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Re: Forensic Chemistry

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ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 11:54 pm A random, poorly run website is making pretty out there claims without providing any evidence. Does that make it definitely false, no, but also not remotely credible.
"Random poorly run website"

https://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__an-officia ... -chambers/

Here is the same article on Unz.com which I know you are familiar with, because you opened your account on Codoh talking about it.

"Without providing evidence"

What? There is a letter from Markiewicz confirming the leak. Are you arguing it.... wasn't leaked? I don't know where you are going with this. If you think Markiewicz published it before the IHR leak in 1990.... good luck I guess?

I'm really concerned about the cyanide residue (non trace amounts) found in the gas chambers. Nobody can concisely or clearly or compellingly explain to me how that got there without there being the deployment of homicidal cyanide.
HansHill wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 11:29 am I look forward to seeing this question again tomorrow after you ignore this.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 6:13 pm I'm not sure why it keeps making that mistake and ChatGPT annoyingly denies it but it's not that big of a deal.
Maybe stop using a LLM when you should be using your brain.

Its laughable, actually, to expect someone who's always using AI to have any critical thinking skill, especially when it comes to a topic like the 'holocaust'.
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Callafangers wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 4:23 am
ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:59 am
The idea that all buildings were routinely fumigated simply because they could harbor lice is not a conclusion supported by documentation—especially not in the case of morgues, particularly Leichenkeller 1 and 2 in Crematoria II and III. Morgues were not regularly inhabited by living people.
What in the fuck is this? No one disputes the Sonderkommando worked at the building we are debating about (morgue vs. 'gas chamber'). That means people regularly worked in and inhabited this facility. ChatGPT keeps failing you.
Why did the Sonderkommando even exist to work at a "morgue"?

Who gave them that name?

Why were they called "special unit"?

What is the deal with the Auschwitz Scrolls?

Why did 100% of the testimonies (living and written) from the Sonderkommando testify to the existence and operations of the gas chambers?

ChatGPT is not failing me...
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HansHill wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 10:16 am https://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__an-officia ... -chambers/

Here is the same article on Unz.com which I know you are familiar with, because you opened your account on Codoh talking about it.
I don't think Unz is a credible website either. I don't remember positing about it but I have seen it before.
"Without providing evidence"

What? There is a letter from Markiewicz confirming the leak. Are you arguing it.... wasn't leaked? I don't know where you are going with this. If you think Markiewicz published it before the IHR leak in 1990.... good luck I guess?
Where is this supposed letter? I haven't seen any evidence of this but I'm open to updating my belief if you provide me with credible evidence.
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Re: Forensic Chemistry

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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pm
Callafangers wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 4:23 am
ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:59 am
The idea that all buildings were routinely fumigated simply because they could harbor lice is not a conclusion supported by documentation—especially not in the case of morgues, particularly Leichenkeller 1 and 2 in Crematoria II and III. Morgues were not regularly inhabited by living people.
What in the fuck is this? No one disputes the Sonderkommando worked at the building we are debating about (morgue vs. 'gas chamber'). That means people regularly worked in and inhabited this facility. ChatGPT keeps failing you.
Why did the Sonderkommando even exist to work at a "morgue"?
To take care of disease infected corpses after epidemics.
This has been explained multiple times to you by numerous CODOH members. You have a comprehension disability or an honesty deficit.

ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pm Who gave them that name?
Who do you think? Take a guess. (Hint that is a title given in the German language) :roll:

ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pmWhy were they called "special unit"?
Because their duty was any unplanned, ’special’ tasks that had no designated unit. E.g. disposing of diseased corpses from an unplanned epidemic. :roll: :?

ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pm What is the deal with the Auschwitz Scrolls?
Don’t know. What is the deal? Do tell.

ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pmWhy did 100% of the testimonies (living and written) from the Sonderkommando testify to the existence and operations of the gas chambers?
Vengeful jews wanting revenge conformed to the emerging atrocity propaganda. But they made many mistakes and talked much physically impossible rubbish.
Honest, erudite people know this.
True-believers are in denial about this.

ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pmChatGPT is not failing me...
Correct. You are doing that yourself. :)
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:03 pm
HansHill wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 10:16 am https://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__an-officia ... -chambers/

Here is the same article on Unz.com which I know you are familiar with, because you opened your account on Codoh talking about it.
I don't think Unz is a credible website either. I don't remember positing about it but I have seen it before.
"Without providing evidence"

What? There is a letter from Markiewicz confirming the leak. Are you arguing it.... wasn't leaked? I don't know where you are going with this. If you think Markiewicz published it before the IHR leak in 1990.... good luck I guess?
Where is this supposed letter? I haven't seen any evidence of this but I'm open to updating my belief if you provide me with credible evidence.
:lol:

>Gets caught in another hallucination
>Gets shown evidence to the contrary
>Doesn't bother to read it
>"What evidence"?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is this going well for you Confused Jew? :lol:
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pm
Why did the Sonderkommando even exist to work at a "morgue"?
They existed to work at a Crematoria and a morgue.
ConfusedJew wrote:Who gave them that name?
Who named the many other [non-genocidal] 'Sonder' titles, units, initiatives, etc.?
ConfusedJew wrote:Why were they called "special unit"?
Because sensitive matters were treated with special distinction, discretion, etc.
ConfusedJew wrote:What is the deal with the Auschwitz Scrolls?
You have been utterly spanked, abused, etc. on this matter, shown here:

Re: 'Auschwitz Scrolls'
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ConfusedJew wrote:Why did 100% of the testimonies (living and written) from the Sonderkommando testify to the existence and operations of the gas chambers?
Because people who are not lying about gas chambers have no reason to write about them.
ConfusedJew wrote:ChatGPT is not failing me...
LOL, not at all! You're doing great, champ, keep it up. 8-)
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:58 pm Why did 100% of the testimonies (living and written) from the Sonderkommando testify to the existence and operations of the gas chambers?
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The responses on the Auschwitz Scrolls were very off point and didn't delegitimize them. I remember that aspect of the discussion.

There were dozens of Sonderkommandos who testified and not all that many survived because most were killed. How is it possible that all of their lies were the same, corresponded to the Auschwitz Scrolls, and Nazi testimony? That would require truly remarkable coordination and I don't see any motive or logistical possibility in doing that.

Why didn't any survivors who were clearly in the camps, with tattoos, come out and say that what they experienced was very different than what was described by all of the historical evidence?

Why would it be sensitive to work in a "morgue"?

At this point, I'm still a bit amused with your creative excuses but it's getting ridiculous to me.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:27 pm At this point, I'm still a bit amused with your creative excuses but it's getting ridiculous to me.
Seems like you would prefer to discuss these topics on a pro-holocaust forum, if anything. Think about it - wouldn't you prefer to talk with like-minded people about how real and awful the whole thing was?
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HansHill wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 1:37 pm :lol:

>Gets caught in another hallucination
>Gets shown evidence to the contrary
>Doesn't bother to read it
>"What evidence"?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is this going well for you Confused Jew? :lol:
I looked at this more closely and I think I see what you are saying. They did an internal investigation in 1990, 45 years after the gassings took place, and found statistically insignificant amounts of cyanide in various places.

They later were able to find degrees of cyanide and didn't want to release that analysis because they thought people would misinterpret it, intentionally or otherwise. That kind of thing happens in scientific publishing all the time. Sometimes to hide information but other times to avoid distracting people. Average people are not always capable of gathering and weighing all the information themselves.

I can look into this more closely. There are definitely good reasons why insignificant levels may have shown up on those tests that have nothing to do with whether or not homicidal gassings took place.

I'll look at the sensitivity and methods of the tests but first will you at least answer these questions:

Do you agree that homicidal gassings could have occurred in that room and there would be zero traces of cyanide after the chemicals degraded?

How much cyanide would you expect to find in a homicidal gas chamber and how long would you expect it to last?

Do you think Prussian Blue would have definitely formed in a homicidal gas chamber? Why or why not?

Even if there were small amounts of cyanide present in the room, decades later, do you think it's possible that a measurement might not have been sensitive enough to pick it up or may have looked in the wrong physical location for them?

Feel free to use AI to help you, I clearly don't mind. I've already gone through over 1,000 pages worth of material to understand this issue so it's really not intellectually honest to criticize me for using AI to help with it. Get over the fact that I might miss stuff or there might be some errors.
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HansHill wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:35 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:27 pm At this point, I'm still a bit amused with your creative excuses but it's getting ridiculous to me.
Seems like you would prefer to discuss these topics on a pro-holocaust forum, if anything. Think about it - wouldn't you prefer to talk with like-minded people about how real and awful the whole thing was?
No, to be honest, I would still rather be here even though it's ridiculous.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:42 pm
I looked at this more closely and I think I see what you are saying.....

....I can look into this more closely.....
But earlier you were presented with the evidence twice, rejected it out of hand both times, and come back to call us ridiculous?

I'll look at the sensitivity and methods of the tests but first will you at least answer these questions:

Do you agree that homicidal gassings could have occurred in that room and there would be zero traces of cyanide after the chemicals degraded?
Hypothetically yes, they could have. For this to happen, it would need to be demonstrated what the negating factor was. This shouldn't be difficult for someone on the Orthodox side to do.
How much cyanide would you expect to find in a homicidal gas chamber and how long would you expect it to last?
All current and known models of the kinetics & chemistry involved, predict levels in the same order of magnitude as is present in non-homicidal gas chambers made from the same materials. We argue it should be equal or slightly higher given the excess moisture caused by condensation from victims breathing. That is the best working model we currently have and it has survived against all known tests and rigours.
Do you think Prussian Blue would have definitely formed in a homicidal gas chamber? Why or why not?
Again like above, according to the best known models of the kinetics and chemistry involved, yes it's formation is predicted under the conditions claimed. Its absence, while theoretically possible, would need to have been explained rigourously by now - and unfortunately its too late because people like you have made it illegal for the best minds to do so.
Even if there were small amounts of cyanide present in the room, decades later, do you think it's possible that a measurement might not have been sensitive enough to pick it up or may have looked in the wrong physical location for them?
Yes anything is possible, which is why it's important to build redundancy into studies like this. Both Leuchter and Rudolf built redundancy into their analyses with double blind testing of samples by separate independent institutes who each didn't know about the other, and vice versa.

Feel free to use AI to help you, I clearly don't mind. I've already gone through over 1,000 pages worth of material to understand this issue so it's really not intellectually honest to criticize me for using AI to help with it. Get over the fact that I might miss stuff or there might be some errors.
I don't need AI confused jew, in fact AI would be detrimental to my arguments because it will produce slop. I've been doing this some years, people like Callafangers, Nazgul, Hektor and Scott for decades, Archie and others are somewhat similar around a decade. Everything I answered you above was from my own brain and sometimes quick glances to material by my side. This means sometimes I can be wrong, but if i am wrong, then I am wrong and not an AI machine. It feels liberating, you should try it.
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HansHill wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 8:05 pm
But earlier you were presented with the evidence twice, rejected it out of hand both times, and come back to call us ridiculous?
I'm allowed to make mistakes, also you didn't explain it very well. I wouldn't call it a cover up exactly, but more of a PR issue.
Hypothetically yes, they could have. For this to happen, it would need to be demonstrated what the negating factor was. This shouldn't be difficult for someone on the Orthodox side to do.
I will look at this but even if there was no residual traces, it doesn't prove that cyanide was never used.
All current and known models of the kinetics & chemistry involved, predict levels in the same order of magnitude as is present in non-homicidal gas chambers made from the same materials. We argue it should be equal or slightly higher given the excess moisture caused by condensation from victims breathing. That is the best working model we currently have and it has survived against all known tests and rigours.
OK, I disagree with this but I will study up on this and get back to you.
Again like above, according to the best known models of the kinetics and chemistry involved, yes it's formation is predicted under the conditions claimed. Its absence, while theoretically possible, would need to have been explained rigourously by now - and unfortunately it's too late because people like you have made it illegal for the best minds to do so.
I similarly disagree with this and we haven't gone to the end of this debate so we can zoom in on it.
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Re: Forensic Chemistry

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ConfusedJew wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 8:32 pm I wouldn't call it a cover up exactly, but more of a PR issue.
He didn't say it was a cover up!! Your AI hallucinated that. Here is what Archie said:
Archie wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 7:02 pm This has been replicated several times. The Polish chemists presumably replicated it as well but refused to publish it for obvious reasons.
This is true. Your AI then hallucinated this:
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 9:16 pm Claims of suppressed results are baseless
Your AI was wrong, and Archie was right.
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