The "Holocaust" and creation of Israel

[InuYasha]

(((They))) had never had the perfect opportunity to gain their own ethno state like they got after Hitler and the Nuremberg laws and then the european second war. All of this added up to the perfect storm for them inside which to create their claimed genocide and 6m deaths.

The stage was set, the curtains went up et voila! israel was born. All they now needed was to clear the land of the real inhabitants and for that they took the long game which we see concluding in Gaza at this time.

Rather, the events of World War II, which were unfortunate for the Axis powers, created a unique opportunity for the Zionist leadership.

If what is happening in Palestine is a cleansing, then it has largely failed, in the sense that in 77 years the Arab population has not been displaced (and is unlikely to be displaced ever).

This statement is so far away from the reality of the facts that is either:
a.) delusional denial;
or
b.) deliberate zionist deception.

Now the question is, what will the Israeli elite do?

No, no.
I suggest a more important question for world peace and for the rule of law is what are the other nations of the world to do now. Genocide on this scale is the ultimate crime. So we have all been told for eight decades, anyway. So what are WE the people of the world going to do about THAT crime, one WE permitted to occur in OUR lifetimes?

In my opinion, the only objective solution would be a transition to a truly free society, but this would include the rejection of any ethnic or religious superiority, and the recognition of equal rights for all residents of this territory, regardless of nationality.

Either division into two fully independent states, or equality within one jurisdiction.

In other words you want to ‘reward’ the perpetrators of the WORST crimes of racist-motivated mass-murder, ethnic cleansing, LAND THEFT, and genocide.
No.
For the rule of international law to prevail —and be SEEN to prevail — now is the time for a clear PUNISHMENT to be administered to:
i.) the perpetrators of these crimes, viz. ALL Israelis, their leadership, their soldiers, the citizens voting for it, encouraging it, cheering it on and supporting it;
ii.) the people worldwide who enabled it, supported it, armed it, defended it, justified, etc. That includes the governments of all countries who did this, and those in power and authority in the media.

My suggestion is that we all be scrutinised for what we did, wrote online and said. Those who supported tge ultimate crime of genocide should be arrested, tried and when convicted the punishment should be exile to some uninhabited desert region for a duration relevant to the extent of the support/complicity.
The mythology of ‘the Jewish State of Israel’ over this eight decades slow-genocide and ethnic-cleansing-by-stealth has been that predominantly Ashkenazi jewish settler-invaders made an uninhabited desert bloom by ingenuity and hard work.
So that would be a fitting punishment and exile.
Let’s see if they can do it for real. If they can, they will reclaim land lost to erosion. If they can’t they will serve their sentences in a justifiably ironic realisation of their deception.

Nevertheless, the events in Palestine have caused widespread criticism in different countries of the world. It is worth clarifying the terminology. "The purge failed" in this case means that "it has not been possible to completely clear this territory of Arabs since 1948" (and it will not be possible anymore).

You propose to collectively judge all Israelis, but not even all Palestinian liberation organizations agree with you.

Organizations that advocate democratic liberation, for example, assume that after the victory a secular state will be built, where all residents not involved in brutal war crimes will live as citizens with equal rights. And "total expulsion" was not really considered even by Gamal Abdel Nasser during the 1967 war, when Israel attacked Arab countries. The Iranian leadership of today does not consider it either.

It is also unclear what to do with Jews around the world who are not citizens of Israel. I mean, some Jews are against the IDF's actions in Palestine, and they are actively protesting. Should anti-Zionist Jews also be arrested, stripped of their rights, and deported, or is this only for Zionists?

The proposed punishment includes such a cruel measure as the mass expulsion of a huge group of people. Although what the IDF is doing in Israel is terrorizing the civilian population, what you are proposing falls under the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. After all, even the most brutal serial killers, like Ted Bundy, have the right to a lawyer and due process. At what point does an Israeli become guilty? The day he is born in occupied territory? The moment he starts paying taxes to Israel? All of this is a very vague definition. War crimes and violations of international law require the creation of a commission that would come to precise formulations to ensure justice for the victims and punishment for the perpetrators. So far I don't see who could create such a commission. The ICC, for example, issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, but since he enjoys the support of America and Europe, naturally he was not arrested.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Rather, the events of World War II, which were unfortunate for the Axis powers, created a unique opportunity for the Zionist leadership.

If what is happening in Palestine is a cleansing, then it has largely failed, in the sense that in 77 years the Arab population has not been displaced (and is unlikely to be displaced ever).

This statement is so far away from the reality of the facts that is either:
a.) delusional denial;
or
b.) deliberate zionist deception.

Now the question is, what will the Israeli elite do?

No, no.
I suggest a more important question for world peace and for the rule of law is what are the other nations of the world to do now. Genocide on this scale is the ultimate crime. So we have all been told for eight decades, anyway. So what are WE the people of the world going to do about THAT crime, one WE permitted to occur in OUR lifetimes?

In my opinion, the only objective solution would be a transition to a truly free society, but this would include the rejection of any ethnic or religious superiority, and the recognition of equal rights for all residents of this territory, regardless of nationality.

Either division into two fully independent states, or equality within one jurisdiction.

In other words you want to ‘reward’ the perpetrators of the WORST crimes of racist-motivated mass-murder, ethnic cleansing, LAND THEFT, and genocide.
No.
For the rule of international law to prevail —and be SEEN to prevail — now is the time for a clear PUNISHMENT to be administered to:
i.) the perpetrators of these crimes, viz. ALL Israelis, their leadership, their soldiers, the citizens voting for it, encouraging it, cheering it on and supporting it;
ii.) the people worldwide who enabled it, supported it, armed it, defended it, justified, etc. That includes the governments of all countries who did this, and those in power and authority in the media.

My suggestion is that we all be scrutinised for what we did, wrote online and said. Those who supported tge ultimate crime of genocide should be arrested, tried and when convicted the punishment should be exile to some uninhabited desert region for a duration relevant to the extent of the support/complicity.
The mythology of ‘the Jewish State of Israel’ over this eight decades slow-genocide and ethnic-cleansing-by-stealth has been that predominantly Ashkenazi jewish settler-invaders made an uninhabited desert bloom by ingenuity and hard work.
So that would be a fitting punishment and exile.
Let’s see if they can do it for real. If they can, they will reclaim land lost to erosion. If they can’t they will serve their sentences in a justifiably ironic realisation of their deception.

You propose to collectively judge all Israelis…

Not only them. All people who supported the genocide and assisted it in any way. Didn’t you get that?

It is also unclear what to do with Jews around the world who are not citizens of Israel. I mean, some Jews are against the IDF's actions in Palestine, and they are actively protesting. Should anti-Zionist Jews also be arrested, stripped of their rights, and deported, or is this only for Zionists?

Try re-reading my suggestion.
I made it clear that all should receive a fair trial to ascertain the degree of complicity and punished accordingly. That applies to everyone, not just jews or Israelis. Again why are you misrepresenting that?

Do you believe in the rule of law, or not?
Do you believe genocide is the ultimate crime and those complicit in it should receive a commensurate punishment?

The proposed punishment includes such a cruel measure as the mass expulsion of a huge group of people. Although what the IDF is doing in Israel is terrorizing the civilian population, what you are proposing falls under the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

No it doesn’t. Prison time is an acceptable punishment for murder. For so many guilty people a special type of prison will be required.

I deleted the rest of your reply as delusional or deceitful misrepresentation of reality and not in need of a considered reply.

[InuYasha]

Not only them. All people who supported the genocide and assisted it in any way. Didn’t you get that?

Yes, you are proposing to punish all those guilty to one degree or another of this crime.

Try re-reading my suggestion.
I made it clear that all should receive a fair trial to ascertain the degree of complicity and punished accordingly. That applies to everyone, not just jews or Israelis. Again why are you misrepresenting that?

Do you believe in the rule of law, or not?
Do you believe genocide is the ultimate crime and those complicit in it should receive a commensurate punishment?

Yes, I believe in law and the rule of law. Mass murder of people is always a terrible crime.

All criminals should be punished, especially those guilty of such a heinous crime as mass murder. Punishment should be based on the law, including the right to counsel, a jury, and due process, and all those charged with complicity in mass murder should be given the presumption of innocence. In other words, if there is a trial in court, everything should be done according to the rules. I.e. "You are innocent until proven guilty," and the proof must be "beyond a reasonable doubt," given the obvious gravity of the charge.

No it doesn’t. Prison time is an acceptable punishment for murder. For so many guilty people a special type of prison will be required.

Prison is a deserved punishment for murderers, and in some jurisdictions mass murder is punishable by death (though I personally am against the death penalty).

However, this was expressed in harsh terms. Again, there should be a presumption of innocence in a trial. Some Jewish kid growing up in Tel Aviv who never committed a crime will be found innocent if the trial is fair. Where are the (innocent) relatives or children of those found guilty of mass murder supposed to go?

I deleted the rest of your reply as delusional or deceitful misrepresentation of reality and not in need of a considered reply.

This is because you consider me some kind of Israeli shill. Fortunately, not all revisionists are like that, in any case, I have not encountered any emotional rejection from the texts of Jurgen Graf, Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson and other well-known authors, despite their obvious anti-Zionist position, they did not look hostile in my eyes at all. There must be a reason for this.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Not only them. All people who supported the genocide and assisted it in any way. Didn’t you get that?

Yes, you are proposing to punish all those guilty to one degree or another of this crime.

Try re-reading my suggestion.
I made it clear that all should receive a fair trial to ascertain the degree of complicity and punished accordingly. That applies to everyone, not just jews or Israelis. Again why are you misrepresenting that?

Do you believe in the rule of law, or not?
Do you believe genocide is the ultimate crime and those complicit in it should receive a commensurate punishment?

Yes, I believe in law and the rule of law. Mass murder of people is always a terrible crime.

All criminals should be punished, especially those guilty of such a heinous crime as mass murder.

Prison time is an acceptable punishment for murder. For so many guilty people a special type of prison will be required.

…Again, there should be a presumption of innocence… [strawman statements of undisputed fact removed]

I deleted the rest of your reply as delusional or deceitful misrepresentation of reality and not in need of a considered reply.

This is because you consider me some kind of Israeli shill.
…they [famous revisionists] did not look hostile in my eyes at all. There must be a reason for this.

The reason is “they” did not witness the increasingly wicked and cruel mass-murder that WE are now witnessing on a daily basis.
Plus…
There is nothing “hostile” about abhorring cruel, racist mass-murder, land-theft and ethnic cleansing over eight decades, is there?

Likewise why do you think it is “hostile” to abhor a wicked starvation and bombing policy, that is maiming and murdering predominantly women and children?

Why are you constantly trying to minimise the severity of this extremely wicked crime?

And finally… why are you attempting to deflect from the obvious guilt of Israeli society in this evil behaviour?

[borjastick]

The reason is “they” did not witness the increasingly wicked and cruel mass-murder that WE are now witnessing on a daily basis.
Plus…
There is nothing “hostile” about abhorring cruel, racist mass-murder, land-theft and ethnic cleansing over eight decades, is there?

Likewise why do you think it is “hostile” to abhor a wicked starvation and bombing policy, that is maiming and murdering predominantly women and children?

Why are you constantly trying to minimise the severity of this extremely wicked crime?

And finally… why are you attempting to deflect from the obvious guilt of Israeli society in this evil behaviour?

Well said matey.

The other thing that sprang to mind yesterday was the October 7th thingy.

There was a fairly hostile exchange on the TV yesterday afternoon about the issue of them calling it out as a special event and the strong pushing of the date it all started, 7th October, and the normal people of the world who see things differently, in as much as this date and the attack cannot be viewed in isolation. The point I make is that by allowing the zionist idiots to keep banging on about 7th October deliberately sets out to pretend that all was rosy in the garden before that date when we all know that it very much wasn't as the land theft maps shown above clearly demonstrate.

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[Wahrheitssucher]

I am Israel. I never miss a chance to claim victimhood while inflicting violence.

In 1947, the United Nations handed me more than half of someone else’s land. A gift I didn’t earn, from colonial powers who didn’t own it. I accepted. My neighbors objected. I called it war—and in the chaos, I began my cleansing. Over 700,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes—some fled, yes—but many were forced out at gunpoint, their villages razed, their names erased.

Then I planted pine trees over the ruins—to hide the memory. Forests where homes once stood. Parks over cemeteries. I made it green so the world wouldn’t see the black underneath. I called it “reforestation.” They called it erasure.

I am Israel. I have never chosen peace—only dominance.

In 1967, I launched a pre-emptive war and seized Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, and Sinai. I claimed it was for security. I held onto it for power. I built settlements, one by one, choking Palestinian towns. International law said it was illegal. I ignored it. My map grew. Their freedom shrank.

I am Israel. I could have ended the occupation. Many times. But I always said no.

In 2000, at Camp David, I offered a patchwork of disconnected enclaves surrounded by walls, checkpoints, and soldiers. I called it peace. Palestinians walked away. I called them extremists. Then I built a wall, not on my border—but deep in theirs. I called it security. They called it theft.

I am Israel. I glorify militarism. I raise children to believe they are chosen.

My textbooks erase Palestine. My soldiers patrol streets with rifles pointed at teenagers. My media justifies bombings. My politicians joke about flattening Gaza. I send airstrikes to refugee camps, schools, and hospitals. Then I say they were human shields.

I am Israel. I elected Netanyahu. Again and again.

Not once, by mistake. But knowingly. I voted for leaders who vowed to crush the Palestinians, to expand settlements, to never allow a Palestinian state. My ministers speak of “the Arabs” as a demographic threat. My settlers burn olive trees. My mobs chant “Death to Arabs.” I call it patriotism.

I am Israel. I speak of democracy—but deny it to millions under my control.

I rule over millions who cannot vote in the country that controls their lives. I build roads they cannot drive on. I issue permits for them to breathe, to move, to live. I bomb Gaza, then seal it off and say it’s their fault. I say I left Gaza—but I control its air, sea, and borders. I say they are free—then I starve them.

I am Israel. I demand recognition—but give none in return.

I demand that Palestinians accept me as a Jewish state—while refusing to even say the word “Nakba”.
I ignore the homes, lands, and history of those I displaced. I hold their keys in museums, not their hands. I deny the refugees their right to return. I make laws that call them ‘absentees’, even when they’re just over the hill.

I am Israel. I cry ‘antisemitism’ whenever I fear accountability.

I call any critic a hater. I blur the line between Judaism and Zionism, using one to shield the crimes of the other. I weaponize history to excuse apartheid. I manipulate trauma to justify conquest. I say “Never again”—but let it happen to others, by my own hand.

I am Israel. I will never be secure.

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FREE PALESTINE

[HansHill]

Living in the "desert" would be disastrous for an actual European, yes probably not so disastrous for semites. I think climate is relatively minor, and the actual problem would be living in such close proximity to their new neighbours. I'm reliably informed these neighbours hold a modern homicide rate that fluctuates between 3.5 and 5.5 per 100,000 (quadruple to quintuple that of Israelis and Europeans), with ethnic conflict rife. So yes, they would quite literally be walking into an actual Holocaust!

1. Depends which ‘desert’. There are suitable deserts in the USA.
Plus I am envisaging ‘prison cities’ that have secured boundaries which prevent escape AND prevent interaction with neighbouring societies.

2. Ashkenazis are NOT ‘semites’.

If they aren't semites, then why am i antisemitic?

[borjastick]

Living in the "desert" would be disastrous for an actual European, yes probably not so disastrous for semites. I think climate is relatively minor, and the actual problem would be living in such close proximity to their new neighbours. I'm reliably informed these neighbours hold a modern homicide rate that fluctuates between 3.5 and 5.5 per 100,000 (quadruple to quintuple that of Israelis and Europeans), with ethnic conflict rife. So yes, they would quite literally be walking into an actual Holocaust!

1. Depends which ‘desert’. There are suitable deserts in the USA.
Plus I am envisaging ‘prison cities’ that have secured boundaries which prevent escape AND prevent interaction with neighbouring societies.

2. Ashkenazis are NOT ‘semites’.

If they aren't semites, then why am i antisemitic?

Because it is a universally enforced trope that jews are jews are jews. They are not and the anti-semitic banner is a convenient way of corralling us and labeling us. It matters not today but if the world understood that ashkenazis have no connection at all, except for some slight tar brush effect a thousand years ago, to the holy land and ancient israelites then the veil would slip and we would all see these horrible people for what they are.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Living in the "desert" would be disastrous for an actual European, yes probably not so disastrous for semites.

1. Depends which ‘desert’. There are suitable deserts in the USA.
Plus I am envisaging ‘prison cities’ that have secured boundaries which prevent escape AND prevent interaction with neighbouring societies.

2. Ashkenazis are NOT ‘semites’.

If they aren't semites, then why am i antisemitic?

You aren’t.

If you believe you are that is ONLY because you have believed the currently prevalent ashkenazi deception/self-delusion.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Video showing a non-Jewish, British-Israeli journalist who used to live in Nazareth, explaining how European jews ethnically-cleansed the land they stole and made it almost impossible for the indigenous Palestinian inhabitants to assert their legal right to return home in the future:



Jonathan Cook is from Buckinghamshire, England, UK.
He has a B.A. (Hons) in Philosophy and Politics from Southampton University, a postgraduate diploma in journalism from Cardiff University, and an M.A. in Middle Eastern studies from the School of Oriental and African Studies in 2000.

Jonathan has Israeli citizenship through marriage to his Israeli Arab wife, Sally Azzam. The couple met in Nazareth where they lived with their two daughters for several years before moving to the UK

[borjastick]

A couple of points I think may be of interest.

Firstly if people haven't read this book I highly recommend it. The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garoudy.

Secondly I wonder if people would agree that the holocaust is manipulated over and over again by israel as a get out of jail free card. Gaza's current situation is the perfect case in point.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Charles Manson talks about Jews, their obession with WW2, how they manipulate using fear, and how WW2-narratives are a huge fear-generator and thus money-earner for them:

[Wahrheitssucher]

We are NOW witnessing the complete break-down, disregard and subversion of the rules-based-order.
This is a totally unique situation in the known history of humanity.

The international, rules-based-order took generations to construct. And it has been demolished within a decade.

Q. And the culprit?
A. Israel and what can only be called ‘international JEWRY’.

Jews DEFINITELY DO control our main-stream-media and our politicians. Worldwide!

The countries they do not yet control they have been slowly taking out: first Iraq, then Libya, then Syria and now Iran.

Donald ‘trust me’ Trump, Joe ‘brain-dead’ Biden and Kamala ‘kid-killer, holocaust’ Harris were all Jew-controlled presidential candidates. Cliques of wealthy jews DO control all the main, contending political parties in all the wealthiest countries in the West. No intelligent, honest, well-informed person can now deny it.

The same level of control applies in all the wealthiest European countries. European President Ursula von der ‘liar’ Leyen is quite open about it. She even said this:



And ALL this world-wide control is protected from exposure and confrontation by the catch-all ‘anti-semite’ smear which is falsely applied to anyone who dares to mention this inordinate, unrepresentative, undemocratic, nepotist, corrupt, jewish dominance.

Q. How has that been possible?
A. Because of the world-wide indoctrination into the anti-German, racist, traumatising, mind-manipulating, quasi-religious, pseudo-historical, necro-pornographic holocaust mythology. What the son of two ‘holocaust survivors’ Prof Norman Finkelstein called ‘the holocaust industry’.



The situation in occupied Palestine would never have descended to this wicked, abrogation and disregard of international law if it were not for the ‘holocaust’ narrative of the supposedly ‘entirely innocent, eternally suffering jew’ who must forevermore be protected.

Well now we can all see where subservience to this distortion of history has taken us.

And all the gullible dimwits promoting this fake ‘never forget — never again’ travesty of truth are complicit in the immense death, suffering and destruction we are all witnessing. Suffering and destruction which seems all set to increase and spread.

The Israeli regime is now attacking Iran, in a blatant act of aggression. The world must unite to isolate and contain the Israeli regime, which, drunk with US-guaranteed impunity, armed to the teeth by the West, and driven by a deeply racist and fundamentally violent ideology, is leaving a blood-soaked trail of genocide, occupation, aggression, and destruction across the region. The Israeli apartheid regime must be stopped before it drags the entire world into darkness.

[borjastick]

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An essential and very interesting read for those who want the skinny on the truth about jews and how the very building blocks of the jewish state are full of rot and intrigue. So much so that it is clear jews hate other jews to the point where in the late thirties as they planned their holocaust the zionist loons were quite happy to establish israel as an apartheid and racist state not only against the local Palestinians but also against other jews in europe. This book is highly recommended by my good self though when I bought it the price was nearly prohibitive.

Whereas the Bishop of Rome is indeed the Catholic leader of the church, israel believes that it represents world jewry and is the centre of the judaic faith. It does not and is not. Quite clearly the holocaust was the final stepping stone towards the state of israel being established but for many jews in senior posotions they didn't want every jew there, oh no, they only wanted those who could contribute. The others could die in the fucking gutter for all they cared.

[Wahrheitssucher]

We are NOW witnessing the complete break-down, disregard and subversion of the rules-based-order.
This is a totally unique situation in the known history of humanity.

The international, rules-based-order took generations to construct. And it has been demolished within a decade.

Q. And the culprit?
A. Israel and what can only be called ‘international JEWRY’.

Jews DEFINITELY DO control our main-stream-media and our politicians. Worldwide!

The countries they do not yet control they have been slowly taking out: first Iraq, then Libya, then Syria and now Iran.

Donald ‘trust me’ Trump, Joe ‘brain-dead’ Biden and Kamala ‘kid-killer, holocaust’ Harris were all Jew-controlled presidential candidates. Cliques of wealthy jews DO control all the main, contending political parties in all the wealthiest countries in the West. No intelligent, honest, well-informed person can now deny it.

The same level of control applies in all the wealthiest European countries. European President Ursula von der ‘liar’ Leyen is quite open about it. She even said this:



And ALL this world-wide control is protected from exposure and confrontation by the catch-all ‘anti-semite’ smear which is falsely applied to anyone who dares to mention this inordinate, unrepresentative, undemocratic, nepotist, corrupt, jewish dominance.

Q. How has that been possible?
A. Because of the world-wide indoctrination into the anti-German, racist, traumatising, mind-manipulating, quasi-religious, pseudo-historical, necro-pornographic holocaust mythology. What the son of two ‘holocaust survivors’ Prof Norman Finkelstein called ‘the holocaust industry’.



The situation in occupied Palestine would never have descended to this wicked, abrogation and disregard of international law if it were not for the ‘holocaust’ narrative of the supposedly ‘entirely innocent, eternally suffering jew’ who must forevermore be protected.

Well now we can all see where subservience to this distortion of history has taken us.

And all the gullible dimwits promoting this fake ‘never forget — never again’ travesty of truth are complicit in the immense death, suffering and destruction we are all witnessing. Suffering and destruction which seems all set to increase and spread.

The Israeli regime is now attacking Iran, in a blatant act of aggression. The world must unite to isolate and contain the Israeli regime, which, drunk with US-guaranteed impunity, armed to the teeth by the West, and driven by a deeply racist and fundamentally violent ideology, is leaving a blood-soaked trail of genocide, occupation, aggression, and destruction across the region. The Israeli apartheid regime must be stopped before it drags the entire world into darkness.

Regarding this from above: "Jews DEFINITELY DO control our main-stream-media and our politicians. Worldwide! The countries they do not yet control they have been slowly taking out: first Iraq, then Libya, then Syria and now Iran":
I presume everyone has seen and remembers this admission by General Wesley Clarke.



In an article examining that extraordinary admission, Salon in 2007 wrote this:

"The existence of that classified memo would certainly cast more dubious light not only on the original decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam Hussein's weapons and ambitions but on the current efforts to justify and even instigate military action against Iran".
https://www.salon.com/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/

The "senior general" who told him all that in September and October of 2001, said he didn't know WHY the decision had been made.
His confession was obviously because he couldn't see any benefit to America.
Well... duh! Yeah, because there is no benefit to America.

That some high-up general in the Pentagon couldn't work out cui bono? (who benefits?), tells us just how brain-washed and gullible even highly educated Americans are.