The Keen vs Confused jew debate

[Keen]

Confused jew:

I'm not a reality denier, I'm a Holocaust affirmer.

You deny the reality of this fact:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.

And you are dening the reality that you are a liar.

[Keen]

The phrase "You shall return minus six million" cannot be found any Jewish scripture prophecy or ancient rabbinic teaching.

https://omarzaid.com/the-myth-of-the-ho ... 0homeland.

Confused jew:

*1 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; “You shall return minus six million” is - JEWISH PROPHECY - that has allegedly been fulfilled via the “jewish holocaust of WWII” - ??

[ConfusedJew]

Yep, that is false, no prophecy.

[TlsMS93]

Yep, that is false, no prophecy.

Do you really think that Judaism recognizes only the written Torah, and even then only what is written, discarding what lies behind that writing? Or do you think that these recent forms of Judaism (Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative) represent the essence of Judaism?

For any rabbi devoted to the Torah will never simply cite prophecy and leave it at that; therefore, this prophecy has indeed been used to validate its fulfillment in history.

It is worth mentioning that the ancient scribes themselves corrupted the Hebrew text in compromising passages called Tiqqun soferim, using corrections to soften the expression. In other words, they deliberately created norms and used passages to validate their religion.

[ConfusedJew]

Yep, that is false, no prophecy.

Do you really think that Judaism recognizes only the written Torah, and even then only what is written, discarding what lies behind that writing? Or do you think that these recent forms of Judaism (Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative) represent the essence of Judaism?

For any rabbi devoted to the Torah will never simply cite prophecy and leave it at that; therefore, this prophecy has indeed been used to validate its fulfillment in history.

It is worth mentioning that the ancient scribes themselves corrupted the Hebrew text in compromising passages called Tiqqun soferim, using corrections to soften the expression. In other words, they deliberately created norms and used passages to validate their religion.

More than 50% of Jews fit into the categories of Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative.

All religions have their own self referential norms.

[Keen]

Yep, that is false, no prophecy.

PART ONE:

*1 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; “You shall return minus six million” is - JEWISH PROPHECY - that has allegedly been fulfilled via the “jewish holocaust of WWII” - ??

Keens answer: True.

Confused jew: False.

*2 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The persecution and extermination of 6 million jews was repeatedly mentioned in the media for years - PRIOR TO WORLD WAR II - ??

https://www.islam-radio.net/islam/engli ... heimer.pdf

Keens answer: True.

Confused jew: ??

[TlsMS93]

More than 50% of Jews fit into the categories of Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative.

All religions have their own self referential norms.

No matter how many members there are, they did not exist 300 years ago, so they have no historical authority to claim what is or is not prophecy.

[ConfusedJew]

It is possible to look at ancient prophecy and see what it is not.

There is a lot of ambiguity in interpreting ancient texts, especially when there's been translation from one language to another and the ancient language is dead, but this is not one of those cases.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Yep, that is false, no prophecy.

PART ONE:

*1 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; “You shall return minus six million” is - JEWISH PROPHECY - that has allegedly been fulfilled via the “jewish holocaust of WWII” - ??

Keens answer: True.

Confused jew: False.

There is an interpretation of the Judaic scripture called the Zohar which states: "You shall return minus six million". It refers to an interpretations of Leviticus 25:10.
The Leviticus reference discusses the Jewish ‘Jubilee year’ and the phrase "you shall return" (tashuvu, תשבו = return).

This Zohar interpretation of the Leviticus verse states a return of the Jewish people to their ‘homeland’ minus six million, based on a supposedly deliberate misspelling of "tashuvu" (missing a vav, which has a numerical value of 6) and its gematria equaling 708, linked to the year 1948 (5708 in the Jewish calendar, ignoring the millennium).

Yeah, its convoluted. But that’s judaic prophecy and gematria for ya!

SUMMARY: There is no explicit reference in the Zohar stating "you shall return minus six million".
But there have been and still are bat-shit crazy people with a superiority complex combined with a persecution complex who keep living a self-fulfilling prophecy by believing everybody hates them merely because they are BETTER than EVERY OTHER group of people. These people self-identify as ‘special’ and ‘God’s chosen’ (even though many of them are athiests).
Groups of some of these came up with this convoluted interpretation. They believe this is what Lev 25:10 really meant, and that it is a cryptic, divine prophecy.

BOTTOM-LINE:
Anyone who claims there is no such jewish interpretation+belief is either: a.) ignorant or b.) deliberately deceiving.

See here for further elucidation:
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14195#p14195

[Keen]

Yep, that is false, no prophecy.

PART ONE:

*1 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; “You shall return minus six million” is - JEWISH PROPHECY - that has allegedly been fulfilled via the “jewish holocaust of WWII” - ??

Keens answer: True.

Confused jew: False.

There is an interpretation of the Judaic scripture called the Zohar which states: "You shall return minus six million". It refers to an interpretations of Leviticus 25:10.
The Leviticus reference discusses the Jewish ‘Jubilee year’ and the phrase "you shall return" (tashuvu, תשבו = return).

This Zohar interpretation of the Leviticus verse states a return of the Jewish people to their ‘homeland’ minus six million, based on a supposedly deliberate misspelling of "tashuvu" (missing a vav, which has a numerical value of 6) and its gematria equaling 708, linked to the year 1948 (5708 in the Jewish calendar, ignoring the millennium).

Yeah, its convoluted. But that’s judaic prophecy and gematria for ya!

SUMMARY: There is no explicit reference in the Zohar stating "you shall return minus six million".
But there have been and still are bat-shit crazy people with a superiority complex combined with a persecution complex who keep living a self-fulfilling prophecy by believing everybody hates them merely because they are BETTER than EVERY OTHER group of people. These people self-identify as ‘special’ and ‘God’s chosen’ (even though many of them are athiests).
Groups of some of these came up with this convoluted interpretation. They believe this is what Lev 25:10 really meant, and that it is a cryptic, divine prophecy.

BOTTOM-LINE:
Anyone who claims there is no such jewish interpretation+belief is either: a.) ignorant or b.) deliberately deceiving.

See here for further elucidation:
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14195#p14195

Thank you for that input Wahrheitssucher.

Of course we all know that the self "chosen" / hasbara trolls are all deliberately deceiving. But we can't forget about the insane christian zionists who are members of the cult of pisrael who have fallen for this prophecy bullshit hook, line and sinker.