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[Nessie]

How is a photo of buried human remains at TII, evidence of resettlement?

Resettlement normally refers to moving people to live in a new location, not their killing and burial.

[Keen]

Resettlement normally refers to moving people to live in a new location

Right. And our paper will prove that 925,000 jews were moved to a new location called Treblinka II, correct?

Nessie:

How is a photo of buried human remains at TII, evidence of resettlement?

Oh, about that photo; our paper will have to include your answers to these questions:

Where exactly within the boundary of Treblinka II were these bones located? You can prove that that photo was taken within the boundary of the camp, can't you? And those bones have been proven to be human, correct? We can't include that photo in our paper as evidence of resettlement if we can't prove that the bones are human and the photo was taken within the boundary of the camp, right?

[Nessie]

Resettlement normally refers to moving people to live in a new location

Right. And our paper will prove that 925,000 jews were moved to a new location called Treblinka II, correct?

Nessie:

How is a photo of buried human remains at TII, evidence of resettlement?

Oh, about that photo; our paper will have to include your answers to these questions:

Where exactly within the boundary of Treblinka II were these bones located? You can prove that that photo was taken within the boundary of the camp, can't you? And those bones have been proven to be human, correct? We can't include that photo in our paper as evidence of resettlement if we can't prove that the bones are human and the photo was taken within the boundary of the camp, right?

You are clearly getting confused. The evidence of mass transports to TII comes from Nazi documentation such as the Hofle telegram and eyewitnesses from Jews on the transports, Polish rail workers and SS camp staff.

But that is not what is normally meant by resettlement. So-called revisionists believe that Jews were resettled, in their millions, in the eastern territories that the Nazis captured from the Soviets. Have you got any evidence of that? You suggested you do when you said ""I do have evidence of resettlement - proof in fact...".

[Keen]

Nessie, I thought I would give you an update on my reseach for our joint project.

I think that we should take this statement of yours:

Nessie:

The majority of the eyewitnesses, those who worked inside the AR camps, Chelmno... all admit that mass killings took place.

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

The geophysical survey work has identified rectangular pits with straight edges and ramps at TII.

The sheer volume of evidence for mass graves at TII... Mass graves are proven.

By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

There are 11 at Treblinka II:

G32, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 & 54.

and narrow it down to this as our OP:

Nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

But I think we need to add Ponary as well.

Do you agree?

[Nessie]

You said;

"Why are you so afraid to see my proof of resettlement?"

How about we co-author a paper on the proof you have of resettlement? First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

[Keen]

You said;

"Why are you so afraid to see my proof of resettlement?"

How about we co-author a paper on the proof you have of resettlement? First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

Right. And what better way to show you my proof than co-authoring a paper with you on resettlement?

Nessie:

First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

That's what I'm doing here in this thread.

Now please answer my questions from my previous post, thanks.

Oh, and I need your input on the number of jews who we are going to prove were resettled.

Here is what I have so far:

Belzec: 600,000

Chelmno: 300,000

Ponary: 70,000

Sobibor: 250,000

Treblinka II: 925,000

Total for these 5 sites: 2.145 million.

[Nessie]

You said;

"Why are you so afraid to see my proof of resettlement?"

How about we co-author a paper on the proof you have of resettlement? First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

Right. And what better way to show you my proof than co-authoring a paper with you on resettlement?

Nessie:

First, produce that evidence, so I can see it, thanks.

That's what I'm doing here in this thread.

Now please answer my questions from my previous post, thanks.

Those questions are about graves, not resettlement. You claimed to have "proof of resettlement". I would like to see that.

[Keen]

Nessie, under what topic should we submit our paper?

Papers Are Accepted for the Following Three Topics

– Holocaust and History: Taboo between Dogma and Dissent.

For this section, papers should focus on the actual historical record: on the various ways this event has been defined by historians; on findings – new and old – correcting the established record and our understanding of it; on how Holocaust historiography has been revised over time by both orthodox and skeptic scholars.

– Holocaust and Politics: History as a Weapon

For this section, papers should focus on the use and misuse of the Holocaust for political ends: to immunize fashionable minorities from critique, push certain political agendas, instigate wars, and excuse or even deny ongoing genocides.

– Holocaust and Human Rights: History as a Muzzle

For this section, papers should focus on the misuse of the Holocaust to disenfranchise unfashionable minorities, limit free speech, burn books, incarcerate dissident. Papers are welcome on individual fates of dissidents, on situations in specific countries, on general issues of civil rights threatened by historical taboos, and on the creation of “satellite taboos” with subsequent censorship metastasizing from the central Holocaust taboo.

[Keen]

Nessie:

Those questions are about graves, not resettlement.

Nessie, using all the proof that you have proffered over the years, we can prove these numbers, right?

Belzec: 600,000

Chelmno: 300,000

Ponary: 70,000

Sobibor: 250,000

Treblinka II: 925,000

Total for these 5 sites: 2.145 million.

I"ll assume your answer is - Yes.

[Keen]

Now we are getting somewhere. So here's our OP:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

Thus, it can be said, with 100% certainty, that the following number of jews were resettled at these 5 sites alone:

Belzec: 600,000

Chelmno: 300,000

Ponary: 70,000

Sobibor: 250,000

Treblinka II: 925,000

Total for these 5 sites: 2.145 million.

Have you come up with a good working title for our paper Nessie?

[Keen]

Isn't this great? Me and Nessie are working together to prove resettlement!

I feel like singing kumbaya!

Sing it with me Nessie!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ko ... ORM=VAMGZC

[Nessie]

Isn't this great? Me and Nessie are working together to prove resettlement!

I feel like singing kumbaya!

Sing it with me Nessie!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ko ... ORM=VAMGZC

What you are doing, is bringing the discussion back to the camps and graves. You claimed to have proof of resettlement. It is that proof I would like to work together on. But for some reason, you appear to be scared to show me that proof.

[Keen]

You claimed to have proof of resettlement. It is that proof I would like to work together on. But for some reason, you appear to be scared to show me that proof.

Not scared at all Nessie.

Here's what I have so far:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

Thus, it can be said, with 100% certainty, that the following number of jews were resettled at these 5 sites alone:

Belzec: 600,000

Chelmno: 300,000

Ponary: 70,000

Sobibor: 250,000

Treblinka II: 925,000

Total for these 5 sites: 2.145 million.

Have you come up with a good working title for our paper Nessie?

[Nessie]

You claimed to have proof of resettlement. It is that proof I would like to work together on. But for some reason, you appear to be scared to show me that proof.

Not scared at all Nessie.

Here's what I have so far:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

Thus, it can be said, with 100% certainty, that the following number of jews were resettled at these 5 sites alone:

Belzec: 600,000

Chelmno: 300,000

Ponary: 70,000

Sobibor: 250,000

Treblinka II: 925,000

Total for these 5 sites: 2.145 million.

Have you come up with a good working title for our paper Nessie?

The paper should be called "Evidence to prove the resettlement of Jews from the AR camps, Chelmno & Ponary"

The problem is that you keep on returning to the subject of graves, rather than evidence of mass transports back out of the camps, that would be the first stage of resettlement. I now doubt your claim you have evidence to prove resettlement.

[Keen]

The paper should be called "Evidence to prove the resettlement of Jews from the AR camps, Chelmno & Ponary"

No, it's got to be proof. As you said, it's been proven:

Nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves, as they knew that is impossible.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps and Chelmno.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

Archaeological / forensic PROOF that 2.145 million jews were resettled in Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II