A request to Confused Jew

[Callafangers]

You have found no paint -- not one gram of it -- on any alleged 'chambers'. No one has.

But ... nobody has looked. You guys have no direct evidence of actual resettlement, nor of any of the conspiracies you believe in, and you have certainly looked extensively. Clear double standard here.

But they did, bombsaway. They actually visited the actual 'gas chambers', looked around repeatedly, sifted through the rubble, and sampled the walls. Numerous experts on both sides of the debate did this. It isn't there. And of course, your 'experts' sifted through millions of German documents and have found no documents reflecting this painting nor paint orders you claim. Your claim here is totally unevidenced. There is no 'double standard', since the Final Solution of evacuating Jews and eventual resettlement is the official, well-documented policy, and since only the Allies (not the Germans) won the war, giving one side freedom and means (not to mention motive) for sifting through and producing documents for or against their or the other's position.

[bombsaway]

You have found no paint -- not one gram of it -- on any alleged 'chambers'. No one has.

But ... nobody has looked. You guys have no direct evidence of actual resettlement, nor of any of the conspiracies you believe in, and you have certainly looked extensively. Clear double standard here.

But they did, bombsaway. They actually visited the actual 'gas chambers', looked around repeatedly, sifted through the rubble, and sampled the walls. Numerous experts on both sides of the debate did this. It isn't there. And of course, your 'experts' sifted through millions of German documents and have found no documents reflecting this painting nor paint orders you claim. Your claim here is totally unevidenced. There is no 'double standard', since the Final Solution of evacuating Jews and eventual resettlement is the official, well-documented policy, and since only the Allies (not the Germans) won the war, giving one side freedom and means (not to mention motive) for sifting through and producing documents for or against their or the other's position.

You're assuming that the paint would necessarily last decades without serious failure / erosion right?

The only direct evidence of resettlement in Russia is the Korherr report, otherwise you're relying on plans, which can change.

[Nessie]

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The ruins of the buildings are there...

Not so that Kremas III, IV and V and the two farm house bunkers can be checked to see if the walls had any staining. Only a small part of Krema II's basement can be accessed and Krema I was subject to major building work. You cannot get around the issue of there may have been blue staining present on gas chamber walls, in buildings now demolished.

The ruins have been sampled and found to show traces of exposure to HCN;

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... port.shtml

"Samples, about 1-2 g in weight, were taken by chipping pieces from bricks and concrete or scrapping off, particularly in the case of plaster and also mortar."

"The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers."

[Wahrheitssucher]

Most of the chambers were destroyed. I'm not sure if 100% of the paint is missing but the tiling is not. It's not even the point of this debate though.

If you are going to completely disregard 100% of the survivor and Nazi testimonies, I would say that's a completely unrealistic standard to go by. Do you think there is any validity in any of the witness testimonies? There were thousands that were recorded.

No, ConfusedJew, you do not get to invent the application of paint which is totally and utterly without evidence of any kind. Others have mentioned Pressac's multiple visits to these 'chambers', where he mentions nothing resembling paint. Leuchter (and/or Faurrison) said the same:

In all the author's investigations in Poland, Germany and Austria, hardware or
construction remarkable to gas chambers has never been found. There are no forty
(40) foot stacks, no ventilators, no gas generators, no intake air preheaters, no special
paint or sealants on walls, floors or ceilings, no safety devices for the operators, and
no coherent design consistently utilized throughout the alleged gas chambers.

https://archive.org/stream/rapport1e_20 ... e_djvu.txt

Rudolf said the same, Markiewicz mentions no paint, nor does Green. Nobody saw, measured, nor reported any paint of any kind. And speaking of Green, here is what he says regarding the application of paint in delousing chambers (responding to another anti-revisionist critic, Bailer):

If paint was indeed used on these facilities, it should be possible to find evidence that such paint was purchased and applied. The paint hypothesis needs more evidence to support it, if it is to be believed.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... stry/blue/

Indeed, when and where paint is alleged to have been applied, there needs to be evidence to support this. You have none, so you just keep insisting that it was the case, absent any evidence supporting your case. Your sole contemporary witness to this claim thus far is Filip Mueller, who also says:

- "...the 2 pits were 40 to 50 meters long, about 8 meters wide and meters deep....by digging a channel which sloped slightly to either side from the center point it would possible to catch the fat exuding from the corpses as they were burning in the pit, in 2 collecting pans at either end of the channel.."
*** a lie, the fat would burn immediately, no evidence for pits as alleged

- "...the sizzling fat was scooped out with buckets on a long curved rod and poured over the pit causing flames to leap up amid much crackling and hissing"
*** a lie, see above

- "the powers that be had allocated twenty minutes for the cremation of 3 corpses...."
*** a lie, impossible to cremate 3 bodies in 20 minutes

- "The doctors proceeded to cut pieces of still warm flesh from thighs & calves and threw them into waiting receptacles. The muscles of those who had been shot were still working and contracting, making the bucket jump about"
*** a laughable lie, no explanation necessary

- Mueller claimed 10,000 were cremated daily in the ovens of Birkenau
*** a lie, utterly impossible given the number of operating crematorium and the time lengths alleged

- "I noticed there were some small greenish-blue crystals lying on the concrete floor at the back of the room. They were scattered beneath an opening in the ceiling. A large fan was installed up there, its blades humming as they revolved."
*** a lie, there is no evidence for "greenish-blue crystals", and the cyanide (Zyklon-B) story, while completely debunked by Revisionists, claims that the gassing agent was dropped into 4 cage like wire mesh structures...no fans, they can't even keep their lies straight

https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... cfbc0.html

This is laughable nonsense. Mueller was an extraordinary liar who mixed his lies with elements of truth in an effort to fool the masses into buying into the laughable -- frankly stupid -- 'Holocaust' tale. It is a disgraceful and disgusting lie that only the sickest minds would ever permit or promote the perpetuation of.

You have found no paint -- not one gram of it -- on any alleged 'chambers'. No one has. It defies belief that every corner of the chambers was painted (in hundreds of layers, no less, as post-Rudolf witnesses, e.g. Bennahmias, claim painting after each gassing), and that 100% of this paint has mysteriously vaporized despite many areas being sheltered from the elements over time (and these areas being precisely where wall/ceiling samples were taken from). It defies belief that this paint should even necessarily reduce the reaction producing Iron Blue by some >99.9%, which is what would be necessary for the samples universally reflecting such minuscule FeCN levels, totally misaligned with the claim of millions 'gassed'.

You're so far from having a compelling position here that you must keep reiterating vague, unquantified statements about "a lot" of evidence which you do not have.

There was no paint, there are no incriminating levels of FeCN, and your 'Holocaust' is fake, stupid, and definitely did not happen. To those who still believe it: grow up. To those lying about it consciously: may you burn in hell.

Excellent! Thanks for this.

See this and learn, Bombsaway! It is Evidence-based refutation.

[HansHill]

I still need to research HansHill's last response and will follow up soon.

That's fine - I will be on vacation with my family, without access to my notes and library, however I can respond in the general from my phone if I need to. I highly urge you, BEFORE posting any rebuttal, to read the material I have linked you above. The chances of you rebutting with something uncovered and unaccounted for by Revisionists is low.

[Callafangers]

You're assuming that the paint would necessarily last decades without serious failure / erosion right?

The only direct evidence of resettlement in Russia is the Korherr report, otherwise you're relying on plans, which can change.

Wrong and, uhh, wrong.

Paint isn't documented by anyone, anywhere. There is nothing which says it exists, other than a proven serial liar (Mueller). It is you assuming that all of the paint would have eroded (even in covered/sheltered areas), so that no one (even those in your camp) would ever so much as make a note of it.

The Soviets "reconstructed" certain 'chambers', and guess what -- no paint! Guess they didn't consider it a common feature, either, even in their immediate postwar occupation of the camp.

There is truly not a shred of evidence supporting your desperate, clawing attempt to explain away the lack of FeCN. You've exhausted all other avenues and so "must be paint" is your last, whimpering cry... the death throes of exterminationism. One loves to hear it.

On the other hand, the direct evidence of a policy of resettlement to the East is almost overwhelming (with gaps only in those precise areas we'd expect from mendacious postwar powers gaining control over the records and archives). In fact, evacuation for resettlement is the latest and only official, documented Final Solution policy.

Plans can indeed change (say, to genocide) but it is precisely this "change" which is totally unevidenced, neither by documents nor anything measurable.

[Nessie]

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Paint isn't documented by anyone, anywhere. There is nothing which says it exists, other than a proven serial liar (Mueller). It is you assuming that all of the paint would have eroded (even in covered/sheltered areas), so that no one (even those in your camp) would ever so much as make a note of it.

The Soviets "reconstructed" certain 'chambers', and guess what -- no paint!...

How do you know the walls of Krema I's Leichenkeller, were not painted in 1941-2? Or, that the Nazis repainted it in 1944, when they built the three walls and added the porch and external door? Or that after the war, the Poles did any painting, or even removed paint, when they removed the 1944 additions?

There are paint remnants on the walls of Krema I, to be seen here;



Who painted it and when?

How do you know what the inside of Kremas II to V and the two farmhouse bunker gas chambers looked like?

[HansHill]

How do you know the walls of Krema I's Leichenkeller, were not painted in 1941-2? Or, that the Nazis repainted it in 1944, when they built the three walls and added the porch and external door? Or that after the war, the Poles did any painting, or even removed paint, when they removed the 1944 additions?

There are paint remnants on the walls of Krema I, to be seen here;

Who painted it and when?

How do you know what the inside of Kremas II to V and the two farmhouse bunker gas chambers looked like?

You posted just this morning that trace amounts of HcN were found in the mortar due to exposure. Make up your mind you slop merchant.

[Callafangers]

Who painted it and when?

How do you know what the inside of Kremas II to V and the two farmhouse bunker gas chambers looked like?

Nessie, did you forget that it is you who is attempting to prove a murderous sequence of events? "Maybe there was paint" isn't going to cut it. You're seeking to explain away FeCN limitations, so you need to start by quantifying how much paint and of what type is needed to achieve the desired minimization you seek. Then, you need to evidence that it was indeed in-place. Because if it wasn't, then no further debate is needed -- your 'Holocaust' cannot have happened.

[Nessie]

How do you know the walls of Krema I's Leichenkeller, were not painted in 1941-2? Or, that the Nazis repainted it in 1944, when they built the three walls and added the porch and external door? Or that after the war, the Poles did any painting, or even removed paint, when they removed the 1944 additions?

There are paint remnants on the walls of Krema I, to be seen here;

Who painted it and when?

How do you know what the inside of Kremas II to V and the two farmhouse bunker gas chambers looked like?

You posted just this morning that trace amounts of HcN were found in the mortar due to exposure. Make up your mind you slop merchant.

Yes, earlier I posted about traces of HCN in the ruins and then later, I change to the subject of traces of paint, as I follow along with the discussion.

[Nessie]

Who painted it and when?

How do you know what the inside of Kremas II to V and the two farmhouse bunker gas chambers looked like?

Nessie, did you forget that it is you who is attempting to prove a murderous sequence of events? "Maybe there was paint" isn't going to cut it. You're seeking to explain away FeCN limitations, so you need to start by quantifying how much paint and of what type is needed to achieve the desired minimization you seek. Then, you need to evidence that it was indeed in-place. Because if it wasn't, then no further debate is needed -- your 'Holocaust' cannot have happened.

Your argument is that there were no traces of Prussian Blue on the walls of the gas chambers. I am asking you, how do you know that, especially in regard to the completely demolished Kremas IV and V and the two farm house bunkers and with no access to inside the Liechenkeller of Krema III?

[HansHill]

How do you know the walls of Krema I's Leichenkeller, were not painted in 1941-2? Or, that the Nazis repainted it in 1944, when they built the three walls and added the porch and external door? Or that after the war, the Poles did any painting, or even removed paint, when they removed the 1944 additions?

There are paint remnants on the walls of Krema I, to be seen here;

Who painted it and when?

How do you know what the inside of Kremas II to V and the two farmhouse bunker gas chambers looked like?

You posted just this morning that trace amounts of HcN were found in the mortar due to exposure. Make up your mind you slop merchant.

Yes, earlier I posted about traces of HCN in the ruins and then later, I change to the subject of traces of paint, as I follow along with the discussion.

"The walls were exposed to HCN and also not exposed to HCN"

Gents I am suggesting this for the Nessie Hall of Fame, who's with me?

[Callafangers]

Your argument is that there were no traces of Prussian Blue on the walls of the gas chambers. I am asking you, how do you know that, especially in regard to the completely demolished Kremas IV and V and the two farm house bunkers and with no access to inside the Liechenkeller of Krema III?

If the most heavily-exposed 'gas chamber' per your narrative (at Krema II) is measured to have essentially-zero FeCN, this is enough to cast doubt on the others as well. Keep in mind: you and your camp are the ones still lacking in your proof-burden. You build a story on tall tales, so the lack of forensic evidence either way is far more your problem than mine. Best of luck.

[Nessie]

You posted just this morning that trace amounts of HcN were found in the mortar due to exposure. Make up your mind you slop merchant.

Yes, earlier I posted about traces of HCN in the ruins and then later, I change to the subject of traces of paint, as I follow along with the discussion.

"The walls were exposed to HCN and also not exposed to HCN"

Gents I am suggesting this for the Nessie Hall of Fame, who's with me?

You are lying I said that. The walls were exposed to HCN, as proven by the forensic testing.

The conversation has also been about paint and Prussian Blue and whether or not they were present.

[Nessie]

Your argument is that there were no traces of Prussian Blue on the walls of the gas chambers. I am asking you, how do you know that, especially in regard to the completely demolished Kremas IV and V and the two farm house bunkers and with no access to inside the Liechenkeller of Krema III?

If the most heavily-exposed 'gas chamber' per your narrative (at Krema II) is measured to have essentially-zero FeCN, this is enough to cast doubt on the others as well. Keep in mind: you and your camp are the ones still lacking in your proof-burden. You build a story on tall tales, so the lack of forensic evidence either way is far more your problem than mine. Best of luck.

One tiny part of the basement, I am not even sure if it was the Leichenkeller, can be accessed to be viewed. Sampling is limited because of the collapsed roof. The highest test sample result was 640ug/kg of CN. Is that essentially zero, or are you misrepresenting the evidence, again?