Markiewicz Report in 1994

[HansHill]

To finally put this washing the walls nonsense to rest:

"Furthermore, the opinion is occasionally expressed that the homicidal 'gas chamber' was
sprayed with a water hose after every gassing. This assertion forgets that it would have
lasted many hours until the 'gas chamber' could have been cleared of bodies (they had to
be cremated, which is time-consuming, after all) that the hydrogen cyanide does not merely
sit on the surface of the wall, but rather, due to its extremely high diffusion capacity,
penetrates deeply into the wall within a few hours, and that a water hose would be of no
assistance in this regard, quite apart from the fact that such an action would have had the
effect of causing the consequently extremely damp walls to adsorb even more hydrogen
cyanide during the next hypothetical gassing. In addition, the samples taken from the
ceiling, which was certainly not hosed down, likewise show no reproducible cyanide
concentrations."

https://web.archive.org/web/20221012031 ... html#8.4.6.

[ConfusedJew]

HCN is a small, highly diffusible molecule that can readily penetrate porous materials but requires time to adsorb (bind to surfaces) or absorb (diffuse deeper) and form stable compounds like cyanides or Prussian blue.

Plaster and cement are porous, with cement having a typical porosity of 10–20% and plaster varying widely (5–30% depending on composition). We need to look into what the materials of the walls were and how porous they were if possible.

Short exposures of 15–30 minutes limit deep penetration. HCN adsorbs onto surface pores within seconds to minutes, depending on concentration (e.g., 300–700 ppm) but this is superficial and reversible unless chemical reactions occur.

For a 1–2 cm thick plaster or cement surface, HCN molecules can cover the outer layer in under a minute due to high diffusivity.

It only takes ~5-30 minutes for HCN to diffuse 1–2 cm into plaster or cement based on diffusion models for gases in porous media (Fick’s second law). For a 10 cm thick wall, diffusion to the midpoint could take 1–2 hours at 300 ppm and 20°C.
In short exposures (15–30 minutes), HCN penetrates only a few millimeters to 1–2 cm, leaving trace residues if ventilated quickly. We also need to figure out how thick the walls were.

Significant penetration (e.g., 10–20 cm) and formation of stable cyanide compounds like Prussian blue require prolonged exposure (hours) or repeated gassings, especially in moist conditions. For example, delousing chambers exposed to HCN for 12–24 hours at high concentrations (10,000–20,000 ppm) show deep blue staining and residues up to 10 cm.

The 1994 Kraków Institute study found cyanide traces in Auschwitz gas chamber walls (0.1–1 mg/kg), consistent with short, frequent exposures, but much lower than delousing chambers (100–10,000 mg/kg), supporting limited penetration in 15–30 minute gassings.

In a 20-minute gassing cycle (as per historical records), HCN would penetrate plaster or cement only a few millimeters to 1–2 cm. This is a large range so we can dive deeper on this.

Ventilation (e.g., Auschwitz’s mechanical systems) would remove most gaseous HCN within 20–30 minutes, halting further penetration. Claims of “deep penetration within a few hours” are exaggerated for short exposures but plausible for delousing scenarios.

The ventilation time in the delousing chamber took 2-6 hours to reduce HCN levels below 10 ppm which was safe for human entry. In contrast, the gas chambers had powerful mechanical ventilation systems (e.g., 7,200–8,000 m³/hour capacity in Crematorium II, per 1943 Auschwitz reports), with exhaust and intake vents designed for rapid gas removal. The powerful ventilation system and lower concentrations of HCN gas were why it took much less time to ventilate the gas chambers (20-30 minutes).

PS Thanks for this debate guys. It is getting me interested in chemistry which was never so interesting to me before.

[Stubble]

Good thing Mr Rudolf checked that and Mr Hill provided his findings in your other thread, isn't it.

It is however unfortunate that you either didn't read his post, or you forgot.

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=120

Also;

Ventilation (e.g., Auschwitz’s mechanical systems) would remove most gaseous HCN within 20–30 minutes, halting further penetration. Claims of “deep penetration within a few hours” are exaggerated for short exposures but plausible for delousing scenarios.

The ventilation time in the delousing chamber took 2-6 hours to reduce HCN levels below 10 ppm which was safe for human entry. In contrast, the gas chambers had powerful mechanical ventilation systems (e.g., 7,200–8,000 m³/hour capacity in Crematorium II, per 1943 Auschwitz reports), with exhaust and intake vents designed for rapid gas removal. The powerful ventilation system and lower concentrations of HCN gas were why it took much less time to ventilate the gas chambers (20-30 minutes).

No, it didn't.

https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... i-and-iii/

Side Note- Anybody know if any of this report was ever published, I have been unable to locate records from this dig, only references.

This seems to be confirmed by a picture taken on August 18, 1968 during excavation work in Morgue #1.17

[HansHill]

We need to look into what the materials of the walls were and how porous they were if possible.

Stop posting AI slop. You're the only person here who doesn't know what the walls were made out of or their properties.

PS Thanks for this debate guys.

This isn't a debate, this is an embarrassment.

[Wahrheitssucher]

We need to look into what the materials of the walls were and how porous they were if possible.

Stop posting AI slop. You're the only person here who doesn't know what the walls were made out of or their properties.

PS Thanks for this debate guys.

This isn't a debate, this is an embarrassment.

What we see here is what most believers do, except in this case CJ seems to be lacking in a lot of accumulated knowledge. They argue about irrelevancies. Stuff that even if true, which this most certainly is not, would hardly move the needle, hardly swing the dial one way or the other. They create fog where previously there was none and in any case it is fog we can see through quite clearly. They argue black is white, salt is sugar and yet they always always avoid the key issues in every debate. Why? because they know that the basics of the whole thing cannot be proven and we are right.

Their goose is cooked.

When I disassemble each and all of your 'proof' point-by-point, it's hilarious (and childish) for you to still say you "disagree". None of your points are valid and I have shown this conclusively.

Washing the walls would not have necessarily completely prevented the formation of Prussian Blue, but it would have reduced the likelihood of it happening. Can we agree on that point?

No, you're a desperate Jewish tribesman seeking any angle he can latch onto. You score zero points.

Confused Jew is a dishonest time-waster who has proved repeatedly they are not here to engage in either genuine investigation of the facts or in fair and honest discussion.

I’m glad to see the above responses, which demonstrate that more people have decided to finally inform CJ that they have realised this.

[HansHill]

Confused Jew is a dishonest time-waster who has proved repeatedly they are not here to engage in either genuine investigation of the facts or in fair and honest discussion.

I’m glad to see the above responses, which demonstrate that more people have decided to finally inform CJ that they have realised this.

I'm only here because Confused Jew bet me that it doesn't matter if the pellets remain inside the room offgassing or not, and he now owes me "a ton of money". Whatever that is. I hope its alot.

[Stubble]

Confused Jew is a dishonest time-waster who has proved repeatedly they are not here to engage in either genuine investigation of the facts or in fair and honest discussion.

I’m glad to see the above responses, which demonstrate that more people have decided to finally inform CJ that they have realised this.

I'm only here because Confused Jew bet me that it doesn't matter if the pellets remain inside the room offgassing or not, and he now owes me "a ton of money". Whatever that is. I hope its alot.

You're gonna get jewed on that.

A jew will no sooner part with his money than he will part with an opinion.

[HansHill]

You're gonna get jewed on that.

A jew will no sooner part with his money than he will part with an opinion.

how dare you, that;s an antisemitic remark. Two antisemitic remarks in fact!

Confused Jew is here to learn, and like anybody truly invested in the pursuit of truth, money is no object. Any financial outlay will be meaningless when juxtaposed with the new knowledge he has gleaned; not only the immediate knowledge gained on the facts that sonderkommandos saw the pellets fall to the floor to be swept and hosed away, but also the strategic knowledge gained from trusting so blindly in AI output against a living breathing person who has studied the material rigorously.

Confused Jew respects the process. He lives for the process. And besides all of that, he wouldn't dare allow an antisemitic trope, a false antisemitic trope at that, be played out in front of our eyes in real time. Not on a Holocaust Denial board of all places.

Isn't that right, Confuse Jew?

[ConfusedJew]

Confused Jew is here to learn, and like anybody truly invested in the pursuit of truth, money is no object. Any financial outlay will be meaningless when juxtaposed with the new knowledge he has gleaned; not only the immediate knowledge gained on the facts that sonderkommandos saw the pellets fall to the floor to be swept and hosed away, but also the strategic knowledge gained from trusting so blindly in AI output against a living breathing person who has studied the material rigorously.

Truthfully, using AI against this content is a great stress test to better understand the limits of where I can and can't trust it. If it didn't exist, it would take me so much time and energy to keep up with this content that I definitely wouldn't bother doing it alone. I'm honest about my AI use though, but what does it matter. The point is to arrive at what is ultimately true, not be perfect on the path to getting there.

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, but I'm learning a lot about forensics and chemistry and legal evidentiary standards and so many other interesting on here that I'm getting a lot out of it.

You guys might be getting frustrated, but to put this in perspective, you are denying the brutal murders of my many distant relatives and you don't seem to care about that for whatever reason.

From where I see things now, for this thread, there are a few questions that remain unanswered still. A few tangents that are unimportant have been brought up but I'd like to keep things on track.

I'd like to further debate:

1. What residues were or were not found in the Krema II and why that might have been?
2. Would homicidal gassings have been intense or long enough to penetrate the walls of the chambers which would be necessary to form Prussian Blue?
3. Were the walls sufficiently porous enough to allow the gas to penetrate sufficiently deep into the surfaces or not?
4. Was the alkalinity and moisture content sufficient to allow formation of PB?

The question of the whether or not hosing down the walls would have made a difference I think was probably not a dealbreaker. They wouldn't have washed every square inch of the room.

[HansHill]

And you should be allowed post your mindless slop here why?

Wouldnt you be happier posting this slop somewhere like Reddit and get loads of updoots for it? It's not as if you are engaging with us in any sort of meaningful way so what's the difference?

I'm only here to keep reminding you about my "ton of money" before you get banned.

[Callafangers]

I'm only here because Confused Jew bet me that it doesn't matter if the pellets remain inside the room offgassing or not, and he now owes me "a ton of money". Whatever that is. I hope its alot.

Well, we can take the smallest increment of money (using USA currency) and say it's a penny. With this:

- A ton of post-1982 pennies (lighter) is worth approximately $3,628.74 in face value.
- A ton of pre-1982 pennies (heavier) is worth approximately $2,917.02 in face value, but could have a melt value of around $8,550 based on current copper prices (though this cannot legally be realized).

So it appears he owes you at least $2,917.02...

[HansHill]

I'm only here because Confused Jew bet me that it doesn't matter if the pellets remain inside the room offgassing or not, and he now owes me "a ton of money". Whatever that is. I hope its alot.

Well, we can take the smallest increment of money (using USA currency) and say it's a penny. With this:

- A ton of post-1982 pennies (lighter) is worth approximately $3,628.74 in face value.
- A ton of pre-1982 pennies (heavier) is worth approximately $2,917.02 in face value, but could have a melt value of around $8,550 based on current copper prices (though this cannot legally be realized).

So it appears he owes you at least $2,917.02...

Sounds reasonable, and based on nothing other than pure raw logic. Right up Confused Jew's alley. I'll obviously be standing over my commitment when agreeing to his bet, of donating half to revisionist causes. I'm sure that funding will go some way to help maintenance and upkeep of the forum.

Deal

1) What kinda ton of money are we talking?
2) I will DM you my Monero details privately
3) I will only keep half and donate the other half to Revisionist causes. Archie and Callafangers will assist me in choosing.
4) The condition will be met when you argue from necessity that the pellets must remain inside the column during the entirety of a gassing, to be removed afterwards.

I would appreciate a mod reviewing the above to ensure it is a true reflection of the discussion so far

Whaddya say Confused Jew? Seems like a good deal to give back to the forum that has "taught you so much"

[Stubble]

Not trying to be racially insensitive again, but, respecting the heritage, shouldn't the value be estimated from shekels?

I estimate about $33,000usd using 1 shekel coins this way.

[HansHill]

Well look at that, what a windfall this is turning out to be. Thats a lot better for me, and a lot better for the forum.

While both methods are based on pure raw logic and fairness, i personally think the fairest thing to do would be to split the difference. So

33,000
-2,917
30,083 / 2 =

US$15,041

Are all parties in accordance with my accounting? Confused Jew?

[Stubble]

If you have English heritage, would could switch the hundredweight to stone and add a little more value by using long ton.

Since you are you in Arlen, I figured we'd use the short ton.