Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[TlsMS93]

Today, Jews are fond of the motto: Never forget, never forgive. What does this suggest? A collectivity based on revenge?

[ConfusedJew]

An unfathomably greater quantity are understated or unknown. Jews have been responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths that history does not hold them to account for, and for which they continue to perpetrate and collectively enable.

I definitely think this is false but you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise if you are willing to provide evidence and arguments to support this.

Many antisemitic narratives tie Jews to communism and then blame Jews for killing millions in the USSR but this is a fallacy. Some communist leaders were Jewish but the vast majority of Jews were not communists. Many Jews were in fact persecuted by the same regimes (e.g., Stalin purged Jewish communists, banned Jewish institutions, and persecuted Jewish populations).

You may be more secular as a Jew but the core ideology which binds your tribe collectively is centered around the traditions and commandments you share in common. All of your holidays are about taking revenge on your perceived enemies, 'remembering what they did to you', and remembering God's promises for you to inherit, enslave, and subordinate the entire planet.

This is not accurate. I am an independent thinking humanist, not a religious Jew, although racially I am a Jew. I don't believe in collective punishment for anything, I think that should be badly punished.

I don't know what holidays is about taking revenge on "perceived" enemies or anything that says G-d has made a promise that Jews will inherit or enslave or subordinate the entire planet. This is news to me. You are welcome to try to prove me wrong though.

One has zero trouble finding rabbinical consensus about the prophecies surrounding Edom, Amalek, etc., and how these views correlate present-day to Jewish collective behavior.

Modern Jewish religious law has no practical halakhic category for identifying Amalek or Edom as actual ethnic groups in the world today. No rabbinical court identifies nations or ethnicities as Amalek and calls for genocide. This is universally understood to be a symbolic inheritance. Jews worldwide, religious or secular, do not act collectively under a unified rabbinical command. Most Jews today are secular or non-orthodox and do not see Biblical tribal enemies as a real-world policy agenda.

You're ascribing motive based on your own assumption -- what is proven is what Hitler said, what is not proven is your claim as to why.

He might have said it but he aspired to do the same thing but much worse. Do you disagree with that? Just because somebody says something, doesn't mean that they actually believe in what they are saying, especially if it is self serving. I guess it is kind of like a lie.

"Master race" was never said and serious notions of subjugating Slavs came only after the desperation and exigencies of wartime. Himmler and others did hold a negative views of Slavs before then, and Hitler’s own pre-war writings reflected some belief in Slavic "inferiority", but there is nothing at all showing that Hitler endorsed subjugation before 1939 (and also some evidence to the contrary, e.g. the 1934 Non-Aggression Pact and his respect for Piłsudski). The pre-war focus was on broader geopolitical goals and ideological posturing, with Slavic subjugation becoming defined/actionable mainly in response to strategic needs as the war intensified. Your claims of Hitler's "imperial conquest" and "master racism" are therefore bunk, as is his desire for "racial subjugation" in general.

You are right that the term “Master race” is more a popular English shorthand than a literal quote. The term is derived from German phrases like “Herrenvolk” and “Herrenrasse”, which did appear in Nazi rhetoric but not as an everyday official slogan. Hitler himself used related language repeatedly in Mein Kampf — speaking of the Aryan as the “culture-founder” and the “highest race” and other races as lesser. He does not use “Herrenvolk” constantly but he clearly believed that the Aryan is the racial elite, and Germans must guard racial purity.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler discusses Slavs as inferior, but primarily as obstacles to German eastward expansion. He calls for acquiring Lebensraum (living space) in the East, specifically Russia, and for German colonization and settlement. He says bluntly that Germany must seize territory from Russia and treat it as a colonial domain.

Hitler made private remarks in the 1930s (e.g., Table Talk, Hitler’s Secret Conversations, Goebbels’ diaries) that show he clearly wanted Eastern Europe to be cleared and settled by Germans with Slavs as a subservient peasantry or displaced.

Hitler did make pragmatic moves with Poland when he signed the 1934 pact to stabilize the east, partly to break France’s anti-German bloc but he didn't abandon expansionism. He used it as a tactic to buy time and isolate the USSR. The pact did not negate his ideological commitment to Lebensraum which was explicitly about German colonies in the East, to be carved from Slavic lands.

Total, unadulterated trash from you again ConfusedJew. Jews are the most ethnocentric and ideologically and politically consistent group in the history of human civilization and planet Earth.

You can lie through your teeth all you want, it has no power here.

If you are going to make such claims, at least define what you mean by "the most ethnocentric and ideologically and politically consistent group in the history of human civilization". I could say the same thing about white European Holocaust deniers and skeptics but it wouldn't mean anything. Really terrible counterargument but you are welcome to try again.

For the record, American Jews,the largest Jewish population outside Israel, have rates of intermarriage are very high: ~60% among non-Orthodox Jews. This is not consistent with extreme ethnocentrism.

Regarding your claim about ideological consistency, that is clearly false too. Medieval Jews produced rival religious sects (Karaites vs. Rabbinic Judaism). In the 19th century, major Jewish thinkers led both socialist revolution and capitalist industry. Even the early Zionists fought bitterly among themselves: Labor Zionists, Revisionists, Religious Zionists, Communists, Bundists, non-Zionists. There is no single unified “Jewish ideology” spanning centuries — only overlapping religious, cultural, and sometimes nationalist threads.

But it is true that Jewish communities have historically preserved identity over thousands of years as have many minority groups. Jews today are internally divided, pluralistic, and politically diverse. There is no credible historical or sociological evidence of unique “planet-wide ideological and political consistency.”

Norman Finkelstein has been denied tenure and generally persecuted for his views. Peter Beinhardt does not criticize Jews as Jews, nor even as Jewish organizations (he is a critic of Zionism). JVP is the same. Norman Finkelstein is basically your only relevant example, and only partly so, yet he is invalidated by the fact that he, too, has been persecuted and "shut down" by Jewish organizations and individuals.

I'm not sure what your point is. You said that Jews don't criticize other Jews or Jewish organizations or movements and that's clearly false.

Here's the critical point: despite all of the Jewish power that exists, not 0.001% of it is being used to expose Jewish schemes, to counteract Jewish power or initiatives, etc. Collectively, Jews are absolutely not (at any measurable scale) counteracting the Jewish problem. They are either perpetrators or enablers -- full stop.

Again this is false and dogmatic. There are well-known Jewish dissidents, Jewish human rights organizations, Jewish anti-occupation groups, Jewish anti-lobby critics — and they are not fringe lunatics, but recognized public actors. They simply are not the majority voice inside organized communal politics.

There are so many more that I could add to the list but I won't even bother to try because you will likely just dogmatically reject them as you did before.

Uh-huh. Cool story bro.

"Trust me, I'm Jewish!"

Jews are absolutely a sadistic cult, by definition. Cutting apart and sucking on infant penises (see: Metzizah b'peh), ritual animal torture and sacrifices (purging sins through chickens, etc.), extremely violent revenge-themes in holidays like Purim and Hannukah and the Passover Seder, explicit commandments to commit genocide against people and children (wipe out Amalek), plans to subjugate all nations (see: Eruvin 43b), etc., and not to mention the religious themes attached directly to the mass slaughter against Palestinians. Jews are the most widespread and sadistic cult on the planet today -- again, full-stop.

These claims are so wrong that I'm not sure they are worth responding to but I will do it anyway to see if you will concede even an inch on something that is 99% wrong.

Metzizah b'peh is rejected by the vast majority of Jewish medical authorities. Jewish doctors, rabbis, and local governments have regulated or tried to ban it. Jewish community newspapers debate it. In reality, it's an isolated and controversial practice within a small subgroup of Jews. And the purpose has nothing to do with inflicting pain on infants so the argument that this is a widespread sadistic practice is 100% wrong. Please do respond to that because I want to see how you will rationalize making a completely false claim.

Animal sacrifice ended 2000 years ago with the destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE).Some traditional Jews use kapparot (swinging a chicken before Yom Kippur) but many rabbis discourage this and encourage giving money instead. Jewish animal welfare groups actively campaign against chicken kapparot. You are cherry picking a controversial practice within a small minority of Jews and ascribe collective guilt for something that you don't like. That's the definition of extreme racism.

Purim is a holiday that celebrates the story of survival of genocide from the Book of Esther. The modern practice is to wear costumes, give charity, and get drunk. There's no violence to speak of. I'm not sure how this advances your argument at all. You are welcome to address this if you would like.

Hannukah commemorates the liberation of the Jews from religious persecution of the Hellenists and the Seleucid Empire. The modern holiday celebrates by lighting candles, playing games, and eating fried food. No revenge or violent acts are involved.

Eruvin is about Sabbath boundaries, travel, and local laws, it has nothing about world conquest. Antisemitic tracts quote Talmud lines out of context or with forged translations. Real Talmud study shows vast legal arguments on ritual practice, not political domination.

There is a fringe religious Jewish group that uses messianic or biblical rhetoric to justify violence. Israeli courts, soldiers, politicians, and large parts of Jewish society oppose or prosecute extremist acts. Again this is collective punishment for the actions of a tiny minority that the vast majority of Jews oppose. Do you want to be punished for everything that every white nationalist does?

I don't see how any of this advances your argument that Judaism is a sadistic cult. You seem brainwashed to me to be honest.

This doesn't justify anything like wanton violence against Jews, of course -- it is simply stating a conclusive fact which is evidenced beyond any shred of doubt whatsoever.

OK but I don't believe that you provided a shred of evidence advancing your argument, let alone a conclusive argument. Beyond tiny isolated groups or practices, which you have largely misinterpreted, your arguments were almost entirely false and even when they were true, they were greatly exaggerated.

Thanks for opposing wanton violence against Jews though I guess.

[ConfusedJew]

Today, Jews are fond of the motto: Never forget, never forgive. What does this suggest? A collectivity based on revenge?

I don't know what you are talking about. Never forget, never forgive is not a motto of the Jewish people.

In reality, there is no organized Jewish religious or political program to attack descendants of perpetrators or wage new vendettas.

You are welcome to disprove me but I think you are wildly wrong about this although you may find a few isolated cases out of the millions of Jews on this planet.

There is a huge problem on this forum of cherry picking the actions of like 3 Jews and ascribing it to the 15 million of us that are on this planet.

I think that's a stupid and racist thing to do personally. You are welcome to logically disagree.

[Callafangers]

I definitely think this is false but you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise if you are willing to provide evidence and arguments to support this.

Many antisemitic narratives tie Jews to communism and then blame Jews for killing millions in the USSR but this is a fallacy. Some communist leaders were Jewish but the vast majority of Jews were not communists. Many Jews were in fact persecuted by the same regimes (e.g., Stalin purged Jewish communists, banned Jewish institutions, and persecuted Jewish populations).

No, it's not a fallacy. My argument is not that "all Jews are communists and every Jew is a murderer." My argument is, however, just as simple: international Jewry was responsible for the Bolshevik takeover in the past, international Jewry into present-day has covered it up, and Jews universally (with virtually zero exceptions) cover-up the fact of international Jewry and its misdeeds.

This is not accurate. I am an independent thinking humanist, not a religious Jew, although racially I am a Jew. I don't believe in collective punishment for anything, I think that should be badly punished.

I don't know what holidays is about taking revenge on "perceived" enemies or anything that says G-d has made a promise that Jews will inherit or enslave or subordinate the entire planet. This is news to me. You are welcome to try to prove me wrong though.

ConfusedJew... you say you are "not a religious Jew" and then IN THE SAME REPLY, you censor the word "God" as "G-d" -- a Jewish religious practice. Do you have to lie so constantly?

The phenomenon of Jews pretending to be "secular humanists" -- or, as they are called within Jewish networks: "universalists" (as opposed to "particularists") -- began post-Middle Ages only in the early-mid 1700s with Russian efforts to assimilate the previously-isolated Jewish communities. Once Jews realized they could effectively subvert the "goyim" (and Russia, in particular, at least at first) from these 'assimilated' positions, they were glad to break free from the Pale of Settlement, moving their activities inward to the Russian interior, establishing famous Jewish city-centers in places like Odesa, from which to further develop and expand their criminal enterprises and subversion.

Eventually, this same "universalist" trend caught wind among other Jews choosing to engage similarly in other European nations.

All of this is voluminously documented in Alexander Solzhenitsyn's "200 Years Together", available here: https://archive.org/stream/200-years-to ... d_djvu.txt

As for the Jewish holidays, there is absolutely no secret nor question that Purim, Hannukah, and the Passover Seder (among other traditions/holidays) are explicitly about "remembering one's enemies", revenge and/or extremely violent themes. Anyone with Google, Wikipedia, and five minutes on their hands can easily confirm this. Call it "news", I call you a liar.

As for the point on subordination/enslaving the globe, there is a reason I cited my source. See my previous reply.

Modern Jewish religious law has no practical halakhic category for identifying Amalek or Edom as actual ethnic groups in the world today.

Wrong, or misleading. It is commonly reported among rabbis that Amalek may "reveal himself" through his actions, his hatred of the Jewish people. Amalek is considered a tribe -- a blood tribe -- one which any common sense can suggest that Jews who promote and believe that Germans/Aryans (white people) killed "6 million Jews" would find this as a sufficient revelation of which specific tribe has "revealed itself" as Amalek. Jews are commanded to literally and physically kill the entire tribe, to physically wipe out even their memory, violently, including the children. Absolutely disgusting.

No rabbinical court identifies nations or ethnicities as Amalek and calls for genocide. This is universally understood to be a symbolic inheritance. Jews worldwide, religious or secular, do not act collectively under a unified rabbinical command. Most Jews today are secular or non-orthodox and do not see Biblical tribal enemies as a real-world policy agenda

Jews are constantly in a delicate balance of advancing their agenda while also avoiding persecution and they are explicitly commanded to lie whenever it is deemed necessary in order to protect the Jewish people (and by extension, Jewish interests). There are specific commandments which attest to this, and examples of it carried out in practice by modern Jews.

He might have said it but he aspired to do the same thing but much worse. Do you disagree with that? Just because somebody says something, doesn't mean that they actually believe in what they are saying, especially if it is self serving. I guess it is kind of like a lie.

Hitler cared about the German people. The Slavic nations were not compatible with German people. Saying this, or even finding them inferior in certain ways, does not entail a will to enslave nor kill them off. But it is common-sense that as actual war approaches or begins, this changes the context significantly.

You are right that the term “Master race” is more a popular English shorthand than a literal quote.

It's not "shorthand" -- it's a lie, ConfusedJew. The Allies lied, the Jews lied, and Germany was right. The world is waking up to this.

The term is derived from German phrases like “Herrenvolk” and “Herrenrasse”, which did appear in Nazi rhetoric but not as an everyday official slogan. Hitler himself used related language repeatedly in Mein Kampf — speaking of the Aryan as the “culture-founder” and the “highest race” and other races as lesser.

He may or may not be correct about some of his specific claims in this regard. You will need to raise them case-by-case. But if he had ever said anything like, "Germans are the master-race and other races are inferior" -- anything like this -- then you would have already copy-pasted it here at some point. It'd be in every textbook. Instead, we see much more nuanced (and intelligent, reasonable) ideas from Adolf Hitler when his words are actually read and understood in-context.

He does not use “Herrenvolk” constantly but he clearly believed that the Aryan is the racial elite, and Germans must guard racial purity.

Hitler simply spoke positively and cheered on his own race. This is typical behavior among people of every race except white people today, who have been beaten down by Jewish-led propaganda and falsified historical narratives.

The survey below essentially just asked, "how favorable do you feel toward people of X race":

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Based on data from American National Election studies, see p. 121-124: https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/ ... e_post.pdf

Notice that the above shows clearly that white people are the least "racist" of any group, yet all of the Jewish-controlled media, academia, and other institutions insist otherwise.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler discusses Slavs as inferior, but primarily as obstacles to German eastward expansion. He calls for acquiring Lebensraum (living space) in the East, specifically Russia, and for German colonization and settlement. He says bluntly that Germany must seize territory from Russia and treat it as a colonial domain.

Russia was NOT actually Russian-controlled at the time Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. Bolshevik Jews had already seized the nation and were slaughtering actual Russians en masse.

Hitler made private remarks in the 1930s (e.g., Table Talk, Hitler’s Secret Conversations, Goebbels’ diaries) that show he clearly wanted Eastern Europe to be cleared and settled by Germans with Slavs as a subservient peasantry or displaced.

The Table Talks are NOT a reliable source of information:

The idea that the table talks contain Hitler’s words as they were actually spoken to his entourage in the various military HQs during the war must, as a result, be considered to have been conclusively disproven. The table talks are not that kind of sources, since they, contrary to what has been assumed by prior research, were not the product of stenographic notes. Instead, they were (as in the case of the nightly monologues) re-constructed entirely from memory, and sometimes partly from so-called supporting words. Heim’s proof pages show that they were not only edited later on – text was added, taken out, or moved around – and sometimes finished long after the date on them. Nor was Hitler more honest in these statements; the evidence is that lies from Mein Kampf are repeated in the table talks even though many of those present must have known that what he said was not true.

Nilson, M. (2021). Hitler Redux: The Incredible History of Hitler’s So-Called Table Talks. p. 384
https://ia801207.us.archive.org/13/item ... org%29.pdf

If you're going to reference Goebbels' diary, please quote it, but you're still dealing with a very non-Russian, Jewish "Russia" which had even further increased their slaughter of actual Russian citizens by the 1930s.

Hitler did make pragmatic moves with Poland when he signed the 1934 pact to stabilize the east, partly to break France’s anti-German bloc but he didn't abandon expansionism. He used it as a tactic to buy time and isolate the USSR. The pact did not negate his ideological commitment to Lebensraum which was explicitly about German colonies in the East, to be carved from Slavic lands.

Again, Russia was NOT Russian by this time. Any effort by Hitler to seize lands controlled by bloodthirsty Jewish Bolsheviks is a good, benevolent, positive thing, not an 'evil'.

If you are going to make such claims, at least define what you mean by "the most ethnocentric and ideologically and politically consistent group in the history of human civilization". I could say the same thing about white European Holocaust deniers and skeptics but it wouldn't mean anything. Really terrible counterargument but you are welcome to try again.

For the record, American Jews,the largest Jewish population outside Israel, have rates of intermarriage are very high: ~60% among non-Orthodox Jews. This is not consistent with extreme ethnocentrism.

Regarding your claim about ideological consistency, that is clearly false too. Medieval Jews produced rival religious sects (Karaites vs. Rabbinic Judaism). In the 19th century, major Jewish thinkers led both socialist revolution and capitalist industry. Even the early Zionists fought bitterly among themselves: Labor Zionists, Revisionists, Religious Zionists, Communists, Bundists, non-Zionists. There is no single unified “Jewish ideology” spanning centuries — only overlapping religious, cultural, and sometimes nationalist threads.

But it is true that Jewish communities have historically preserved identity over thousands of years as have many minority groups. Jews today are internally divided, pluralistic, and politically diverse. There is no credible historical or sociological evidence of unique “planet-wide ideological and political consistency.”

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I'm not sure what your point is. You said that Jews don't criticize other Jews or Jewish organizations or movements and that's clearly false.

Only with total disregard of proportionality and trends can your above drivel be taken seriously. You can keep the sub-90 IQ visitors we might have passing through here. For the others, I've already won.

Again this is false and dogmatic. There are well-known Jewish dissidents, Jewish human rights organizations, Jewish anti-occupation groups, Jewish anti-lobby critics — and they are not fringe lunatics, but recognized public actors. They simply are not the majority voice inside organized communal politics.

There are so many more that I could add to the list but I won't even bother to try because you will likely just dogmatically reject them as you did before.

Firstly, you're now listing a range of categories -- "Jewish dissidents, Jewish human rights organizations, Jewish anti-occupation groups, Jewish anti-lobby critics" -- none of these are explicitly against the Jewish problem in itself, which is one of subversion of nations from within, of unpatriotic and disloyal Jews organizing specifically for Jewish interests from positions of power within host nations. By chopping it up to be about Zionism, Israel lobbies, etc., you attempt to distract from what I have actually pointed out: despite all their power, Jews are not organizing forcefully (nor even lightly) against Jewish power networks and their patterns of behavior. Whether across national borders or across centuries, Jewish behavior remains essentially the same at its power centers, and its extended networks -- as tribal beneficiaries and co-ideologists -- invariably become passive enablers.

These claims are so wrong that I'm not sure they are worth responding to but I will do it anyway to see if you will concede even an inch on something that is 99% wrong.

Metzizah b'peh is rejected by the vast majority of Jewish medical authorities. Jewish doctors, rabbis, and local governments have regulated or tried to ban it. Jewish community newspapers debate it. In reality, it's an isolated and controversial practice within a small subgroup of Jews. And the purpose has nothing to do with inflicting pain on infants so the argument that this is a widespread sadistic practice is 100% wrong. Please do respond to that because I want to see how you will rationalize making a completely false claim.

You're so transparently disgusting, how can I even respond? The issue is that rabbis have for many generations been doing this and, yet, despite all of their media outlets, there were total crickets from the Jewish community, at least until recent years when non-Jews began to catch wind of it (a big 'chillul Hashem', so to speak; a very bad PR situation), mainly due to situations like this:

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How "rare" can this be to be causing multiple cases of herpes?

Even without the disgusting infant-fellatio, circumcision is a painful event for a baby, yet Jews treat it as a celebration. How is this not perfectly within the definition of "sadistic"?

sadistic
adjective
- Delighting in or feeling pleasure from the pain of others.
- Of behaviour which gives pleasure in the pain of others.

And -- call me crazy -- but doesn't sucking the baby's dick add a further disturbing element, here?

Animal sacrifice ended 2000 years ago with the destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE).Some traditional Jews use kapparot (swinging a chicken before Yom Kippur) but many rabbis discourage this and encourage giving money instead. Jewish animal welfare groups actively campaign against chicken kapparot. You are cherry picking a controversial practice within a small minority of Jews and ascribe collective guilt for something that you don't like. That's the definition of extreme racism.

No, ConfusedJew, it is you who is cherry-picking from my list of Jewish behaviors for those which are still indisputably Jewish but which you seek technical 'gotchas' about how some (not all) of them have fallen into relative obscurity. The only reason Jews are not doing sacrifices today, according to Judaism, is that they do not have a Temple. Losing their Temple is the only reason they ever stopped. Yet many of them still kill and torture chickens annually. Far more of them are killing/torturing chickens than have ever protested the torturing of chickens.

Purim is a holiday that celebrates the story of survival of genocide from the Book of Esther. The modern practice is to wear costumes, give charity, and get drunk. There's no violence to speak of. I'm not sure how this advances your argument at all. You are welcome to address this if you would like.

Purim is a celebration of the deaths of Haman's ten sons, you relentless liar. Why do you lie so much? Again, any person with five minutes on their hands and willing to see through Jewish 'hasbara' tactics can plainly verify this indisputable fact. Purim is all about revenge. A quick ChatGPT question:

During the Orthodox celebration of Purim, the reading of the Megillah (Book of Esther) in synagogues includes the graphic recounting of Haman’s execution and the killing of his ten sons (Esther 7:10, 9:7-10), as well as the reported slaughter of 75,000 enemies (Esther 9:16), with festive noise-making at Haman’s name that could be interpreted as reveling in vengeance and violence against historical adversaries.

LOL, ConfusedJew. LOL, indeed.

Hannukah commemorates the liberation of the Jews from religious persecution of the Hellenists and the Seleucid Empire. The modern holiday celebrates by lighting candles, playing games, and eating fried food. No revenge or violent acts are involved.

Just incredible. You lie like a rug:

In Orthodox observance of Hanukkah, the commemoration of the Maccabean Revolt emphasizes the violent overthrow of Greek Seleucid oppressors, with prayers and songs (like "Al Hanissim") that highlight military victory, which could be interpreted as glorifying aggressive retribution and the suffering of enemies.

Eruvin is about Sabbath boundaries, travel, and local laws, it has nothing about world conquest. Antisemitic tracts quote Talmud lines out of context or with forged translations. Real Talmud study shows vast legal arguments on ritual practice, not political domination.

You lie not as second nature but as your first nature. You never stop:

...for once the Messiah comes, all the nations will be subservient to the Jewish people, and they will help them prepare whatever is needed for Shabbat.

https://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5444 ... pter-4/43b

There is a fringe religious Jewish group that uses messianic or biblical rhetoric to justify violence. Israeli courts, soldiers, politicians, and large parts of Jewish society oppose or prosecute extremist acts. Again this is collective punishment for the actions of a tiny minority that the vast majority of Jews oppose. Do you want to be punished for everything that every white nationalist does?

I don't see how any of this advances your argument that Judaism is a sadistic cult. You seem brainwashed to me to be honest.

I think you've received enough of a spanking for one day.

OK but I don't believe that you provided a shred of evidence advancing your argument, let alone a conclusive argument. Beyond tiny isolated groups or practices, which you have largely misinterpreted, your arguments were almost entirely false and even when they were true, they were greatly exaggerated.

No one will ever know what you actually "think" because you are simply lying constantly. Any truth you tell is only ever out of convenience or circumstance, never out of any core principles in that regard. Your core principles are the 'yearning' you have for Moshiach so that you can finally conquer the goyim and inherit the Earth. You are a sadistic liar, pure and simple. This is not true of every single Jew but, for those who are not lying or doing sadistic acts, they still defend or stay silent about those who do, with near-zero exceptions.

Show me the heavily-funded, widely-supported organization titled "Jews Against Jewish Power" (past or present) and I'll be glad to take your position more seriously.

[Nessie]

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Apples and pears mate, apples and pears.

Double standards.

Can't be bothered to spell it out but Nessie has, once again deliberately or otherwise, missed the point. It is not double standards so I would request that Nessie reads what was said in the above posts and thinks clearly about the implications and details of the matter.

Criticising all Jews, because of the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza, is as right as holding all British people responsible for the UK government's actions during the Troubles.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I definitely think this is false but you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise if you are willing to provide evidence and arguments to support this.

...My argument is not that "all Jews are communists and every Jew is a murderer." My argument is, however, just as simple: international Jewry was responsible for the Bolshevik takeover in the past, international Jewry into present-day has covered it up, and Jews universally (with virtually zero exceptions) cover-up the fact of international Jewry and its misdeeds.

... you're listing a range of categories -- "Jewish dissidents, Jewish human rights organizations, Jewish anti-occupation groups, Jewish anti-lobby critics" -- none of these are explicitly against the Jewish problem in itself, which is one of subversion of nations from within, of unpatriotic and disloyal Jews organizing specifically for Jewish interests from positions of power within host nations.
By chopping it up to be about Zionism, Israel lobbies, etc., you attempt to distract from what I have actually pointed out: despite all their power, Jews are not organizing forcefully (nor even lightly) against Jewish power networks and their patterns of behavior. Whether across national borders or across centuries, Jewish behavior remains essentially the same at its power centers, and its extended networks -- as tribal beneficiaries and co-ideologists -- invariably become passive enablers.

...You're so transparently disgusting, how can I even respond?

The issue is that rabbis have for many generations been doing this [infant-fellatio+circumcision] and, yet, despite all of their media outlets, there were total crickets from the Jewish community, at least until recent years when non-Jews began to catch wind of it (a big 'chillul Hashem', so to speak; a very bad PR situation), mainly due to situations like this... [snip]

Even without the disgusting infant-fellatio, circumcision is a painful event for a baby, yet Jews treat it as a celebration. How is this not perfectly within the definition of "sadistic"?

sadistic
adjective
- Delighting in or feeling pleasure from the pain of others.
- Of behaviour which gives pleasure in the pain of others.

And -- call me crazy -- but doesn't sucking the baby's dick add a further disturbing element, here?

...ConfusedJew, it is you who is cherry-picking from my list of Jewish behaviors for those which are still indisputably Jewish but which you seek technical 'gotchas' about how some (not all) of them have fallen into relative obscurity. The only reason Jews are not doing sacrifices today, according to Judaism, is that they do not have a Temple. Losing their Temple is the only reason they ever stopped. Yet many of them still kill and torture chickens annually. Far more of them are killing/torturing chickens than have ever protested the torturing of chickens.

...Purim is a celebration of the deaths of Haman's ten sons, you relentless liar. Why do you lie so much?

Hannukah commemorates the ... [snip]...

Just incredible. You lie like a rug:

Eruvin is about ... [snip]...

You lie not as second nature but as your first nature. You never stop:

...for once the Messiah comes, all the nations will be subservient to the Jewish people, and they will help them prepare whatever is needed for Shabbat.
https://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5444 ... pter-4/43b

OK but I don't believe that you provided a shred of evidence advancing your argument, let alone a conclusive argument. Beyond tiny isolated groups or practices, which you have largely misinterpreted, your arguments were almost entirely false and even when they were true, they were greatly exaggerated.

No one will ever know what you actually "think" because you are simply lying constantly.

Any truth you tell is only ever out of convenience or circumstance, never out of any core principles in that regard.
...You are a sadistic liar, pure and simple. This is not true of every single Jew but, for those who are not lying or doing sadistic acts, they still defend or stay silent about those who do, with near-zero exceptions.

Show me the heavily-funded, widely-supported organization titled "Jews Against Jewish Power" (past or present) and I'll be glad to take your position more seriously.

Thanks for taking the time to rebut this persons constant stream of jewish-supporting/defending deceptions. Appreciated.

Ironically CJ asked for evidence, despite himself being the evidence of this that you wrote: "Jews universally (with virtually zero exceptions) cover-up the fact of international Jewry and its misdeeds".

If this is due to ignorance, the blind-spot is massive.
If it is due to calculated deception, we have yet another evidence for him.

[borjastick]

'Hello there all my family were killed in Auschwitz. Give me your money'.

Such a small group of people with a very narrow vision of the world and an inflated sense of their place in it has caused so much conflict and trouble, way beyond the norm, yet their arrogance stops them even for a second in second guessing themselves. They genuinely believe, as has been claimed here, that they are more clever than your average Joe in white society. They believe they cannot be held responsible as a group for what other jews have done and liken the whole white European and American peoples into the same equivalence. They say that the Protocols of Zion is a fake work by a jew hater yet completely ignore the fact that fake or not it is correct and that is the point. They say they were victims of Hitler and fascism yet behave exactly like Hitler and fascism in their abusive and violent actions towards those who live around them.

I have met and liked many jews though I can't say I got to know them privately but I have never liked an israeli. From seconds after meeting one they exude an oily like substance and aura of nasty arrogance and shysterism.

Of course when I say israeli what I am referring to is ashkenazis. I sit here not really caring if israel gets nuked by Iran or the other way around but really hoping for a very great bomb to arrive in Tel Aviv and fuck them so badly they retreat into their shelters for a very long time.

Of course we all know the whining, bleating and bitching about the rise in anti-semitism will reach a crescendo over the coming months as people show their intense dislike over that which is happening in Gaza. The israelis are so horrible they kill people in food lines indiscriminately and don't now even bother to lie and give a dodgy excuse. The good thing is we know from history that the ashkenazis are world champions at self immolation and self destruction.

[HansHill]

They say that the Protocols of Zion is a fake work by a jew hater yet completely ignore the fact that fake or not it is correct and that is the point.

This is such an underrated point. If the Protocols were demonstrrated to be nothing more than an elaborate long-game propaganda piece by Jew-haters (i am on the fence about this to begin with), that ironically would strengthen its value and predictive power, as it would represent an outsider's analysis of what would unfold, rather than an insider's.

[ConfusedJew]

I think you've received enough of a spanking for one day.

You hardly addressed any of my claims or arguments directly and you keep repeating false statements. I'm not sure that I can continue this debate with you as you are dodging almost everything that I am saying.

ConfusedJew, it is you who is cherry-picking from my list of Jewish behaviors for those which are still indisputably Jewish but which you seek technical 'gotchas' about how some (not all) of them have fallen into relative obscurity. The only reason Jews are not doing sacrifices today, according to Judaism, is that they do not have a Temple. Losing their Temple is the only reason they ever stopped. Yet many of them still kill and torture chickens annually. Far more of them are killing/torturing chickens than have ever protested the torturing of chickens.

I'm absolutely not cherry picking. These counterarguments are just so bad and off point that it doesn't seem like you have any interest in a good faith debate. Let me give you a single example of how you are dodging and engaging in bad faith.

Jewish law prohibits causing unnecessary suffering to animals (tza’ar ba’alei chayim). Many rabbis and Jewish animal welfare groups argue that the way some Kapparot operations are run violates this principle. Even within Orthodox communities, Kapparot is a source of significant controversy. Preventing unnecessary suffering to animals is a halachic obligation, not just a moral suggestion.

Do you even care about animal welfare? Are you vegan? If not, do you buy meat and eggs and milk from cage free or humanely treated animals?

Do you want to be held accountable for the actions of every single white person?

Come on, you are being a huge hypocrite and dishonest.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Here’s a recent article that touches on this:

…your tribe told a story about Hitler and the Germans committing outrageous wrongs and — through some sort of black magic — convinced most Western goyim cattle that German wrongs somehow eternally justify the Jews’ genocidal revenge against the Palestinians!

Consider the words of one such goy dupe, Piers Morgan:

Piers Morgan: “…Obviously they (Hamas) target and murder as many Jewish people as they can get their hands on. And you say it’s because they are Israelis, not Jewish.”

Ahmed Alnaouq: “Because they are occupiers, because they occupied our country.”

Morgan: “And because they are Jewish.”

Alnaouq: “No. Because they occupied our country, and colonised our country. Because they came to our country and kicked us out in 1948 and they killed thousands of Palestinians, including my grandparents.”

Morgan: “But you know why Israel was set up after World War Two. Because Jewish people were the victims of an appalling Holocaust by Hitler and the Nazis where 6 million of them were exterminated purely for their ethnicity and for being Jewish. So the Jewish people were given the state of Israel.”

Alnaouq: “My country.”

Morgan: “I understand that argument, but it wasn’t ‘Israelis’ given that land. It was the Jewish people.”

Alnaouq: “Who are you to give the Jewish people my country?”

Who indeed, Piers? I’ll tell you who. You — the typical goy dupe, that’s who.
You are apparently too stupid to understand that ‘Germans wronging Jews justifies Jews wronging Palestinians’ doesn’t compute. Most children can handle that level of moral reasoning by age three or four. But not you, apparently. And not the rest of your genocide-inciting media, genocide-funding taxpayers, and genocide-perpetrating arms industry.

Question:
What, precisely, has reduced Piers Morgan’s (and the West’s) moral-intellectual capacity to the sub-two-year-old level?

Answer:
The answer is obvious, but taboo. The crazed, vicious, ultra-vindictive, genocidal, tribal-psychopathic Jewish propaganda that dominates Western media because Jewish usurers (the descendants of Shylock), have bought it up and turned it into a Jewish-supremacist genocide-propaganda machine.

Jewish ideology justifies unlimited Jewish aggression, i.e. endless plundering of the goyim, as purported revenge for wrongs suffered. Whether it’s Shylock seeking murderous revenge for Antonio falling behind on loan payments, or Israel claiming its genocide of Gaza is retribution for October 7, Jews pretend that their lust for bloody humiliation and liquidation of their perceived enemies is natural—when in fact, as Portia shows in The Merchant of Venice, such tribally-inculcated viciousness is profoundly unnatural and inhuman.

The Jewish tribe’s penchant for grotesque and disproportionate vindictiveness, justified by lies or exaggerations about alleged wrongs suffered, is deeply rooted in the religious tradition that gave rise to Jewish tribal identity. An old Jewish joke has it that every Jewish holiday is exactly the same: “They tried to kill us, we won, let’s eat.”
The Jews celebrate the massacre of their purported Egyptian enemies every Passover. They rejoice over the genocidal slaughter of 75,000 Persian men, women, and children every Purim. They make merry over the mass slaughter of Greeks and Hellenistic Jews by maniacal Maccabbees every Hanukkah.

Maybe that joke’s tag-line should be re-written as:

We claim they tried to genocide us. We genocided them first. Let’s eat.

Or more accurately:

We made up a lie about how they, or somebody, tried to genocide us. Then we genocided them and stole their stuff, which was the whole point all along. So let’s squat on their stolen land, piss on their graves, eat from their larders, and prance around in the their murdered women’s undergarments.

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/shakespear ... -theorist/

[HansHill]

Do you want to be held accountable for the actions of every single white person?
Come on, you are being a huge hypocrite and dishonest.

I find this sentence disingenuous. Whether or not Callafangers or any other White person is "held accountable" for the actions of every White person as a group, is irrelevant. The world works according to groups, not individuals, whether we like it or not.

Example:



Should Callafangers ever wish to become a citizen of the great Nation of Liberia, he would be denied this great opportunity. He will be told, to his face, that Liberians deserve a destiny separate from White people because of Slavery, and that will be the end of the discussion. He will have no legal basis to overturn this, he would have no recourse to "justice" of becoming a Liberian citizen should he wish, and were he to try this on Liberian soil as a tourist, I would fear for his safety.

The same thing holds true for Catholics for example in Ireland: They are told, you don't get to live in a Catholic theocracy anymore because of Catholic priest child abuses.

**Edit** Also how much has the **modern** German state paid to Israel in Holocaust reparations?

[TlsMS93]

I don't know what you are talking about. Never forget, never forgive is not a motto of the Jewish people.

In reality, there is no organized Jewish religious or political program to attack descendants of perpetrators or wage new vendettas.

You are welcome to disprove me but I think you are wildly wrong about this although you may find a few isolated cases out of the millions of Jews on this planet.

There is a huge problem on this forum of cherry picking the actions of like 3 Jews and ascribing it to the 15 million of us that are on this planet.

I think that's a stupid and racist thing to do personally. You are welcome to logically disagree.

What I see most is Jews on their forums when they remember the Holocaust quoting this motto. The census of revenge against Amalek itself invokes what they supposedly did to the Hebrew tribes in the desert, so there is a connection, just as Jews also accuse Hamas of wanting to exterminate the Jews with its slogan “From the River to the Sea,” as if the founding charter of the Likud party that declared that “Between the Sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty” could not also be interpreted as a sign of the extermination of the Palestinians.

[borjastick]

...as if the founding charter of the Likud party that declared that “Between the Sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty” could not also be interpreted as a sign of the extermination of the Palestinians.

It means exactly that.

[ConfusedJew]

Should Callafangers ever wish to become a citizen of the great Nation of Liberia, he would be denied this great opportunity. He will be told, to his face, that Liberians deserve a destiny separate from White people because of Slavery, and that will be the end of the discussion. He will have no legal basis to overturn this, he would have no recourse to "justice" of becoming a Liberian citizen should he wish, and were he to try this on Liberian soil as a tourist, I would fear for his safety.

The same thing holds true for Catholics for example in Ireland: They are told, you don't get to live in a Catholic theocracy anymore because of Catholic priest child abuses.

**Edit** Also how much has the **modern** German state paid to Israel in Holocaust reparations?

Liberia’s constitution and Aliens and Nationality Law limit citizenship by birth or naturalization exclusively to “Negroes or persons of Negro descent.” This means a White foreigner like “Callafangers” would indeed be legally ineligible to naturalize as a Liberian citizen, no matter how long he lives there. There is no realistic legal path to overturn this in Liberia’s courts: the restriction is explicit in both statute and constitution. If he tried to agitate for citizenship rights for Whites while in Liberia, it would be deeply provocative and could endanger him socially or physically.

This restriction was rooted in the country’s founding—Liberia was created in the 1800s by free African Americans and formerly enslaved people, who wanted a Black homeland separate from White domination. The law is meant to preserve that original racial identity.

Ireland used to be a de facto Catholic theocracy in the 20th century, with strong clerical influence over laws, schools, and moral life. After the Church sex abuse scandals, public trust plummeted, and Ireland secularized very quickly. Abortion, divorce, same-sex marriage—things once unimaginable—became legal. But it’s not that Catholics are legally banned from restoring a theocracy; it’s just that public sentiment strongly rejects clerical power now. So this is a matter of democracy, not a codified prohibition like Liberia’s racial clause.

Germany has paid Israel (and Jewish survivors worldwide) various forms of reparations since 1952. With the 1952 Luxembourg Agreement, West Germany agreed to pay 3 billion Deutschmarks (~$714 million USD then, about $8–10 billion today adjusted for inflation) directly to Israel to help resettle Holocaust survivors. Billions more have gone to individual survivors worldwide through direct pensions, medical care, and social services. The German government and historians generally put total payments to Israel and Jewish organizations at €25–30 billion euros in total since 1952. Some figures reach €40 billion if you include all individual pensions and social spending.

These are all interesting but you didn't ask a question or make an argument that I can respond to.

[AreYouSirius]

You hardly addressed any of my claims or arguments directly and you keep repeating false statements. I'm not sure that I can continue this debate with you as you are dodging almost everything that I am saying.

Look, I get it. You feel very attacked. Also I think you’re shocked that you’ve entered a dialogue that isn’t automatically fawning or delicate with Judaism nor your Jewish identity.

However you’re wrong in asserting Callafangers didn’t address your claims or arguments directly. They quoted you repeatedly and provided clarity and refutations to what you said.

I had to deal with Mormonism as a religion, culture, and centrally controlled hedge fund being a sham and detrimental to its members and to society. It involved unpleasant realizations, me feeling duped, and feeling regret for the ways I previously propped up and evangelized Mormonism.

You too will need to undergo a similar reflective journey at some place and time. If not in this incarnation, then maybe a future one. However you don’t sound ready yet.