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Hektor wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:08 pm
Eye of Zyclone wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:44 am
Nessie wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 6:29 am Cherry-picking headlines is evidentially and logically flawed.
... while cherry-picking testimonies & confessions is not. :roll:

(no cherry-picking on my part; Kramer was convicted and hanged for that, among other things)

The story of a guy not realizing that his alleged oath of secrecy was obsolete for more than 6 months after the death of Hitler and Himmler and then suddenly realizing under "interrogation" that it was, is one of the most ridiculous nonsenses ever imagined. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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One has to bear in mind that there is no written order to exterminate the Jews. Not even a trace of it. Highly dubious that they would have killed them in the camps on purpose, if there was no such order. After all homicides without justification were a crime in Germany and the occupied territories as well.
A reminder that there is a written order to kill the disabled. There are multiple reports about mass executions by shooting of Jews in the East. There are numerous speeches and documents about the need to remove, liquidate or destroy Jews. The Auschwitz Construction Office and Topf & Sons records, show the construction of gas chambers for a "special" secret action, treatment of, infirm prisoners, Jews and Hungarians.
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When Ernst Kaltenbrunner took the stand in 1946, he failed to say what really happened to the millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis during the war.

That id the elephant in the room ignored by all the denier/revisionists here. In 1945, it was clear that millions of Jews had gone missing. They had been arrested, but by 1945, only a few hundred thousand had been liberated and were being dealt with by displace persons agencies. Every occupied and aligned country in Europe, except for Denmark and Finland, were reporting that huge numbers of Jews arrested and transported, had failed to return. Even the UK reported that of the Channel Islanders arrested and transported off the island, the Jewish citizens were the least likely to have returned.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:01 pm
Hektor wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:08 pm

One has to bear in mind that there is no written order to exterminate the Jews. Not even a trace of it. Highly dubious that they would have killed them in the camps on purpose, if there was no such order. After all homicides without justification were a crime in Germany and the occupied territories as well.
The order was verbal, by winks, by consensus, a meeting of minds from a distant bureaucracy.

The funny thing with joker arguments is that they always work. One only needs to have the resources, time and cunningness to use them in that way. And of course an audience that does fall for that kind of copouts. And they will especially if people are ignorant about the vast body of documentation that evidences against the extermination thesis.
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Hektor wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:51 am ...And of course an audience that does fall for that kind of copouts. And they will especially if people are ignorant about the vast body of documentation that evidences against the extermination thesis.
What vast body of documents? You have no documents recording regular mass transports of people back out of the AR camps, or Chelmno. There are no documents recording the number of Jewish prisoners in camps and ghetto in 1944, that would prove millions were still alive.
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Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:02 am You have no documents recording regular mass transports of people back out of the AR camps, or Chelmno.
They never arrived in the first place. Your eternal loop will stop working here soon.
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All the sites of Jewish Labour camps.
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Nazgul wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:42 am
Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:02 am You have no documents recording regular mass transports of people back out of the AR camps, or Chelmno.
They never arrived in the first place. Your eternal loop will stop working here soon.
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All the sites of Jewish Labour camps.
Please evidence the Jewish population of those camps in 1942-3, and evidence to prove they took prisoners from the transports.

Kielce

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety. ... ielce.html

"On 24 August 1942, Ernst Thomas ordered the execution of Bruno Schindler, the head of the Jewish Order Service, and had his wife deported to the Treblinka death camp. In addition to the 21,000 Jews, the majority of whom perished in the gas chambers, another 1,500 to 2,000 Jews, including children, pregnant women, the ill and the elderly, were murdered in the ghetto during the deportation ‘Aktion’.
On 28 August 1942, approximately 1,500 Jews who survived the mass deportation were concentrated in the Jewish quarter, known as the ‘Small Ghetto,’ including about sixty children, all of whom were the children of the members of the Jewish Order Service."
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Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:59 am Please evidence the Jewish population of those camps in 1942-3, and evidence to prove they took prisoners from the transports.
They existed, thousands of them during that time. The fact that they were occupied means that they were serviced by trains, aka transports. These were Jewish labour camps and all jews were prisoners by default; they were all serviced by trains.
If there were death transports these are not the Fplo which serviced regular labour camps. Provide other evidence.
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Nazgul wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:04 am
Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:59 am Please evidence the Jewish population of those camps in 1942-3, and evidence to prove they took prisoners from the transports.
They existed, thousands of them during that time. The fact that they were occupied means that they were serviced by trains, aka transports. These were Jewish labour camps and all jews were prisoners by default; they were all serviced by trains.
If there were death transports these are not the Fplo which serviced regular labour camps. Provide other evidence.
This is off topic again. You are obsessed with your claim, that you constantly fail to evidence and I find evidence to the contrary. I have just linked you to a secondary source that records transports from a location you quoted, to TII, rather than receiving people from the TII transports.

To get back on topic, no Nazi who worked at TII, denied that it was used for gassings.
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Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:27 am To get back on topic, no Nazi who worked at TII, denied that it was used for gassings.
No kids at the local school have denied their school has been used for gassings either.
How many Nazis worked at Treblinka? The Treblinka trials were not about gassing. The only Nazis you have access too are those chosen by the allied forces and other agencies to be representative. You do not know who worked there yet act as though you know the reality, not the fabrication.

You do not even know where TII was, Czerwony bor perhaps as Grott Rowecki mentioned.
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Nazgul wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:39 am
Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:27 am To get back on topic, no Nazi who worked at TII, denied that it was used for gassings.
How many Nazis worked at Treblinka? The Treblinka trials were not about gassing. The only Nazis you have access too are those chosen by the allied forces and other agencies to be representative. You do not know who worked there yet act as though you know the reality, not the fabrication.
List of the names of the 13 German, 7 Ukrainian and 14 Jewish people who were identified as having worked at TII, and subsequently gave testimony, here;

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Obviously there were more than that, but not all survived or were identified. They all speak to the camp being used for gassings, and none of the alternative functions theorised by so-called revisionists.
You do not even know where TII was, Czerwony bor perhaps as Grott Rowecki mentioned.
It was the camp on the spur line to the labour camp and quarry.
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Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:50 am List of the names of the 13 German, 7 Ukrainian and 14 Jewish people who were identified as having worked at TII, and subsequently gave testimony, here
The average prison where I live has about 200 crims and 40 prison officers. It is highly likely the guards you have chosen were selective to be a "representative" for public appearance.
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Nazgul wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:20 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:50 am List of the names of the 13 German, 7 Ukrainian and 14 Jewish people who were identified as having worked at TII, and subsequently gave testimony, here
The average prison where I live has about 200 crims and 40 prison officers. It is highly likely the guards you have chosen were selective to be a "representative" for public appearance.
How about you select a guard who states that TII was not used for gassings and what it was used for?
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