz Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard
14) Wilhelm Heukelbach Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard
15) Wilhelm Schulte Bonn - 1962-65
SS personnel
16) Gustaw Fiedler Cologne - 1965
Camp guard
17) Henryk Mania Poznan - 2001
Polish Volksdeutscher
18) Theodor Malzmuller statement 27.06.60
Camp guard AR-Z 69/59 vol3 p412
19) Friedrich Hensen statement 13.07.45
Camp guard
captured by british in hagen 15.04.45
20) Fritz Ismer Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard interrogation 01.08.61
no charges made against him criminal case 141 js 204/60
21) Frank Sch ???? Bonn - 1962-65 ?
Forest Camp guard
22) Franz Schalling
Security guard - non ss
23) Jakob W Bonn - 1962-65
Police officer from Litzmannstadt battalion ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 5 fol 856
24) Johann H Vienna Court Interrogation
Austrian 'members of camp' AZ:27b Vr 4726/62
25) Josef P as above
26) Josef I Bonn - 1962-65
Policeman ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 7a fol 1224f

B2) Chelmno 'non-camp' Nazi staff

1) Karl El ???? Greifswald - 1951
Police Schupo Lodz Gustrow - 1952
2) Adolf Eichmann Eichmann Trial - 1961
Interrogation
3) Rudolf Hoess -
Auschwitz camp commander
4) Heinrich May - Yad Vashem M-21/477
Forest Superintendent for Kolo district report for americans 1945
5) Walter Dejaco - report 17.09.42 - NO-4467
Untersturmfuhrer - Auschwitz architect Vienna 1972 (re auschwitz)
6) Arthur Greiser - Posnan - 1946
Gauleiter of Warthgau

B3) Chelmno - Jewish inmates

1) Mordechai (Michel ?) Podchlebnik Lodz - 1945 - 9.6.45
escaped jan 42 - 1st period Eichman Trial - 1961
2) Mordechai Zurawski Lodz - 1945 ?
2nd period Poznan - 1946 (Greisers Trial)
saved by russians Eichman Trial - 1961
3) Simon Srebnik Lodz - 1945 - 29.6.45
2nd period Eichman Trial - 1961
shot by germans, saved by russians Bonn - 1962-65
4) Szlamek Bajler ( Yakov Grojanowski)
escaped 19.01.42 - 1st period
didn't survive war

B4) Chelmno - Gas van mechanics

1) Jozef Piaskowski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic employed in the Testimony 10.06.45
Reichsstrassenbauamt in Kolo AIPN GK 165/271
2) Bronislaw Mankowski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic employed in the Testimony 11.06.45
Reichsstrassenbauamt in Kolo AIPN GK 165/271
3) Bronislaw Falborski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic employed in the Kraft
company in Kolo
4) Jerzy Fojcik Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 06.07.45
BA B162/21962 p 357ff
5) Zenon Rossa Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 13.06.45
AIPN GK 165/271
6) Michael Lewandowski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 04.07.45
AIPN GK 165/271
7) Miroslaw Junkiert Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 13.07.45
AIPN GK 165/271

C1) Sobibor Nazis

1) Franz Stangl 1970 - Dussledorf
Camp commander Sobibor and Treblinka
2) Karl Frenzel 1966 - Hagen
1985 - Hagen retrial
3) Kurt Bolender 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich ?
4) Franz Wolf 1966 - Hagen
5) Alfred Ittner 1966 - Hagen
(accountant pre sobibor)
6) Werner Dubois 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
7) Erich Fuchs 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
1961 - Dortmund ?
YVA TR 10/1069
8) Erich Lachmann 1966 - Hagen

9) Hans-Heinz Schutt 1966 - Hagen

10) Heinrich Unverhau 1948 - Euthenasia
1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
11) Robert Juhrs 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
12) Ernst Zierke 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
13) Erwin Lambert 1966 - Hagen
14) Hubert Gomerski 1947 - Euthenasia Trial
1950 - Frankfu
15) Erich Bauer 1950 - Frankfurt
"The Gasmaster" 1961 - Dortmund ?
16) Johan Klier 1950 - Frankfurt
17) Karl Streibel 1976 - Hamburg
Commander of Trawinki camp - visitor to Sobibor dec 42
18) Franz Hodl 1950 - Frankfurt
witness ?
29.03.66 StA Dortmund - verfahren gegen gomerski ??
19) Heinrich Barbl 1965 - Linz
20) Becher Warner 1966 - Hagen ?
Driver witness?
21) Gustav Wagner escaped to brazil
deputy commander of camp
the beast' or 'the wolf'

D1) Treblinka Nazis :


1) Franz Stangl 1970 - Dussledorf
Camp commander Sobibor and Treblinka
2) Kurt Franz 1964 - Dussledorf
deputy camp commander. 'the doll'
3) Willi Mentz 1964 - Dussledorf
'the gunman of Treblinka' - 'frankenstein'
4) Heinrich Mattes 1964 - Dussledorf
'doctor'
5) Otto von Horn 1964 - Dussledorf
1990's - IvanTerrible
(witness)
6) Erwin Lambert 1964 - Dussledorf
'the flying architect'
7) Franz Suchomel 1964 - Dussledorf
8) August Miete 1964 - Dussledorf
'Angel of death'
9) Gustav Munzberger 1964 - Dussledorf
10) Otto Stadie 1964 - Dussledorf
11) Rudolf Hoess
Auschwitz camp commander
12) Dr Irmfried Erbel arrested jan 48
First commander of camp - replaced for incompetence
13) Erich Fuchs
based at sobibor

D2) Treblinka Ukranian camp staff :

1) Feodor Federenko 1.pre-trial testimony
25.05.76 hartford usa
2.denaturalisation
USA june 78
3. Russian Trial - 1950?
2) Nikolay Shalayev ( guard and motorist) 1. protokol doprosa -
18.12.50 (federenko trial?)
2. Jack Reimer trial -
usa 2004 - GX-126
3) Ivan Semyonovich Shevchenko 1. protokol doprosa -
08.09.44.
2. GARF 7445-2-34 p19
4) Pavel Leleko protokol doprosa -
20.02.45.
5) Nikolai Malagon 1. interrogation -
18.03.78 russia
(for demjanuk trial ?)
6) Prokofij Ryabtsev 1.protokol doprosa -
03.02.65.
2. Jack Reimer trial -
usa 2004 - GX-121
7) Georgij Aleksandr Skidan 1. 26.05.50
2. Jack Reimer trial -
usa 2004 - GX-141

D3) Treblinka - Jewish inmates :

1) Jankiel Wiernik - 8/42-8/43 revolt Polish Commission 1946
Eichmann Trial - 1961
2) Chil Rajchman - 9/42-8/43 revolt Polish Commission 1946
(Yechiel Reichman) Demjanuk Trial - USA 1981
Demjanuk Trial - Israel 1988
YVT - 03/3816
3) Jerzy Rajgrotski -9/42-8/43 revolt jewish historical institute
1958 no25 106-108
4) Sonia Lewkowicz - 12/42-8/43 revolt Federenko Trial - USA 1978
Demjanuk Trial - USA 1981
YVT - 03/4181
5) Abraham Goldfarb - 8/42 - 8/43 revolt Protokol doprosa - 21.09.44
GARF 7445-2-134 P31
YVT - 03/1846
6) Chaim Sztajer -9/42 - 8/43 revolt Demjanuk Trial - Israel 1988
7) Pinchas Epstein - 9/42-8/43 revolt Demjanuk Trial - Israel 1988
Eichmann Trial - 1961
8) Samuel Rajzman - 9/42-8/43 Polish Commission 1946
note - mainly hearsay nuremberg - 1946
Yad Vashem Testimony
Federenko Trial - USA 1978
1964 Dussledorf
report 1944
YVT 03/547
9) Eliyahu Rosenberg - 9/42-8/43 revolt Statement Vienna 1947
Demjanuk Trial - USA 1981
Eichmann Trial - 1961
YVA 03/4039
10) Abraham Bomba - 9/42 - 12/42 escaped
11) Abraham Kaszepicki - 8/42-9/42 for 18 days escaped report dec 42
12) Mendel Korytnicki - ?? Protokol doprosa - 23.09.44
GARF 7445-2-134 P56r
13) David Milgroim - 1942 escaped after a week report made in slovakia 8/43
note - unsure if hearsay OSS? In istanbul recd 1944
14) Leon Finklestein - 7/42 - 8/43 revolt Polish Commission 1946


E1) Belzec Nazis :

1) Josef Oberhauser 1963 - Munich statement
Adjutant to Wirth - Dec 41 14.12.62 208 AR-Z 252/59 vol 9 p1681ff
1948 - Magdeburg -
(euthanasia)
15.11.71- Hoffmann Trial
8 ks 1/70 vol 3 p881
2) Erich Fuchs 1966 - Hagen
Truckdriver ? 1963 - Munich
Dortmund AZ 45 Js 27/61
3) Heinrich Gley 1963 - Munich
Guard AZ Js 64-83/61
4) Werner (Karl ?) Dubois 1966 - Hagen
Truckdriver 1963 - Munich
1971 - Hoffman ?
Statement 16.09.61
5) Karl (Alfred?)Schluch 1963 - Munich
Guard 11.11.61 BAL 162/208
AZ Js 64-83/61
AR-Z 252/59 Bd 8 p1514
6) Heinrich Unverhau 1948 - Euthenasia
1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
7) Robert Juhrs 1966 - Hagen
Guard 1963 - Munich
8) Ernst Zierke 1966 - Hagen
Guard 1963 - Munich
9) Kurt Franz 1964 - Dussledorf
Cook
10) Fritz Tauscher 1963 - Munich
18.12.63 deposition
BAL B162/208 AR-Z 252/59
11) Franz Stangl 1970 - Dussledorf


Other :

12) Wilhelm Pfannenstiel - visited aug 42 1950 - Darmstadt
Professor of Hygiene 1959 - Marburg
1965 - Munich (prosecution witness)
13) Kurt Gerstein - visited aug 42 report nuremberg PS-1553
Disinfection officer
14) Paul Rassiniers 'mystery visitor'

E2) Belzec Ukranian camp staff :

1) Alexandr Illarionovich Semigodov deposition 24.05.73 Penza
BAL B162/208
AR-Z 643/71 Bd IV f 704-11
2) Filipp Babenko protokol doprosa 12.11.48
ASBU Kiev
6397-58240 pp 12-19
3) Peter Petrowitsch Browzew
(he escaped 3.2.43 and joined partisans)

E3) Belzec Jewish inmates :

1) Rudolf Reder - 8/42 - 11/42 escaped 1963 - Munich
29.12.45 BAL 162/208
AR-Z 252/59 P1177-76
2) Chaim Hirszman - 11/42? - 7/43 escaped 19.03.46 in front of
note murdered after testimony in lublin historical commission of Lublin

F1) Gas Vans Nazis

1) Dr August Becker statement 26.03.60
Gas van inspector AR-Z 220/59 vol 1 p194
2) Josef Wendl Austria 1970
Gas van driver Bd. 1X, ON 117 p16
Interrogation 12.02.69
YVA TR 10/118 vol 1 p40ff
3) Emanual Schafer Cologne. JuNSV Bd X1
Sipo - SD commander Belgrade Nr. 362
Hannover - 1961 (pradels trial)
RSHA 11 D 3 501-PS
4) Ernst Biberstein Einsatz trial nbg - 1947
Commander of commando 6 of EZG C NO-4314
5) Georg Weiss Testimony 1962 ?
Driver for Rolf Maurer
6) Paul Blobel Einsatz trial nbg - 1947
Commander of EZG C NO-3824 6.6.47
7) Curt Emmrich ( pen name Peter Bamm)

8) Karl Gebl Deposition Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver - Minsk AZ:2Js 299/60 vol 10 fols 48ff
interog 23.10.62
BA B162/5068 p 624
9) Erich Gnewuch Deposition Munich - 1961
Gas van driver - Minsk AZ:2Js 104/61 vol 10 fols 48ff
ZSL:AZ:2 AR-Z 94/59 vol 5 fol 1013
10) Johann Hassler Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver - Orel AZ:2 Js 299/60 vol 9 fol 177ff
Interrogation 12.09.62 +26.09.66
BA B162/5068 p 639f
BA B162/18154 p 56f note these gassings also confirmed by Ott (head of einsatz 7b) and Muller( convoy leader) - same trial
11) Adolf Rube Koblenz - 1959
Gas van driver from div 1vb minsk kds. AZ:9Js 716/59
ZSL:AZ:2 AR-Z 284/59 vol 5 fol 854
12) Heinz Schlechte Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver - EZG 8 moghilev AZ:2 Js 299/60 vol 12 fol 26ff
13) ? Dittrich Hanover - 1960
Member of Baranovichi SD office AZ:2 Js 299/60 vol 8 fol 66ff
14) Ramasan Tchugunov Interrogation Essen 1964
Russian Leader of 2nd Police battalion StA Essen AZ:29 Ks 1/64
ZSL AZ 202 AR-Z 96/60 vol 18 fol 5780
15) Anton Lauer Darmstadt - 1967
EZG C Ukraine AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 11 fol 2390ff
16) Julius Bauer Darmstadt - 1967
Blobel's driver AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 11 fol 3562ff
17) Willi Friedrich Darmstadt - 1967
Leader 3rd police battalion - kharkov AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 11 fol 777ff
18) Hans Rietz Kharkov public trial 1943
Deputy commander of Kharkov Gestapo (soviet trial)
archive of foreign office
of fed rep germany - k206638
19) Wilhelm Findeisen Darmstadt - 1967
Gas van driver - Kiev AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 31 fol 18
20) ? Eisenburger Darmstadt - 1967
Gas van driver - EZG 6 Stalino AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 30 fol 220
21) Robert Mohr Wuppertal - 1965?
Leader of EZG 6 AZ 12 Ks 1/62
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 15/60 vol 1 fol 63
22) ? Heidelberger Wuppertal - 1965?
Leader of unit of EZG6 - Rostov AZ 12 Ks 1/62
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 15/60 vol 3 fol 129
23) ? Pauly Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver EZG D - Simferopol AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 193f
24) ? Stadler Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver EZG D - Simferopol same as above
25) Walter Kehrer Munich - 1975
EZG D - Simferopol kehrer/max drexler trial
AZ 119c Ks 6a-b/70
26) Dr Kurt Christmann Munich - 1980
Leader of Einsatkom 10a - Krasnodar AZ 119c Ks 314 Js 15264/78
27) ? Hanssen Hanover - 1960
EZK 10b - Crimea AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 83f
28) Paul Zapp ZSL AZ 213 AR 1900/66
Head of Einsatkom 11a - Sebastopol. (court archives?)
29) ? Schiewer Hanover - 1960
EZK 11a - Armavir AZ 2Js 299/68 vol 10 fol 81
30) Johannes Schlupper Munich - 1972
Section leader - Cherkessk AZ 115 Ks 6/71
ZSL AZ 213 AR-Z 1901/66
31) Paul Otto Hanover - 1960
EZK 12 - Piatigorsk AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 58ff.
32) ? Kramp Hanover - 1960
EZK 12 - Piatigorsk AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 58ff.
33) Heinz Riedel 14.06.74 Kiel winess 'Se' - saw wagon
co defendant 'Mei' - admitted driving gas van
witness 'Han' - described trip of gv
34) Kurt Tri - LG Munich - 14.07.72
EZK 10a - Southern Ukraine 114 Ks 4/70
35) Friedrich Sev LG Munich - 14.07.72
EZK 10a - Southern Ukraine 114 Ks 4/70
36) Dr Heinrich Go LG Munich - 14.07.72
EZK 10a - Southern Ukraine 114 Ks 4/70
37) Kurt Trimborn Munich - 14.07.72
Leader of EZK 10a - Jeissk AZ 114 Ks 4a-c/70
38) Dr Gorz Munich - 14.07.72
Member of EZK 10a - Jeissk AZ 114 Ks 4a-c/70
39) ? Schuchart Munich - 23.07.72
EZG - Kertsch AZ 111 Ks 2a-c/71
40) Walter Fi interog 30.09.68
YVA TR.10/1118/7b p402ff
41) Hans Br interog October 68
YVA TR.10/1118/7a p87ff
42) Willy Kr interog 16.08.62
BA B162/3298 p 290
43) Otto Bu interog 16.06.62
BA B162/3298 p 222
44) Karl Ka interog 30.08.60
BA B162/3297 p 45
45) Karl Strohammer interog October 68
YVA TR.10/118/7a p 149f
46) Hans Hasse interog 10.01.63
YVA TR.10/118/5 p 271
47) Adolf Prieb interog October 68
YVA TR.10/1118/7b p 249
48) Hermann Bo interog 08.05.68
BA B162/17033 p 3 ff
49) Gunther St interog 17.09.68
YVA TR.10/1118/7b p 286

F2) Gas vans - Experiments/development :

1) Dr Albert Widmann Interrogation 11.01.60
Chemist Dussledorf - 1959
AZ 8Js 7212/59
Stuttgart - 1967
2) Friedrich Pradel Hannover - 1961 ?
Chief of motor pool Darmstadt - 1967
AZ Ks 1/67
Testimony 5:251-54.
261-62 and 14:03
3) Harry Wientritt Hannover - 02.02.61
Pradels chief mechanic AZ 2 JS 299/60
testimony 5:251-24.
5:207-9
4) Walter Rauff Deposition 28.6.72
Head of Dept 11d RSMO Santiago
StA Hamburg
AZ 147 Js 31/67
affidavit 19.10.45 2348-PS
5) Dr H Hoffman Dussledorf - 1959
Chemist 27.01.59 Hanover
Hanover Az 2 Js 299/60
Interog 13.10.58
BA B162/5066 p 88ff
6) Dr Theodore Leidig Dussledorf - 1959
Chemist Interog 06.02.59
Suttgart Az 13 Js 328/60
BA B162/5066 P106ff
7) Gustav Sorge 07.03.62 - Hanover
Az 2 Js 299/1960
Zsl Az 415 AR-Z 220/59
8) Hans Schmidt interog 11.12.58
BA B162/1602 p 21 cf
9) Andreas von Amburger interog 11.12.58
Nebe's staff member BA B162/2155 p 1329
10) N N Akimova 18.11.46
Russian Doctor

F3) Gas vans - Civilians/inmates :


1) Mendel Vulfovich - 09.12.44 - soviet commission
Jew from Riga Central State Arch of Oct Rev
ZSL USSR file 427/XV/4
Yad Vashem O-53/18
2) Dr Zalman Levinbuck -
Jew from Baranovichi ghetto
3) Boris Dobin - Essen 1964
Jew from Minsk ghetto AZ 29 Ks 1/64
4) Dr Ljudmila Nazarewskaja -
Physician from Rostov
5) Eugenia Ostrovec - Moscow - 1945
Civilian from Piatigorsk (dokumenty obviniaiut)
(documents accuse)
6) ? Fenichel Moscow - 1945
German POW Stavropol (dokumenty obviniaiut)
7) Benno Goldband Munich 1949
Prisoner in Lublin trial of Andreas Hoffman
AZ 1 Ks 18/49
8) Joseph Muller Munich 1949
Prisoner in Lublin trial of Andreas Hoffman
AZ 1 Ks 18/49
9) ? Kotov Moscow - 43 ?
10) 4 staff members of Eysk Hospital LG Munich - 14.07.72
re trial of 3 SS - Kurt Tri, Heinrich Go, Verdict
Freidrich Sev - Esk 10a Ko,Lik,Dwo, Get

[curioussoul]

Revisionists have dealt with all of these supposed witnesses in a variety of publications, including but not limited to the following books, numbering several thousand pages:

• Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions
• Auschwitz Sonderkommando I
• Auschwitz Sonderkommando II
• Auschwitz Sonderkommando III
• The Making of the Auschwitz Myth
• Auschwitz Engineers in Moscow
• Commandant of Auschwitz
• An Auschwitz Doctor's Eyewitness Account
• Auschwitz Lies
• Rudolf Reder versus Kurt Gerstein

That being said, I skimmed the list to quickly assess its quality, and stumbled upon a few absolute gems which should tell critical readers/lurkers everything they need to know about the believability of this supposed "list of direct eyewitnesses".

• Hans Frank: did not witness gassings and flatly denied knowing about the Holocaust at Nuremberg
• Hans Aumeier: denied gassings ever took place at Auschwitz in his first interrogation. After literally being tortured, he 'confessed' to having witnessed the imaginary 'first gassing' at Auschwitz, which supposedly took place a year before he was even transferred to Auschwitz
• Pery Broad: this particular SS witness was so incredibly unbelievable that not even orthodox scholars like Jean-Claude Pressac and Pierre Vidal-Naquet took his ramblings seriously, asserting that he clearly just adopted the story that his interrogators wanted him to tell. On top of that, he literally denied having written parts of his own 'confession' during trial!
• Josef Klehr: Klehr's diary was used as evidence for gassings decades after the war, which he conveniently 'confessed' to in 1965, but correspondence with his wife during the war plainly proves that the 'horrors' at Auschwitz he mentioned in his diary were related to the horrific typhus outbreak ravaging the camp at the exact time Klehr visited the camp.
• Oskar Groening: never witnessed gassings, and also 'testified' for the very first time in like 2015! Before this, nobody had any clue who he was.
• Konrad Morgen: 'confessed' to mass gassings at Monowitz!

As for the Sonderkommando witnesses, I suggest you read some of the above books to get an idea of how reliable these testimonies actually are. As a rule, witnesses who testified immediately after the war in 1945 and 1946 told the most absurd and outlandish stories, whereas witnesses from the trials in the 60's and 70's told stories much more streamlined with the orthodox story, which, by necessity, is the polar opposite of how witness testimony and human memory is supposed to work. Like, including Miklos Nyiszli as a serious witness is pretty hysterical. He lied about literally everything under the sun. He even lied about being a witness at one of the post-war trials!

Many of these witnesses never directly saw gassings and are, for all practical purposes, historiographically irrelevant or virtually unknown.

[Callafangers]

I actually very much appreciate these 'evidence dumps' as it is an opportunity to settle the matter and get closer to the bottom of any given topic/question, once and for all.

Obviously, such a long list -- and even though, as curioussoul mentions, most of the claims and witnesses here have already been addressed by revisionists in-detail -- will take some time to address here in more depth and comprehensively. But thank you Nessie for the challenge.

[Nessie]

It was not my list and a few names on it, I would not have included, such as Vrba, or anyone who did not work inside the Kremas. Groening did say he saw a gassings, at one of the bunker/farm houses, during an escape.

[Archie]

A few comments,

1) Nessie has trotted this list out many times, and it has never gone well for him when he does. Normally, he just falls back on vague, unsupported assertions like "the Holocaust is proved by abundant testimonial, documentary, and archaeological evidence." If you ask to see "the evidence" this list is about the best you will get out of him.

2) It is no surprise that Nessie has simply copied the list from someone else.

3) Nessie's method of establishing truth by counting and listing witnesses with no consideration for the quality or substance of the testimonies is invalid and simplistic. In history, there is the concept of multiple independent attestation, but for this to be convincing the testimonies need to be consistent rather than contradictory and they need to independent. Hint for Nessie: assessing these criteria involves actually reading the testimonies.

4) Notice that Nessie does not like to quote what any of these actually say and refuses to evaluate them in detail. He says that we can ignore the details of the statements as long as they "agree" that there were "gas chambers" in some vague form. We can take the bits that fit the current official version (Nessie can't tell us how that version was determined to begin with) and all the inconvenient and embarrassing bits we can just sweep under rug. According to Nessie, the details do not matter and ALL potential errors are preempted on the grounds that "studies show it's normal for witnesses to make mistakes." (He begs the question of whether the mistakes and contradictions in question are major or minor). Not only this, he furthermore says that any attempt to analyze the testimonies rigorously is automatically fallacious. Because revisionists do it with a spirit of "incredulity" and skepticism.

[Archie]

All of the "classic" witnesses like Hoess, Vrba, Nyiszli, Gerstein, Wiernik, et al have been debunked. Gee, what rotten luck for the Holocaust Industry that they have hundreds of these "reliable eyewitnesses" and they just so happened to pick all the bad ones to emphasize in the first few decades. Well, I'm sure these alternate testimonies from these obscure people are absolutely rock solid.

Many of these testimonies fall apart all on their own. That is to say that they have failed to construct a coherent, stand-alone story that accords with the known (or supposed) facts. And that is relatively easy to do. What is much harder to do is to hold up under intelligent questioning. Only rarely have these witnesses been subjected to serious questioning. Vrba showed us what happens when they do get asked questions. These star witnesses crash and burn.

Paul Rassinier:

For fifteen years, every time that I heard of a witness anywhere, no matter where in the portion of Europe that was not occupied by the Soviets, who claimed to have himself been present at gas exterminations, I immediately went to him to get his testimony. And, each time the experience ended in the same way. With documentation in hand, I would ask him so many precise and detailed questions that soon it became apparent that he could not answer except by lying. Often his lies became so transparent, even to himself, that he ended his testimony by declaring that he had not seen it himself, but that one of his good friends, who had died in the camps and whose good faith he could not doubt, had told him about it. I covered thousands and thousands of kilometers throughout Europe in this way.

[TlsMS93]

Nessie's central argument is that it is impossible for everyone who claims something to be lying. Is this how we should move the world forward?

[Nessie]

A few comments,

1) Nessie has trotted this list out many times, and it has never gone well for him when he does. Normally, he just falls back on vague, unsupported assertions like "the Holocaust is proved by abundant testimonial, documentary, and archaeological evidence." If you ask to see "the evidence" this list is about the best you will get out of him.

Not true. I also complied lists of the archaeological evidence and evidence pertaining to TII. Hans did the same for A-B.

2) It is no surprise that Nessie has simply copied the list from someone else.

Das Prussian stopped posting and I have reposted the list to stop it from being lost. I also used it, a lot, to counter revisionist lies that there are no witnesses to the gassings.

Maybe you could compile a list of eyewitnesses who worked inside the Kremas, AR camps and Chelmno, who you believe?

3) Nessie's method of establishing truth by counting and listing witnesses with no consideration for the quality or substance of the testimonies is invalid and simplistic. In history, there is the concept of multiple independent attestation, but for this to be convincing the testimonies need to be consistent rather than contradictory and they need to independent. Hint for Nessie: assessing these criteria involves actually reading the testimonies.

There are some on the list I would not have included because their evidence is largely hearsay. The rest have all been read, by historians and lawyers, as the vast majority were involved in the various camp trials. The eyewitnesses do not contradict each other and they are all corroborated by evidence independent of them. Just the fact that Jewish and Nazi witnesses agree, makes them strongly corroborated.

4) Notice that Nessie does not like to quote what any of these actually say and refuses to evaluate them in detail. He says that we can ignore the details of the statements as long as they "agree" that there were "gas chambers" in some vague form. We can take the bits that fit the current official version (Nessie can't tell us how that version was determined to begin with) and all the inconvenient and embarrassing bits we can just sweep under rug. According to Nessie, the details do not matter and ALL potential errors are preempted on the grounds that "studies show it's normal for witnesses to make mistakes." (He begs the question of whether the mistakes and contradictions in question are major or minor). Not only this, he furthermore says that any attempt to analyze the testimonies rigorously is automatically fallacious. Because revisionists do it with a spirit of "incredulity" and skepticism.

That is not true. Pick a witness and we can evaluate him. Details do matter and all the issues you have with the witnesses can be explained by normal, studied, proven witness behaviour, memory and recall. So-called revisionist method for evaluating witnesses is biased, not based on any studies and results in 100% of them being rejected. How convenient!

[Nessie]

Nessie's central argument is that it is impossible for everyone who claims something to be lying. Is this how we should move the world forward?

I know how to prove a witness is lying. So-called revisionists do not. To prove Wiernik lied about TII being used for mass gassings, I would gather evidence from others who worked at the camp, who say there was no gas chamber. Or, documents that show mass transports of people back out to other places. Or, archaeological surveys that found no sign of ground disturbances where he said the graves were located. That evidence would prove Wiernik lied.

Since there is no evidence to prove Wiernik lied, so-called revisionists dispute his credibility, erroneously thinking that credibility is the same as truthfulness. They take his emotive, hyperbolic descriptions, estimations and figures of speech and claim he is talking rubbish, his claims cannot have happened, using the logically flawed argument from incredulity. Their methodology is designed to ensure any witness who states what they do not want to hear, can be dismissed, leaving them with zero witnesses who worked at the Kremas, AR camps or Chelmno who they believe.

[TlsMS93]

I know how to prove a witness is lying. So-called revisionists do not. To prove Wiernik lied about TII being used for mass gassings, I would gather evidence from others who worked at the camp, who say there was no gas chamber. Or, documents that show mass transports of people back out to other places. Or, archaeological surveys that found no sign of ground disturbances where he said the graves were located. That evidence would prove Wiernik lied.

Since there is no evidence to prove Wiernik lied, so-called revisionists dispute his credibility, erroneously thinking that credibility is the same as truthfulness. They take his emotive, hyperbolic descriptions, estimations and figures of speech and claim he is talking rubbish, his claims cannot have happened, using the logically flawed argument from incredulity. Their methodology is designed to ensure any witness who states what they do not want to hear, can be dismissed, leaving them with zero witnesses who worked at the Kremas, AR camps or Chelmno who they believe.

So if in a company, all the employees say that the manager is cheating on his wife and the husband does not provide evidence to the contrary, then he is an adulterer? As has already been demonstrated, many documents such as those from the Todt Organisations have been lost that could shed light on the fate of many of these Jews.

[Nessie]

I know how to prove a witness is lying. So-called revisionists do not. To prove Wiernik lied about TII being used for mass gassings, I would gather evidence from others who worked at the camp, who say there was no gas chamber. Or, documents that show mass transports of people back out to other places. Or, archaeological surveys that found no sign of ground disturbances where he said the graves were located. That evidence would prove Wiernik lied.

Since there is no evidence to prove Wiernik lied, so-called revisionists dispute his credibility, erroneously thinking that credibility is the same as truthfulness. They take his emotive, hyperbolic descriptions, estimations and figures of speech and claim he is talking rubbish, his claims cannot have happened, using the logically flawed argument from incredulity. Their methodology is designed to ensure any witness who states what they do not want to hear, can be dismissed, leaving them with zero witnesses who worked at the Kremas, AR camps or Chelmno who they believe.

So if in a company, all the employees say that the manager is cheating on his wife and the husband does not provide evidence to the contrary, then he is an adulterer?

With lots of witnesses to his adultery and him unable to evidence he was not an adulterer, what do you think the answer is?

As has already been demonstrated, many documents such as those from the Todt Organisations have been lost that could shed light on the fate of many of these Jews.

Indeed, there was a huge document destruction, by the Nazis. If only they had saved key documents as exculpatory evidence.

[TlsMS93]

Now you have given proof of your insanity, not even you Jews condemn someone just based on the statements of witnesses.

Who said it was the Nazis who destroyed these specific documents?

[Nazgul]

So if in a company, all the employees say that the manager is cheating on his wife and the husband does not provide evidence to the contrary, then he is an adulterer?

How infantile that is how religion works, not the law or reality

With lots of witnesses to his adultery and him unable to evidence he was not an adulterer, what do you think the answer is?

They are not witnesses, they are gossipers.

Indeed, there was a huge document destruction, by the Nazis. If only they had saved key documents as exculpatory evidence.

There is no need for the Todt and Schmelt organizations to destroy anything, most like the extraordinary commissions of the Polish and Soviets with over 10 million combined staff.

[Archie]

Das Prussian stopped posting and I have reposted the list to stop it from being lost. I also used it, a lot, to counter revisionist lies that there are no witnesses to the gassings.

Maybe you could compile a list of eyewitnesses who worked inside the Kremas, AR camps and Chelmno, who you believe?

You are ignorant of what revisionists say. Revisionists do not say there are no alleged gas chamber witnesses. There can be no question that there are a lot of alleged gas chamber stories. What we say is that these stories cannot survive scrutiny.

That is not true. Pick a witness and we can evaluate him. Details do matter and all the issues you have with the witnesses can be explained by normal, studied, proven witness behaviour, memory and recall. So-called revisionist method for evaluating witnesses is biased, not based on any studies and results in 100% of them being rejected. How convenient!

Okay, let's start with the very first one on your list: Rudolf Hoess.

[Nessie]

Das Prussian stopped posting and I have reposted the list to stop it from being lost. I also used it, a lot, to counter revisionist lies that there are no witnesses to the gassings.

Maybe you could compile a list of eyewitnesses who worked inside the Kremas, AR camps and Chelmno, who you believe?

You are ignorant of what revisionists say. Revisionists do not say there are no alleged gas chamber witnesses. There can be no question that there are a lot of alleged gas chamber stories. What we say is that these stories cannot survive scrutiny.

Indeed, you have it that 100% of the eyewitnesses lied and no one can be traced, who worked at a Krema or inside an AR camp or Chelmno, who told the truth.

That is not true. Pick a witness and we can evaluate him. Details do matter and all the issues you have with the witnesses can be explained by normal, studied, proven witness behaviour, memory and recall. So-called revisionist method for evaluating witnesses is biased, not based on any studies and results in 100% of them being rejected. How convenient!

Okay, let's start with the very first one on your list: Rudolf Hoess.

Hoess's testimony contains inaccuracies and he was proven to have been subjected to coercion. Since his primary admissions, and that the camp was used for mass murders, are corroborated, in that respect he is a generally truthful and due to his role at the camp, a very important eyewitness.