On the Nessie Question (NQ lol)

[HansHill]

Cross-posting this here from a different thread, this feels relevant - Mods feel free to remove if this isn't the right place!

I hear you, it's definitely circular and doesn't add a ton. That said, I do think strong criticism is important to keep all of us on our toes, and Nessie has in many ways been a valued contributor in that regard. Nonetheless, some 'throttling' might be in order, to allow others on the forum to have a chance to develop and debate their own ideas and topics, without everyone getting stuck in the same merry-go-round with Nessie's "bullflop bingo", over and over again.

I'm firmly in the pro-Nessie camp. Yes he's highly repetitive, however he takes his rhetorical clobberings in good humour and never spergs out. He is also well behaved and doesn't encroach onto the Discussion thread, which i think warrants its own kudos, as he knows he would not be welcome there.

His main "benefit" to CODOH however, is that I've never actually seen him getting the better of anybody - meaning any lurker who jumps into any random thread, has an overwhelming chance of seeing some point of contention being dunked on, which is very satisfying to see.

As for how to handle his rubbish, i like the idea of mods intervening and removing his derailment posts into the junk folder - a good example of this is the AI thread, where if you go to page 15 there is almost no discussion of AI happening at all, and as such I have stopped following it. Just to be clear, I'm not singling Nessie out for every derailment in the universe, however he tends to indulge.

[Nazgul]

Cross-posting this here from a different thread, this feels relevant - Mods feel free to remove if this isn't the right place!

I hear you, it's definitely circular and doesn't add a ton. That said, I do think strong criticism is important to keep all of us on our toes, and Nessie has in many ways been a valued contributor in that regard. Nonetheless, some 'throttling' might be in order, to allow others on the forum to have a chance to develop and debate their own ideas and topics, without everyone getting stuck in the same merry-go-round with Nessie's "bullflop bingo", over and over again.

I'm firmly in the pro-Nessie camp. Yes he's highly repetitive, however he takes his rhetorical clobberings in good humour and never spergs out. He is also well behaved and doesn't encroach onto the Discussion thread, which i think warrants its own kudos, as he knows he would not be welcome there.

His main "benefit" to CODOH however, is that I've never actually seen him getting the better of anybody - meaning any lurker who jumps into any random thread, has an overwhelming chance of seeing some point of contention being dunked on, which is very satisfying to see.

As for how to handle his rubbish, i like the idea of mods intervening and removing his derailment posts into the junk folder - a good example of this is the AI thread, where if you go to page 15 there is almost no discussion of AI happening at all, and as such I have stopped following it. Just to be clear, I'm not singling Nessie out for every derailment in the universe, however he tends to indulge.

Best idea is to either discuss the topic with another user and ignore the Highland Lord of the Kelpie. If not then it is best to ignore him or just mention something on the topic. When he is backed into a corner you will see sparks. Any Investigator knows you follow the evidence. The evidence presented by the Kelpie Lord is mainly hearsay propped up to be eye witness.

[Archie]

He posts too much without adding much of anything to the thread topics.

Here are some ideas I have to prevent him from ruining so many threads.

1) Junk Folder - for his off-topic and counterproductive posts
viewtopic.php?t=321
When he tries to derail threads from the actual topic to general talking points that have been discussed to death, it would really be better just to remove the posts rather than have people waste their time replying to this. The catch here is that I do not have the patience to read through all of his drivel. So I will request that people use the "report post" feature to alert me and fangers to his derails (especially if you are the thread author and feel the discussion is becoming bloated and not addressing the key points).

2) Nessie's greatest hits - this is a master list of Nessie's spam arguments
viewtopic.php?t=382
My hope is that with this here, people won't feel the need to keep responding to these points. Going forward I will consider most comments along these lines (e.g. "revisionists do not understand evidencing because they lack proper credentials") will be considered off-topic. Note this does not mean these topics like credentials are censored, just that we don't need to pollute every single thread with this.

[Nessie]

Archie, what you mean is that you want to be able to post faulty logic and ignorant and faulty analysis of evidence, in particular witness evidence, without challenge.

[HansHill]

Hardly. Of your ~1,800 posts, Archie has by necessity moved (not deleted) ~10.