Markiewicz Report in 1994

[HansHill]

There were a lot of things that had to happen in order for Prussian Blue to form.

1. First the hydrogen cyanide gas has to exist.

Off to a bit of a shakey start

[TlsMS93]

They washed in Auschwitz, not in Majdanek, and so the narrative goes.

The exterminationists are willing to sacrifice Majdanek as an extermination camp, since relatively few people died, in order to maintain a semblance of coherence in Auschwitz, which still sustains death tolls 10 times higher. Auschwitz appears to be their last stand.

[ConfusedJew]

You are welcome to not engage but I've identified the most pressing issues that won't have answers already from Rudolf or Leuchter. I don't know why you wouldn't but I've clearly set forth the most pressing controversies on this forum that have not been adequately addressed.

I'll make this simple.

1. Why do you still think that Prussian Blue might have shown up if Nazis and Sonderkommando reported washing and disinfecting the walls of the gas chambers?

2. Do you think that both the Nazis and Sonderkommando were simply lying about what they did in that room?

3. If so, why would they lie about washing the walls and how would they all be coordinated on that front?

[ConfusedJew]

There were a lot of things that had to happen in order for Prussian Blue to form.

1. First the hydrogen cyanide gas has to exist.

Off to a bit of a shakey start

Assume that they hypothetically used HCN gas because many of the arguments on here expect that absence of Prussian Blue proves that there was never any gas. That argument is flawed so I want to dismantle that piece and then I'll move on to other ones.

[Stubble]

1. Why do you still think that Prussian Blue might have shown up if Nazis and Sonderkommando reported washing and disinfecting the walls of the gas chambers?

What are your sources for this claim CJ? Please, do list testimony that is consistent with the claim here.

Your claim is the bolded text, for clarity.

[ConfusedJew]

Let me compile a list for you and get back to you on this but eyewitness testimony is not even necessary. Obviously they are going to hose the place down if there are a ton of dead bodies in there so you wouldn't expect to see Prussian Blue.

[Stubble]

Let me compile a list for you and get back to you on this but eyewitness testimony is not even necessary. Obviously they are going to hose the place down if there are a ton of dead bodies in there so you wouldn't expect to see Prussian Blue.

I beg your pardon? Can you clarify this?

[Callafangers]

Let me compile a list for you and get back to you on this but eyewitness testimony is not even necessary. Obviously they are going to hose the place down if there are a ton of dead bodies in there so you wouldn't expect to see Prussian Blue.

It's crucial that you find testimony published or evidenced before Rudolf published his own work in the 1990s, which is where it was first exposed that the FeCN levels were far below what should be expected if gassings indeed occurred. There have been one or two 'eyewitnesses' who claimed later (in the mid-90s and early-00s) that 'whitewashing' occurred (such as Daniel Bennahmias), but this was obviously damage control for the narrative, as no such testimony exists prior to Rudolf's findings becoming known.

[ConfusedJew]

It's fairly clear. If you were to hypothetically kill thousands and thousands of people in a gas chamber, you'd have people was the chambers afterwords for basic hygienic reasons. That washing process would naturally prevent Prussian Blue from forming which is a very slow process. This is common sense, but I will look for sources for redundancy.

It need not even exist, nor before Rudolf's report, but I will look for what I can find. It's a fairly minor but obvious detail. An average person wouldn't see that as an important piece of evidence.

Why do you think all of these different people would have motive to lie about this? It's hard for me to believe that a non-schizophrenic person would hold that belief as being physically possible. I'm just being honest.

[Stubble]

I would expect what transpired to be reflected in the primary contemporary accounts, and I wouldn't assume something because it 'makes sense'.

It seems they would remember washing down the homicidal gas chamber and remark on that as a step in the operation. At least one of them, surely.

They remembered the orchestra, and the speech, and the ambulance engine and the 20 foot flames out of the crematoria chimneys. Somehow, everyone forgot to mention hitting the gas chambers with a firehose and a fresh coat of whitewash though...

[HansHill]

Confused Jew getting absolutely ragdolled again

Please add sources for the Reinhard camps also - after all since these were hygienic precautions, the whitewash / paint / sealant must have been applied there too. I wonder how this painting interfered with Abraham Bombas haircutting business though

Reinhard = Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec FWIW

[ConfusedJew]

Here is just a quick handful - redundant but it's there


Dario Gabbai - "Once the gas chambers were cleared out they had to be hosed down from all traces of blood and quickly white-washed with quick-dry paint. This step was crucial and done after each transport to keep up the deception so that the next batch of victims would not suspect that they were about to be gassed. The whole process took between 2-3 hours each time."

https://www.normandy1944.info/holocaust ... ach%20time

Jankiel Wernik - "It was a room. The floor was somewhat sloping when the people inside were suffocated, they used to wash the floor with a hosepipe or a bucket of water. When they removed the bodies, they had been suffocated."

https://holocaustresearchproject.net/tr ... res%20wide

Abraham Dragon - "After the bodies were taken out we were forced to clean the shack, wash the floor with water, spread sawdust and white-wash the walls. The shack was divided inside into four cells: the largest could contain up to 1,200 people, the second 700, the third 400, and the fourth 200 to 250 people. In the wall of the largest cell there were two lattices. The other three had but one lattice."

https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/zuromin/zure014.html

Marek Bem (synthesized research) - "An extremely significant issue to discover (inextricably connected with the construction of the whole building) is how the chambers in Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka were cleansed after each gassing of victims. There was no practice of throwing out of the building all sorts of waste matter (which had to be washed off the walls and the floor) that remained after victims were gassed. Supposedly, waste matter trickled down under the floor, which necessitated using a special floor and a special construction of the foundations in the building."

https://www.sobibor.org/wp-content/uplo ... %20removed


Mandelbaum mentioned that when he saw his colleagues transporting corpses in the heat, covered in sweat, exhausted and breathless; they simply switched to lighter work, such as cleaning the gas chamber, and those who had cleaned the room up to that point replaced them during the transport of the corpses.

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/education/ ... prisoners/

[ConfusedJew]

Here is a Nazi

Karl Schluch

I can relate that I saw the gas chambers in the euthanasia institutions and I was shown the gas chamber in Belzec. These were each about 4 x 8 meters. They had a friendly, bright appearance.

Whether the colour was yellow or gray, I don’t remember. Maybe the walls were painted with oil colours. In any case, the floor and part of the walls were made so that cleaning would be easy.

https://holocaustresearchproject.net/ar ... appearance

Testimony of gas-van driver Walter Burmeister - "I then drove the van back to the castle and parked it there. Here it would be cleaned of the excretions of the people that had died in it. Afterwards it would once again be used for gassing.... I can no longer say what I thought at the time or whether I thought of anything at all. I can also no longer say today whether I was too influenced by the propaganda of the time to have refused to have carried out the orders I had been given."

https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/RESOURCE ... can%20also

Report on Gas Vans by August Becker - "My instructions have insured that through the correct placing of the lever, death takes place more quickly and the prisoners go peacefully to sleep. Distorted faces and excretions are no longer to be seen , as they were formerly."

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety. ... 20formerly

The evidence is honestly overwhelming

[Stubble]

Contemporary accounts...

Also, gas vans? Really?

Yes, there is contemporary testimony that the mythical gas vans were washed out.

Overwhelming? I don't think that's an accurate assessment.

You've got 1 testimony from 2002 in there, how contemporary is that to you? It's not even from the same century as the event.

[Cowboy]

Jankiel Wernik - "It was a room. The floor was somewhat sloping when the people inside were suffocated, they used to wash the floor with a hosepipe or a bucket of water. When they removed the bodies, they had been suffocated."

Wernik was at Treblinka where Zyklon B wasn't said to be used. He only mentions that they washed off the floor, which would be appropriate in this case since that's where a lot of excrement/body fluid would be. I don't think that Wernik is a reliable witness regardless. The claims made in his book "A Year in Treblinka" are simply ridiculous.

Abraham Dragon - "After the bodies were taken out we were forced to clean the shack, wash the floor with water, spread sawdust and white-wash the walls. The shack was divided inside into four cells: the largest could contain up to 1,200 people, the second 700, the third 400, and the fourth 200 to 250 people. In the wall of the largest cell there were two lattices. The other three had but one lattice."

First of all, that isn't even Abraham's quote. It's his brother Szlama's (Shlomo). Anyways, they aren't reliable witnesses either. The claims they make are absurd, and are demonstrated to be here: https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... on-szlama/. I point this out because if we are unable to determine what he says is true or not since his account has some truth and (mostly) falsehood mixed in, then there is no reason to take this quote with certainty.

Dario Gabbai - "Once the gas chambers were cleared out they had to be hosed down from all traces of blood and quickly white-washed with quick-dry paint. This step was crucial and done after each transport to keep up the deception so that the next batch of victims would not suspect that they were about to be gassed. The whole process took between 2-3 hours each time."

Gabbai is also unreliable for a multitude of reasons (https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... dario/301/). The claim here itself though is interesting because he doesn't really specify where the paint goes. The floor? The wall? How are we supposed to know that the paint was covering up Prussian Blue staining? Did Gabbai even know that Prussian Blue formed? Because he specifically says here that they are cleaning up blood. I was unaware that they supposedly used paint until now.

Mandelbaum mentioned that when he saw his colleagues transporting corpses in the heat, covered in sweat, exhausted and breathless; they simply switched to lighter work, such as cleaning the gas chamber, and those who had cleaned the room up to that point replaced them during the transport of the corpses.

https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... enryk/676/. I simply ask, again, how are we supposed to take any of this testimony seriously when he tells blatant lies after being interrogated by the Soviets?

The evidence is honestly overwhelming

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