How did the Nazis keep getting people to go into the gas chambers?

[TlsMS93]

It seems the party line is that maybe 1.5 million of the Holocaust victims were children, implying the rest were adults. This cope of yours about how they were all babies (which you also invoke to help you resolve forensic difficulties) is not consistent with the Jewish population characteristics, nor does it make sense to assume any significant fraction of Jews were spared. There were a few million adult men and you need to account for how they were killed as well. If you assume they spared millions of men from the gas chambers the numbers aren't going to work out. In order to kill 6 million Jews, the Germans would have had to have killed basically ALL of the Jews in Poland plus a couple million more in other countries. That isn't possible if you are sparing a huge fraction of the population.

Furthermore, even if you had a particular batch that was too feeble to resist successfully, it would still be unusual if they registered, reported for deportations, got on the trains, and marched into the gas chambers like lambs, all while KNOWING they were to be gassed. Hence we must assume they did not know. But that raises even more questions.

It is also strange that a key part of the story is that JEWS THEMSELVES are said to have be collaborators in the extermination, guiding their fellow Jews into the gas chambers.

I once read somewhere that the Nazis exterminated 3 million men, 2 million women and 1 million children. Even in this case, the number is cabalistic. So 5 of the 6 would have had a chance to organize some kind of resistance to the deportations or create some chaos in the camps, but they were sent like cattle to the slaughterhouse? Citing the Warsaw ghetto uprising doesn't seem to help, since that was yet another initiative by the Germans to put an end to years of black market labor and neglect in contributing in some way to the workforce.

[bombsaway]

This cope of yours about how they were all babies

It is also strange that a key part of the story is that JEWS THEMSELVES are said to have be collaborators in the extermination, guiding their fellow Jews into the gas chambers.

Can you read? I said, elderly, sick - as well. The Jews slated for killing Auschwitz were those considered non-employable which means substandard physically. About a third of those incoming on transports were utilized for labor, according to Nazi documents.

Is Jewish collaboration in their own destruction a strange, hard to believe part of the story? Of course that begs the question of why they would willingly add this critical detail to the narrative. Naturally you believe the Jews to be intrinsically perverse, so how surprising is it for you really?

[TlsMS93]

So 3 million Jews passed through Auschwitz? So they employed 2 million Jews? Where? Or were there selections in their countries of origin? Where would these millions have come from if those from the General Government had gone to the Reinhardt camps? Were all the children unfit? Were the women too? There are cases in both scenarios where this is refuted.

It is clear that the selections had another purpose, such as separating camps by gender, race, area of ​​the camp, separating the sick from the healthy, but they needed a case to create precedents in international law and gaps in crimes such as genocide that did not exist. The Germans were the ideal target, they were defeated to submission, there was too much chaos to worry about defending themselves from narratives of atrocities, so it was easy to sustain all this.

[bombsaway]

So 3 million Jews passed through Auschwitz? So they employed 2 million Jews? Where? Or were there selections in their countries of origin? Where would these millions have come from if those from the General Government had gone to the Reinhardt camps? Were all the children unfit? Were the women too? There are cases in both scenarios where this is refuted.

It is clear that the selections had another purpose, such as separating camps by gender, race, area of ​​the camp, separating the sick from the healthy, but they needed a case to create precedents in international law and gaps in crimes such as genocide that did not exist. The Germans were the ideal target, they were defeated to submission, there was too much chaos to worry about defending themselves from narratives of atrocities, so it was easy to sustain all this.

That's a nice story there.

1/3rd were kept for work. You're arguing against German documents.

Of the 1,3 million deported sent to Auschwitz by Hitler’s Nazi regime, barely 400,000 were registered and imprisoned in the compound. The other 900,000 were gassed and cremated in incineration ovens or burning pits within hours after their train’s arrival. https://auschwitz.net/the-victims/

[Nessie]

3) Jews themselves were unaware to the extermination plan throughout the war and continued to fall for the fake shower trick for over three years. This would imply that although the Zionist orgs "knew" in 1942, they were unable to inform their own people. This includes the Hungarian Jews in 1944.

That, in part, explains how the Nazis were able to get Hungarian and other Jews to enter the Kremas, in 1944, thinking they were going for a shower. Not all were aware, or they were aware but thought it was just rumour. The other part of the explanation is Nazi planning. Tired, hungry, disorientated people arrive on packed trains, to be greeted by armed guards, dogs, in a huge camp, where fellow Jews told them they were going to be showered.

So... if I am hearing abundant rumors of gas-showers, and I'm in a big line of thousands of people, and there's a big smelly furnace where Jews going in clearly are not coming out, I'm going to just chill there (for hours or days, plenty of time to think about it) because there's dogs and 3-4 guards? And not just at a single instance but over and over again, thousands upon thousands with no resistance?

Your constant misrepresentation is why you fall for your own lies. You express incredulity at witness claims about incredible violence and cruelty towards Jews in the lines for the selections and gas chambers, especially the killing of children and then you flip to expressing incredulity about a calm line. You under represent how many guards there were at the camp and you miss out that the people lining up for "showers" were naked, and many were elderly, women and children. Even the men were exhausted, starved and dehydrated from the journey.

Your fantasy versions help you to sustain your disbelief, as you have NO EVIDENCE!!!

It seems Archie is pointing out the stark disparity of the alleged increasing certainty of "six million" when, simultaneously, Jews in general were able to be fooled by the many thousands at a time, without even the slightest modicum of resistance. This is despite it being well-known that information traveled very effectively through Jewish and communist networks, once "exposed". There is every reason to believe Jews would have not just vague, nebulous rumors but detailed descriptions of whatever had made it out by that time.

Seems a little strange, no?

Have you any EVIDENCE that fears expressed by a Jewish group in the USA, reached rural Hungarian Jews, in May 1944, as the transports to A-B began?

And did all their fellow Jews tell them, "you're just gonna be showered"? None ever whispered, "it's a trick, fight back!"? It certainly doesn't seem so, given the missing records of massive staffing of German guards and corresponding incident reports for subduing such resistance efforts.

I dunno, Nessie. It's hard to buy what you're selling here. Just sayin'.

Fight back, with what? You are back to relying on your incredulity. You cannot believe it so, therefore it did not happen. How many times do you need to be reminded that is a logical fallacy?

[Nazgul]

you miss out that the people lining up for "showers" were naked, and many were elderly, women and children. Even the men were exhausted, starved and dehydrated from the journey.

Some Birkenau Jews. I see he is starved. Perhaps he was saved for >>>soap?

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[TlsMS93]

A camp where medical and nutritional care is recorded to increase work capacity would not have to select anyone for death; everyone would be fit, except for children, and not all children would be unfit, as Anne Frank and her sister proved. So registering 400,000 does not prove the death of 900,000; most Hungarian Jews were sent to other camps.

Without cremation capacity, there would be no Holocaust; there would be no holes in the reinforced concrete roof, there would be no Holocaust; there would be no repairs to the refractory masonry, there would be no Holocaust; there would be no adequate delivery of coal, there would be no Holocaust.

If there were a Nazi document declaring the whereabouts of Jews in the Far East, would they accept it? I find it funny that exterminationists demand a Nazi document as if they believed in it; they only believe in gaps and in distorting what the document does not say.

[Nazgul]

they only believe in gaps and in distorting what the document does not say.

This is true, which I refer to as the "Shoah of the gaps", where what is unknown or ignored is proof of the holocaust. <<<Where did they go, is an example of this. Back on topic, to get several thousand Jews into say LkII, could not be done by military people, getting people through a narrow door, making a right turn into another narrow door walk to the back of the room and wait, all lined up like sardines.

[Nessie]

A camp where medical and nutritional care is recorded to increase work capacity would not have to select anyone for death; everyone would be fit, except for children, and not all children would be unfit, as Anne Frank and her sister proved.

Selections were based not just on fitness to work, but how many workers were needed. If the workers were surviving, why was the camp's population lower in 1944, than it had been in 1943?

So registering 400,000 does not prove the death of 900,000; most Hungarian Jews were sent to other camps.

No one said it does. You cannot evidence and prove the majority of Hungarian Jews were sent to other camps.

Without cremation capacity, there would be no Holocaust; there would be no holes in the reinforced concrete roof, there would be no Holocaust; there would be no repairs to the refractory masonry, there would be no Holocaust; there would be no adequate delivery of coal, there would be no Holocaust.

Which still leaves you with the problem of not being able to evidence and prove what did happen inside the Kremas 1943-4.

If there were a Nazi document declaring the whereabouts of Jews in the Far East, would they accept it? I find it funny that exterminationists demand a Nazi document as if they believed in it; they only believe in gaps and in distorting what the document does not say.

If you could produce evidence, such as a document recording how many Jews were in camps in 1944, and it said millions, then you would have something to disprove the Holocaust.

[Nazgul]

If the workers were surviving, why was the camp's population lower in 1944, than it had been in 1943?

It has been calculated that the natural attrition rate of Jews was the same as the Phillipines in the 70s. This was 0.00632%. People do die of old age and disease, especially Jews who have a large list of congenital defects with no medicine or care to assist. Collateral damage.

[TlsMS93]

The German camps had a capacity limit, so there was no reason to increase them from one year to the next. If it is true that there were typhus epidemics in the camps, it is conceivable that the population would fall since people would die and there would be no mass deportation of people there. AB also functioned as transit camps for people from Western Europe, there would be no reason to register people who were not going to stay in the camp.

[Waldgänger]

It is also strange that a key part of the story is that JEWS THEMSELVES are said to have be collaborators in the extermination, guiding their fellow Jews into the gas chambers.

I don't have much to add to this thread, but I must say that - along with the farcical "like sheep to the slaughter" claim - this was one of the key revelations that started me seriously questioning the stories that act as foundation to the propaganda. I know from experience and common sense that human beings do not act like this.

The most rational, parsimonious conclusion to draw from sincere eyewitnesses, camp gossip, and the facts of the matter is simply that a lot of people were disinfested and sent to smaller camps, died of other causes later on, changed their names, left for Israel, and other possibilities.

To create the story we all know, the kremas were confused with the zentralsauna in propaganda (both purposefully and accidentally).

[Callafangers]

It seems the party line is that maybe 1.5 million of the Holocaust victims were children, implying the rest were adults. This cope of yours about how they were all babies (which you also invoke to help you resolve forensic difficulties) is not consistent with the Jewish population characteristics, nor does it make sense to assume any significant fraction of Jews were spared. There were a few million adult men and you need to account for how they were killed as well.

The presence of children is a point for revisionists. Nobody is claiming the children were going to take up arms and fight off Nazis... but what does happen when adults fear childrens' lives are at stake is that the adults -- of whatever age -- feel more inclined to put their lives on the line to defend the young ones. This is Tribal Psychology 101. Do you think these Jews, who "knew" of gas chambers, would be sitting for hours or days staring at a single German guard for every thousand Jews, see his gun in hand, and not bother to swarm him, take his weapon and make a run for it? Where are the reports for these incidences? Why so little staffing of German guards for what should have been constant, life-or-death riots?

Also consider the Hungarian Jews: they were relatively healthy, strong, fit. Any claim of feebleness as the reason for zero resistance is diminished by these alleged 'exterminations'.

Nessie wants us to believe Jews were perpetual lemmings, just walking cluelessly into death chambers like brainless cattle, over and over again. This is absolutely a "world-first", certainly at this alleged scale of upwards some 1,000-to-1 prisoner-to-guard ratio.

Pause and just think about that ratio for a moment -- a thousand people? Even if all elderly grandmas, they 100% know they have the power to swarm and overthrow this single guard (or even two or three of them). To think they would have their favorite grandchild at their side and not ever attempt this while walking into corpse-chimney-gas-chambers is asinine.

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