How would you persuade someone that the Earth is not flat? And is this parallel to Holocaust denial?

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Re: How would you persuade someone that the Earth is not flat? And is this parallel to Holocaust denial?

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ConfusedJew wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:16 pm
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:04 am
ConfusedJew wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 5:24 am You have to keep in mind that I strongly believe that the Holocaust existed so…
Perhaps you haven’t understood yet that it is NOT being argued that ‘the holocaust didn’t happen’ or that it didn’t ‘exist’.
The debate is about what exactly happened during it.
From what I've seen, some people are debating whether or not the "Holocaust" ever existed at all. Your message seems to imply that you believe that the Holocaust did happen. How do you define the "Holocaust" and what do you think did not happen that most people do?
Seriously?!? :roll:

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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:53 pm
Seriously?!? :roll:

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Yep. Do you not think that Germans killed millions of innocent Jews? Do you think that it happened, just not in gas chambers? I don't really know what you precisely think.
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Re: How would you persuade someone that the Earth is not flat? And is this parallel to Holocaust denial?

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ConfusedJew wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:09 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:53 pm
Seriously?!? :roll:

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Yep. Do you not think that Germans killed millions of innocent Jews? Do you think that it happened, just not in gas chambers? I don't really know what you precisely think.
This is pathetic. :roll:
You are clueless yet stubbornly arguing anyway.

I think any normal, decent, respectful person would feel ashamed at the idea of coming on a discussion forum and spending so much time arguing from a position of such complete ignorance of their opponents’ basic argument.

Here’s a suggestion. Maybe you should read a ‘revisionism for beginners’ book, or even two, and then come back.
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Re: How would you persuade someone that the Earth is not flat? And is this parallel to Holocaust denial?

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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:03 pm This is pathetic. :roll:
You are clueless yet stubbornly arguing anyway.

I think any normal, decent, respectful person would feel ashamed at the idea of coming on a discussion forum and spending so much time arguing from a position of such complete ignorance of their opponents’ basic argument.

Here’s a suggestion. Maybe you should read a ‘revisionism for beginners’ book, or even two, and then come back.
Do you agree with all of these claims? How much do the people on this forum agree with all of those claims fully or is there a difference of opinion here?
Key Claims:

Denial of Gas Chambers
Claim: There were no gas chambers used for mass murder.

Disputing the Death Toll
Claim: Far fewer than six million Jews were killed—some claim only hundreds of thousands died due to disease or war.

Claiming the Holocaust is a Hoax or Propaganda
Claim: The Holocaust was fabricated or exaggerated by Allied forces or Jews for political or financial gain.

Blaming Victims or Justifying Nazi Actions
Claim: Jews were interned or deported for political reasons or as wartime security risks, not as part of a genocide.
Do you believe that the Nazis persecuted the Jews and killed many innocent ones?

How was the Holocaust fabricated or exaggerated and for what political or financial benefits?

What kind of wartime security risks did the Jews pose and why did it make sense to intern them in concentration camps?
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Do you full agree with the following arguments?

1. Denial of Gas Chambers: There is no conclusive physical evidence of gas chambers being used for mass murder; they say post-war "reconstructions" were faked.

The arguments point to the destruction or deterioration of camp structures, forensic reports (e.g., the Leuchter Report), and point to the fact that some eyewitnesses were coerced and have have been lying.

2. Minimization of Death Toll: Only a few hundred thousand Jews died—mostly of disease, not genocide.

They dispute Nazi documentation as forged or exaggerated. They say that postwar population data was unreliable or manipulated.

3. "The Holocaust Is a Hoax": It was invented after WWII to elicit sympathy for Jews or justify the founding of Israel.

They suggest that it was allied propaganda and accuse survivors and historians of exaggeration for political or financial reasons.

4. Justifying Deportations and Camps: Jews were relocated or interned for wartime reasons, not genocidal intent.

They believe that Auschwitz was a labor camp and deportations were legal under international law. They argue that the Wannsee Conference was logistical, not genocidal.
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Re: How would you persuade someone that the Earth is not flat? And is this parallel to Holocaust denial?

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ConfusedJew wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:11 pm
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:03 pm This is pathetic. :roll:
You are clueless yet stubbornly arguing anyway.

I think any normal, decent, respectful person would feel ashamed at the idea of coming on a discussion forum and spending so much time arguing from a position of such complete ignorance of their opponents’ basic argument.

Here’s a suggestion. Maybe you should read a ‘revisionism for beginners’ book, or even two, and then come back.
Do you agree with all of these claims? How much do the… [time-wasting pretence at being interested deleted]
Read a book, time-waster.
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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:19 pm Read a book, time-waster.
Reading books is almost always a waste of time in the age of AI honestly.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:09 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:19 pm Read a book, time-waster.
Reading books is almost always a waste of time in the age of AI honestly.
Only if you want your opinions spoonfed to you and you are incapable of independent thought.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Re: How would you persuade someone that the Earth is not flat? And is this parallel to Holocaust denial?

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ConfusedJew wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:09 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:19 pm Read a book, time-waster.
Reading books is almost always a waste of time in the age of AI honestly.
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Stubble wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:18 pm Only if you want your opinions spoonfed to you and you are incapable of independent thought.
I read AI summaries of books in a fraction of the time that I could read the whole book.
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And in doing so, you miss the entire point and get a canned opinion devoid of source material.

You don't engage with anything at all, you just vomit ai tripe and do it indignantly.

You think doing this is 'smart'.

That's some kind of retardation, I'm sure of it.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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I don't blindly accept what conclusions the AI presents me with.

If provides both facts and the reasoning behind reaching certain conclusions. It is extremely good at reasoning even if it's not completely perfect. I find it very rarely gets the logic wrong and it is more likely to get really specific details wrong. The specific details that you guys have studied are known to very few people. I do not use AI as a substitute for thinking, but it is like using a calculator that occasionally makes mistakes. I see no reason not to use AI these days rather than do the research manually which would take so much more time.

If the Holocaust were a hoax that billions of people came to believe, that would really be a very extreme misperception. Billions of people believe that the Earth is spherical so if a small group of people believed that it was flat, and they were right, that would really be something remarkable.

I see both of these claims as being so out of the ordinary that I am fascinated to find out what people believe and how they arrive at those conclusions. Even if I don't believe the Earth is flat, I still am very interested in how people think that.
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You wouldn’t persuade a flat-earth-believer by any of the following methods:
• criminalising them with ‘thought-crime’ censorship laws;
• smearing them in all avenues of society with ad hominem epithets and accusations;
• fire-bombing their homes in order to intimidate them and destroy evidence supporting their viewpoint (as was done to Ernst Zündel);
• threatening to kill them, their spouses and their infant daughters especially if they are a highly-qualified academic who has produced a prize-winning thesis on flat-earth research (as was done to Prof Joel Hayward);
• attacking a university for awarding a PHd to students researching the topic (as was done to the universities of students Hayward and Roques);
• attacking, falsely smearing and forcing into early retirement indentured professors for encouraging open debate on the topic (as was recently done to Prof. Anthony Hall);
• for decades annually making inaccurate but emotionally manipulative film-dramatisations that misinform the people with what even intimidated academia agree are false depictions
• preventing easy access on the internet to any convincing, well-informed, reasonable, well-presented arguments for their understanding;
• misrepresenting the flat-earth position using intentionally misleading strawman misrepresentations (as CJ has recently been repeatedly doing);
• making TV ‘documentaries’ that repeat false info and consist of biased interviews with unqualified eccentrics rather than interviewing highly-qualified published authors (as the jewish-controlled BBC recently did using ignorant, biased and racist* jewish-comedian David Baddiel).
etc., etc.

The above are NOT a convincing strategy for persuading anyone that their understanding is incorrect. On the contrary, such behaviour confirms the understanding that there IS NO LOGICAL, REASONABLE, EVIDENCE-BASED ARGUMENT against their understanding and therefore such draconian, unethical methods must be used instead.

* Baddiel’s racism: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/25 ... jason-lee/
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You're right.

Coercion, smear campaigns, and censorship are poor substitutes for logical arguments and tend to reinforce the narrative of a persecuted minority with a hidden truth.

However, let's look at another example. Alex Jones, the media personality known for the show Informers, repeatedly claimed on his broadcasts that the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, where 20 young children were killed, was a "hoax". I don't know if you believe that or not, but assuming that he was wrong or lying, if you were the family member of one of the children that were killed, would you want to have a debate with him or would you rather just burn his house down?
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Seriously? Seriously?

If I had had a family member die at the hands of Adam Lanza during the sandy hook elementary school shooting, I would have sued jones for a retraction and airtime.

I would not firebomb his house.

That you justify firebombing with 'he said hurtful things' is unsettling and revealing.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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