Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 10:24 pm
Here is prosecutor Dodd giving the oath at Nuremburg Trials
You jest, but besides posing for those dramatic photos, he also did present it as evidence, as videotaped
here. Dodd parroted the story given by OSS agent Jack Donovan, who put it in his affidavit (3421-PS) that the shrunken heads belonged to "two young Poles who had been hanged for having had relations with German girls."
This treatment, with zero regard for evidentiary standards, betrays an intention to incline the judges and the public against the Germans.
Callafangers wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:54 pm
As always, the exterminationist camp hopes the world will have total disregard for all questions of
chain of custody, as it remains the case there is zero evidence these objects (if truly authentic and retrieved from Germany) were even derived from camp inmates -- let alone Jews. As Rudolf demonstrates, the propaganda history insofar as the presentation of these items coupled with the inconsistent forensic findings/data all point to the
same pattern of fabrication and misrepresentation we see over and over again with all-things-'Holocaust'. Only by total blindness to the source(s) and custodial handoffs of these items -- and with absolute trust in those affirming things like 'gassing' and 'German barbarism' -- can one take these tokens of the narrative seriously.
Yes, it seems only the segmented lampshade is known to predate the Allied occupation, and only because there is a photograph of it. I'm willing to forgive some chain of custody issues on that one. Not on all the others.
Archie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:32 am
It seems he hedges somewhat with "Assuming that Dr. Benecke’s findings are correct..." He also mentions provenance and other concerns.
Yes, that's wise. I don't think anyone on this forum is up to the task of contesting DNA evidence, but I will say a few words. Benecke says that the shrunken head he tested (item #2) was a 99.7% match to goat DNA. He says other items (#4, 7, and 1?) are a 99% match to Homo sapiens. These are the only numbers he gives. It could be argued that 99% is not actually a very close match, since humans and chimps are said to share as much as 99% of DNA, with other animals also in the 90 percentile. (The exact percentages are a matter of technical dispute.) I don't think these artifacts were made of chimpanzee skin, but there is at least some space to doubt the claim that they were made of human skin.
Benecke also says he used PCR and BLAST. Both are known to return false positives in cases where DNA material is thin, which it is said to be in this case. Benecke also jokes about contamination, something that could generate false positives.
I'm sure Benecke and the labs are well aware of all these limitations. One way they can avoid anyone disputing their results is to treat all samples equally. If Benecke had all of these artifacts equally tested for goat DNA (or some other animal DNA), with the same testing parameters and all, then his findings should be definitive.
Archie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:32 am
I remain rather skeptical primarily because 1) the sensational nature of the original charges, 2) the fact that by the time of the Koch trial in 1948 the Americans themselves do not even seem to have believed it. At the same time though, I don't know that I see a major incentive for them to risk faking a bunch of tests at this late a date (better to leave it alone, I would think).
Agreed. I don't think they would intentionally try to fake test results. However, the social incentives are huge to publish positive results and non-existent or negative to publish negative results.