Junk Folder for Derails

[Keen]

And what a waste of time explaining anything to this stubbornly self-deluded person.

He's doing what he's paid to do.



A hasbara troll refers to individuals or groups that engage in propaganda and misinformation on behalf of Israel, often using social media to spread pro-Israel narratives. The term "hasbara" itself means "explaining" in Hebrew and is associated with a formal policy of pro-Israel evangelism and propaganda aimed at influencing public opinion in favor of Israel and Zionism. Hasbara trolls often use tactics such as spreading disinformation, fabricating claims, and manipulating perceptions to support Israel's actions and policies. They may also employ tactics like calling others "antisemites" to deflect criticism and promote their cause.

[Keen]

You're done Confused Jew. This is beyond embarrassing.

Looks like HansHill went to his closet and pulled out one of these:

[ConfusedJew]

People complain that this thread has gotten very long but you just posted 6 low information content messages in a row.

I'll go through the study very carefully and follow up when I get a chance.

[Keen]

People complain that this thread has gotten very long but you just posted 6 low information content messages in a row.

I'll go through the study very carefully and follow up when I get a chance.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13452#p13452

[ConfusedJew]

Have you guys actually done any research at any of the many Archives?

The Arolsen Archives – International Center on Nazi Persecution, hold the world’s largest collection of documents on victims and survivors of Nazi persecution, containing approximately 30 million documents with information on about 17.5 million people. These records, recognized as part of UNESCO’s Memory of the World Register, cover Nazi-era persecution, forced labor, and the postwar period, particularly the experiences of displaced persons (DPs).

The center holds individual cards detailing personal information (e.g., name, date of birth, prisoner number) for concentration camp inmates, such as those from Auschwitz, Buchenwald, or Gross Rosen. These often include details on arrests, transfers, or fates (e.g., death or liberation).

Families seeking missing relatives often submitted inquiries to the International Tracing Service (ITS, predecessor to the Arolsen Archives). Responses may confirm deaths at Auschwitz, sometimes referencing transports or gassings based on survivor accounts.

The Arolsen Archives hold thousands of transport lists, documenting deportations to Auschwitz from ghettos (e.g., Cracow, Łódź, Warsaw), transit camps (e.g., Drancy, Westerbork), and other locations. These lists often include names, ages, and origins, but not always fates.

[Archie]

Have you guys actually done any research at any of the many Archives?

The Arolsen Archives – International Center on Nazi Persecution, hold the world’s largest collection of documents on victims and survivors of Nazi persecution, containing approximately 30 million documents with information on about 17.5 million people. These records, recognized as part of UNESCO’s Memory of the World Register, cover Nazi-era persecution, forced labor, and the postwar period, particularly the experiences of displaced persons (DPs).

The center holds individual cards detailing personal information (e.g., name, date of birth, prisoner number) for concentration camp inmates, such as those from Auschwitz, Buchenwald, or Gross Rosen. These often include details on arrests, transfers, or fates (e.g., death or liberation).

Families seeking missing relatives often submitted inquiries to the International Tracing Service (ITS, predecessor to the Arolsen Archives). Responses may confirm deaths at Auschwitz, sometimes referencing transports or gassings based on survivor accounts.

The Arolsen Archives hold thousands of transport lists, documenting deportations to Auschwitz from ghettos (e.g., Cracow, Łódź, Warsaw), transit camps (e.g., Drancy, Westerbork), and other locations. These lists often include names, ages, and origins, but not always fates.

ConfusedJew,

You have tried to start eight threads in the last ~two weeks. Most of these threads are little more than "hey, guys, have you heard of this extremely famous thing?" with no significant research. It has gotten tedious. How about you try to get somewhere with all the other threads you started?

Your posting career here thus far has not met CODOH Forum editorial standards. Please review all the rules and posting guidelines. Additionally,

• Start doing some basic reading and research (this should obviate the need to start a thread every time you have question)
• Stop making assertions about sources you have never seen and that know nothing about. Be prepared to back up all your claims with real sources
• Stop posting made up garbage without double-checking any of it

[Nessie]

It's so simple, but the recalcitrant prefer to fight against reason.
…People are reluctant to accept certain truths because it's too heavy to give up the lie.
They even make them something existential. Jews must think: ‘What are we without the Holocaust? How will we maintain our unity?’

Yes!
I admire the patience of those prepared to go over and over the fairly simple and straightforward details of the legally protected mass-gassing narrative that defy basic science.

Just because some people think it defies basic science, does not mean therefore it did not happen.

I admire it because it values stating truth above being appreciated, or respected, let alone thanked.

How many recalcitrant true-believers in the mass-gassing mythology have ever been corrected, or ever acknowledged the absurdity of some of the sacrosanct holyH beliefs?

I’m not aware of a single person over a decade of following these online debates.

Anyone who sees through the so-called revisionist claims about science, which are dressed up logically flawed arguments from incredulity, is unlikely to then side with them. Just because some people think the mass gassing, cremation, grave evidence is absurd, does not mean those events did not happen.

I admire the patient explanations, as apparently increasing numbers are realising the truth of the revisionist argument. And that presumably is due to a great degree from people anonymously visiting CODOH.

It is worrying how many people fall for the obvious lies and deceptions by so-called revisionist.

It was from anonymously reading the discussions on CODOH as a newbie to the topic that I myself realised that the true-believers who try to defend the flaws have no logical argument.

The events of the Holocaust are proved by evidence, not argument.

The mass-gassing-of-millions narrative has no credibility.

That is a matter of opinion and it has no evidential value.

The Holocaust-Emperor is nude!!!



People — especially jewish ones — are unable to admit the truths of holocaust revisionism not because they are so complex and technical. Most of the core issues aren’t.
I think they are unable to accept these truths because they subliminally fear they cannot handle the psychological disturbance that will result.

Thankfully, a good proportion of people are able to understand evidencing and can see how well the Holocaust is evidenced. It is the group of so-called revisionists who cannot accept that evidence, hence they deny much of it, hence they are normally referred to as Holocaust deniers, who are unable to accept that because they cannot revise the history, they are left with argument, and that argument is logically flawed.

[Keen]

I think it's a huge mistake to omitt "holocaust and science" as a topic.

[Nessie]

...
– Holocaust and History: Taboo between Dogma and Dissent.
For this section, papers should focus on the actual historical record: on the various ways this event has been defined by historians; on findings – new and old – correcting the established record and our understanding of it; on how Holocaust historiography has been revised over time by both orthodox and skeptic scholars.

Is that the part where so-called revisionists get to speak about their various, largely unevidenced, so-called revisions to history? Will that mean they will finally settle the debate on whether the AR camps were transit camps, customs posts, property sorting centres, hygiene facilities, or stops to change to wider gauge trains? Will they agree on whether the Kremas were showers, bomb shelters, corpse stores or delousing chambers?

[Callafangers]

Is that the part where so-called revisionists get to speak about their various, largely unevidenced, so-called revisions to history? Will that mean they will finally settle the debate on whether the AR camps were transit camps, customs posts, property sorting centres, hygiene facilities, or stops to change to wider gauge trains? Will they agree on whether the Kremas were showers, bomb shelters, corpse stores or delousing chambers?

Ironically, all of those things you just listed for what revisionists believe are credibly evidenced (the only debate between revisionists is what proportion of each of these most accurately characterizes these camps), whereas your beliefs (e.g. that there are millions of Jews underground there) have been tested and shown as false.

Oh, and there's the missing wood... d'oh!

[Nessie]

.....

Ironically, all of those things you just listed for what revisionists believe are credibly evidenced

Except you lack any eyewitness, despite over a million people being sent to those camps and the hundreds of camp staff, SS and Jewish. You also lack any documentary evidence of people leaving the camps in any significant numbers.

... (the only debate between revisionists is what proportion of each of these most accurately characterizes these camps)...

Are you now claiming the camps were multi-purpose? The reason why so-called revisionists cannot actually agree on a revision of the purpose of the AR camps, is because none of the suggested revisions is well enough evidenced to produce a consensus. Whereas there is a consensus amongst historians. That proves AR camps as death camps is the best evidenced purpose.

... whereas your beliefs (e.g. that there are millions of Jews underground there) have been tested and shown as false.

Oh, and there's the missing wood... d'oh!

Your methodology for "testing" the evidence is flawed and unique to Holocaust denial/revisionism. For example;

1 - your claim that it has been shown to be false that millions were buried at the camp. Normally, the evidence to prove no large mass grave, comes from archaeological work. The ground is excavated, or subject to geophysical survey and, if it is found to be undisturbed, that proves no graves. Or, only a small grave with only a few corpses is found. Or, only a small area of disturbed ground containing cremated remains. So-called revisionists cannot do that, even though one did conduct a GPR survey of TII. Instead, they just dispute the evidence of huge areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains.
Since none have any archaeological or other relevant qualifications, their critiquing of the archaeology is not credible.

2 - your claim about the missing wood, is based on the relative lack of evidence of how wood got to the camps, for the pyres. However, there is a Sonderkommando description of gathering wood locally at TII and an SS officer describing getting wood delivered to Sobibor from a Polish wood yard, for construction work. Poland did not lack trees, so some local gathering and some deliveries is how wood would get to the camps. Missing details does not evidence no wood could have got to the camps for the pyres.

3 - your so-called testing of the evidence, is mere argument from incredulity, whereby you rather arrogantly claim that because you cannot believe, or work out how something happened, such as mass graves and pyres, therefore they did not happen.

The 1.2 and 3 I have just described, are totally unlike how history is normally investigated. Your way results in no evidenced chronology of events that leads to a conclusion. It is a non-history.

[Keen]

...
– Holocaust and History: Taboo between Dogma and Dissent.
For this section, papers should focus on the actual historical record: on the various ways this event has been defined by historians; on findings – new and old – correcting the established record and our understanding of it; on how Holocaust historiography has been revised over time by both orthodox and skeptic scholars.

Is that the part where so-called revisionists get to speak about their various, largely unevidenced, so-called revisions to history? Will that mean they will finally settle the debate on whether the AR camps were transit camps, customs posts, property sorting centres, hygiene facilities, or stops to change to wider gauge trains? Will they agree on whether the Kremas were showers, bomb shelters, corpse stores or delousing chambers?

Nessie, I can't wait to see the paper that you submitt that proves 2.145 million jews are buried in 100 "huge mass graves" at B, C, P, S & TII.

If you would like, we could co author it.

What do you think???

[Keen]

Bla bla bla...

There's nothing stopping you from submitting a paper Nessie.

I can't wait to see it.

Would you like to co author a paper with me?

[Nessie]

Bla bla bla...

There's nothing stopping you from submitting a paper Nessie.

I can't wait to see it.

Would you like to co author a paper with me?

You said;

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14785#p14785

"Why are you so afraid to see my proof of resettlement?"

How about we co-author a paper on the proof you have of resettlement? First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

[Keen]

How about we co-author a paper on the proof you have of resettlement?

OK!

Nessie:

First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

OK!

We'll start with all the evidence that is known to exist that 925,000 jews were resettled within the boundary of Treblinka II.

Here is what I have so far (A hat tip to Nessie for providing the photo):



Nessie, of the 925,000 jews that were resettled within the boundary of Treblinka II, how many are we looking at here?

Oh, and where exactly within the boundary of Treblinka II were these bones located? (You can prove that this photo was taken within the boundary of the camp, can't you? We can't include this in our paper as evidence of resettlement if we can't prove that the photo was taken within the boundary of the camp, right?)