Greg Gerdes - PROVES - the orthodox holocaust story is a lie

[Keen]

Nessie, eyewitness evidence alone is never enough for a conviction.

You need a body.

You say you know where the bodies are, but, no independent investigation was ever done.

You've got a blood libel against Germany.

After all, jews confessed to murdering the child saints. What 100% of them lied? Why would the perpetrators lie Nessie?

So here is an example of where people need to hold Nessies feet to the fire. Nessie has made the following allegation:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven.

By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

So Nessie has told yet another massive lie. By asking it other questions, it get's let off the hook and then it will tell another lie - and another and another and another - ad nauseam.

Please don't ask it any more questions or interacty with it unless and until it tells us the answer to this question:

Nessie, of the 100 alleged "scientifically proven huge mass graves" of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, how many have actually been proven to exist, currently contain at least an iota of human remains and that you can literally point to.

To let it off the hook is to let it go from thread to thread spreading its lies.

If you are sick and tired of Nessie's lies, then you have to hold it's feet to the fire.

[Keen]

Here is the example:

Nessie, eyewitness evidence alone is never enough for a conviction.

It can be, when there are a lot of eyewitnesses and the accused admits to the crime, even murder.

You need a body.

Murder convictions have happened without a body.

You say you know where the bodies are, but, no independent investigation was ever done.

In your opinion. Numerous archaeologists, from multiple different countries, Poland, the UK & the Netherlands, have conducted site surveys and found large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains. You would never accept an investigation as independent, if it produces results you do not want to accept.

You've got a blood libel against Germany.

I have German relatives, I got engaged there, a best friend lives there and it is the country I have visited the most times.

After all, jews confessed to murdering the child saints. What 100% of them lied? Why would the perpetrators lie Nessie?

According to you 100% of the eyewitnesses, whether German, Ukrainian, French, Polish, Hungarian, Greek or Slovakian all lied. You cannot trace a single eyewitness who you say told the truth.

Nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven.

By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

Nessie, of the 100 alleged "scientifically proven huge mass graves" of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, how many have actually been proven to exist, currently contain at least an iota of human remains and that you can literally point to.

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[Keen]

Keen, I appreciate your vigor, you Sir are a 'Honey Badger'. I also commend you on your award granted by Mr Hill.

Further, I thank you for your encouragement to reevaluate the evidence. You are correct and so is Mr Gerdes. Mass graves are most certainly not proven.

Thank you very much. And appreciate your honesty and integrity. If only more people on this site had what you have, Nessie would not be allowed to spew lie after lie after lie. It's mind boggling to me how people here don't hold Nessie's feet to the fire.

It's just so tiresome Keen...

Yes it is. But it can be stopped. Everyone know's it's a lying coward. One just needs to stop feeding the troll.

[Stubble]

I'm trying boss.

[Keen]

An improvement:

Nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven.

By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

Nessie, of the 100 alleged "scientifically proven huge mass graves" of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, how many have actually been proven to exist, currently contain at least an iota of human remains and that you can literally point to.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

Please submit your answer here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=421

[Nessie]

What did Rudolf Hess say about it? And for his mission of peace, what was he given as punishment?

You think that guy was 'guilty of waging aggressive war' Nessie?

You've got people with a gun to their head that said whatever they thought prosecutors wanted to hear.

The majority of Nazis were tried in West and unified German courts, by German prosecutors, with no evidence of coercion. The vast majority of Nazis in South America were never tried. None of them came forward to say what really happened and evidence millions of Jews still alive in 1944-5.

People died during ww2. Some of those people were jewsih. Some of those jewish people are buried at places that are unmarked. That is unfortunate.

They weren't mass murdered in gas chambers and there aren't almost a million people buried at treblinka II. That's pure fantasy.

If the missing jews aren't in the dirt, where are they Nessie, 'where'd they go'?

You have been shown the evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains. You just chose not to accept it and prefer to believe those people lived, despite no evidence of that.

[Stubble]

Nessie, there are exactly 5 proven mass graves. Out of those mass grave are tallied a handful of bodies. You basically have an outstanding balance of 6,000,000 bodies. If you are interested in making a tidy sum and also proving mass graves at the same time, Contact Greg and arrange a lawsuit with him. He has generously outlined the process.

Until then, I don't want to hear about your mass graves, especially when you have misrepresented the fact that the GPR hits in the area of Treblinka II correspondent to what would be labeled the 'extermination area' have the volume of a thimble basically when you suggest they contain the remains of over >850,000 people. They don't fit as a liquid.

The jews went somewhere, and it wasn't a hole in the dirt.

[Nessie]

Nessie, there are exactly 5 proven mass graves.

There are 11 areas identified in the parts of the camp where eyewitnesses state mass graves were dug, G32, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50-54. You cherry-pick 5, that tally with certain maps, whilst you ignore the rest. Your cherry-picking is blatant, as you try to minimise the evidence of graves.

Out of those mass grave are tallied a handful of bodies. You basically have an outstanding balance of 6,000,000 bodies.

Why are you attributing the entire Holocaust death toll to one camp? Again, you are blatantly trying to misrepresent evidence. Only you would fall for something so obviously dishonest.

If you are interested in making a tidy sum and also proving mass graves at the same time, Contact Greg and arrange a lawsuit with him. He has generously outlined the process.

Until then, I don't want to hear about your mass graves, especially when you have misrepresented the fact that the GPR hits in the area of Treblinka II correspondent to what would be labeled the 'extermination area' have the volume of a thimble basically when you suggest they contain the remains of over >850,000 people. They don't fit as a liquid.

The jews went somewhere, and it wasn't a hole in the dirt.

Figure 4.29 page 208 of C S-C report, shows the pits I have listed above and just how little of the disturbed ground, as shown in the 1944 aerial photo, can be surveyed, as shown by the memorial aerial photo. That eyewitnesses and the 1944 aerial photo corroborate and show exactly what areas were dug into, to make the mass graves, is part of the evidence to prove there was space to bury c850,000 people.

You have zero evidence of hundreds of thousands of Jews leaving the camp to be resettled elsewhere, so, to deflect from that lack of evidence, you dishonestly suggest I lack evidence.

[Keen]

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground. There are 11 [at Treblinka II]:

G32, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 & 54.

https://vnnforum.com/attachment.php?att ... 614037jpg.

Then what are you wating for Nessie:

Applying legal standards used in U.S. courts along with the information presented on this website, Greg Gerdes has LEGALLY PROVEN that the above alleged “huge mass grave discoveries” are fraudulent charades, the Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II mass murder / holocaust allegations are false, and the orthodox holocaust story did not happen as alleged.

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS MURDER

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of - $5,000.00 - will be remitted to anyone who can refute the above conclusion / statement of fact in a publicized debate against Greg Gerdes. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

What are you so afraid of?

[Keen]

you dishonestly suggest I lack evidence.

Poor Nessie. Look what Mr. Gerdes has done in response to your so-called "evidence":

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS MURDER

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

Nessie has NO clear, convincing, credible or physical evidence for the existence of mass graves.

While Mr. Gerdes has legally proven that they do not exist.

No wonder Nessie is so afraid of Mr. Gerdes.

[Keen]

Nessie, ...Contact Greg and arrange a lawsuit with him. He has generously outlined the process.

Poor Nessie knows that he doesn't have a chance in a debate with Mr. Gerdes.

I bet Nessie soiled himself by just reading that suggestion.

[Keen]

Nessie... I don't want to hear about your mass graves, especially when you have misrepresented the fact that the GPR hits in the area of Treblinka II correspondent to what would be labeled the 'extermination area' have the volume of a thimble...

The mass grave issue is the Achilles heel of the holohoax - you should want to hear all you can about it.

And you already have poor Nessie right where you want him. He has made the following claims:

Nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

The geophysical survey work has identified rectangular pits with straight edges and ramps at TII.

The sheer volume of evidence for mass graves at TII... Mass graves are proven.

By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

There are 11 at Treblinka II:

G32, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 & 54.

https://vnnforum.com/attachment.php?att ... 4614037jpg.

Let him talk about mass graves all he wants. He can't prove a single one at Treblinka II. Simply hold his feet to the fire and you win. Every time poor Nessie ignores your request that he substantiate his unsubstantiated allegations, you win, because you and everyone here knows he can't. Mr. Gerdes has proven that. Rub his nose in his cowardice. In fact, the best thing you can do is help him out. For example, I just asked Grok the following:

Q: Has a mass grave containing the remains of at least 21 people ever been discovered at Treblinka II?

A: Yes, mass graves containing the remains of at least 21 people have been discovered at Treblinka II. Archaeological investigations, notably those led by Caroline Sturdy Colls starting in 2010, identified several mass graves and cremation pits at the Treblinka II extermination camp. While precise counts of remains in individual graves are often difficult to determine due to the Nazis' efforts to exhume and cremate bodies in 1943 to conceal their crimes, the scale of the findings confirms that graves containing at least 21 people exist. Excavations revealed pits with human remains, bone fragments, and ashes, with some described as containing the "charred remains of thousands." Given that Treblinka II was the site of approximately 700,000 to 925,000 murders, primarily of Jews, along with around 2,000 Romani people, the presence of mass graves with at least 21 remains is consistent with the evidence. Specific details on individual graves are limited, but the archaeological record supports the existence of such graves.

It proves what a coward Nessie is and demonstrates how effective Mr. Gerdes's challenges are. Why are they so afraid of Mr. Gerdes when they have Grok on their side? Any person of normal intelligence will see that something is wrong with this picture. As it says on the http://thisisaboutscience.com/ website:

A $1,000.00 bet - can be made for each one of the 100 fraudulently alleged / insinuated - mass graves / cremation pits - of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - wagering that you can conclusively prove that they have been scientifically proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of at least 21 people.

To cravenly refuse to bet that you can prove what you allege has been proven, is a tacit admission that you know what you allege - has not been proven.

Who will be the first one to grow a pair and bet Mr. Gerdes? 11 grand (according to Nessie for TII alone) for something that should be as easy as picking up cash off the sidewalk - and that's just the begining. And you have Grok on your side!

What are the cowardly true believers so afraid off?

[Keen]

I just asked chat gpt:

Q: Has a mass grave containing the remains of at least 21 people ever been discovered at Treblinka II?

A: Yes — archaeological investigations at Treblinka II have uncovered multiple mass graves, some of which are large enough to contain the remains of hundreds or even thousands of victims.

Key Findings from Excavations:

Forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls led the first scientific excavations at Treblinka II, revealing previously unknown mass graves using non-invasive techniques like ground-penetrating radar and lidar2.

One grave measured approximately 63 feet by 58 feet (19.2 by 17.6 meters)— easily large enough to hold the remains of at least 21 individuals, and likely many more.

Excavations uncovered human bones, including cut marks suggesting violent deaths, as well as personal items like jewelry, utensils, and building materials4.

These graves were located near the gas chambers, where victims were murdered and initially buried before later being exhumed and cremated on open-air pyres5.

Respectful Reburial: Due to Jewish Halacha law, which prohibits disturbing burial sites, the remains were reinterred after documentation, and the graves were left undisturbed3.

So yes, not only has a mass grave with at least 21 people been discovered — the evidence points to mass graves containing thousands of victims at Treblinka II. It's a haunting reminder of the scale of atrocities committed there.

Wow - "archaeological investigations at Treblinka II have uncovered multiple mass graves... mass graves containing thousands of victims"

What are the true believers waiting for?

What are they so afraid of?