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pilgrimofdark wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:14 pm Some of them had likely died by 1939-1941. Others had been sentenced to prison terms that extended to or past 1939. No idea what Warsaw's policies were for early release, "good time," parole, etc., so it's speculative whether they were actually still imprisoned.
Aron Cukier may have served his full sentence from 1936-1943, because according to files at Arolsen he was first sent to a camp in 1944. He went to Auschwitz, then Mauthausen in 1945. He survived and was tracked as a DP until 1949. Contradicting that, he is also listed as a victim on a memorial at Ebensee, which was part of the Mauthausen complex.
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Callafangers wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:40 pm
Nazgul wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:56 pm He was a spy. It appears from the first map given by him, he is describing the Malkinia camp; here is the aerial view of that camp compared with Wierniks first map. He of course altered the future maps to align with the morphing of the stories.
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Nazgul, do you perhaps have a link (or recall where I might locate) the source for the Malkinia air photo image shown above?
Here is the same comparison with clearer images. Source for Malkinia is Rudolf's Air-Photo Evidence. Nazgul could have a point, with that road going through the camp, but I'm not sure what the origin for this specific diagram is.
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These papers also told the story of Wiernik's arrest. No new details that I can see.

Głos Narodu, August 16, 1935
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... _1935_222/

Dzwon Niedzielny August 25, 1935
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 5/page/n7/

These papers report that Jankiel Wiernik was selling hats in Lodz from 1918-1928.
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 97/page/18
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 11/page/41
https://archive.org/details/bc.wbp.lodz ... 2/page/n11

This paper reports that in 1922 Wiernik joined a credit cooperative with a number of people.
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 1a/page/14
Zarząd spółdzielni stanowią: Chaim Goldsztejn, Nusyn Zumer, Łejbko Wąsower, Matel Orensztejn, Chaim Wolman i Moszko Przepiórka. Zastępcami członków zarządu są: leek Rozenbaum, Lejzor Flechtman i Jankiel Wiernik.
Among them, the name Leek Rozenbaum stands out. He was the owner of the shoe factory where Wiernik was caught doing agitprop 13 years later.

I believe this exhausts everything on archive dot org.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:01 pm
pilgrimofdark wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:14 pm Some of them had likely died by 1939-1941. Others had been sentenced to prison terms that extended to or past 1939. No idea what Warsaw's policies were for early release, "good time," parole, etc., so it's speculative whether they were actually still imprisoned.
Aron Cukier may have served his full sentence from 1936-1943, because according to files at Arolsen he was first sent to a camp in 1944. He went to Auschwitz, then Mauthausen in 1945. He survived and was tracked as a DP until 1949. Contradicting that, he is also listed as a victim on a memorial at Ebensee, which was part of the Mauthausen complex.
I went back and looked more carefully at the papers. The people I thought were in their 80s were actually in their 30s. So poor OCR while going through a bunch of files, but correcting as much corruption as I can now.
Wetzelrad wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:14 pm These papers report that Jankiel Wiernik was selling hats in Lodz from 1918-1928.
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 97/page/18
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 11/page/41
https://archive.org/details/bc.wbp.lodz ... 2/page/n11

This paper reports that in 1922 Wiernik joined a credit cooperative with a number of people.
https://archive.org/details/jbc.bj.uj.e ... 1a/page/14
This is all good.

The only thing we're not finding is evidence he was a carpenter or cabinetmaker. The only mentions of that come from 1943 and later.

There are a few mentions of Wiernik in other contexts earlier. Non-digitized archives.

1913 - banned from Russia?
On the ban on living in four provinces of the country for Adam Bardziński and Jankiel Wiernik, who were found to be members of political organizations in the Petrograd Governorate.
- Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych

1928-1937 - sale of a factory. His hat factory?
Sale of the factory at Nowomiejska Street 2, owner Jankiel Wiernik
- Archiwum Państwowe w Łodzi
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A clarification from the article, Wiernik was using 2 typewriters, Rozenbaum had a printing press in his shoe factory.

It is important to establish Wiernik as the Wiernik in question. This would be easy via a bookings photograph if he was indeed arrested in the sweep.

I have no idea how to get that information.

Going through the Polish Federal Archives with a search for his last name, I didn't turn up arrest records, although, I did turn up stuff linking him to Lodz in the '20's.

I'll try to keep digging with you guys.

I must admit, this is more rewarding than winnowing the mundane looking for missing jews.

Also might be worth trying to establish the connection with his handler prior to the war. This may come through looking at a figure like Rokhl Auerbakh. She arrived in Warsaw in '33 and I am going to guess that the circle she ended up in had overlap.

Looking for a parallel for their clandestine activities, if I were trying to describe what I am beginning to see, I'd think of it kind of like the weather underground. You've got academics, people in the news, all the way down to a simple shoemaker and a humble carpenter, I mean, hat salesman.
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pilgrimofdark wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:48 pm There are a few mentions of Wiernik in other contexts earlier. Non-digitized archives.

1913 - banned from Russia?
On the ban on living in four provinces of the country for Adam Bardziński and Jankiel Wiernik, who were found to be members of political organizations in the Petrograd Governorate.
- Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych
Interesting. This links up with something else I just found. Google hosts a book called The Ghetto Speaks which has contemporary reports on Wiernik. I believe this is volume 2 of a series.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Th ... =en&gbpv=0

From September 1, 1944:
Our delegation in London recently received a new authentic report from the Underground Jewish Labor Movement of Poland, which covers events up to the end of May, 1944.
JANKEL WIERNIK ARTISAN ACTIVE IN BUND'S SELF-DEFENSE ORGANIZATION IN TSARIST RUSSIA WAS ONE YEAR TREBLINKA ESCAPED AFTER REVOLT WROTE BOOK-ONE YEAR IN TREBLINKA-EDITED 1944 BY COORDINATION COMMITTEE JEWISH WORKERS UNION AND JEWISH NATIONAL COMMITTEE STOP
Apparently it took two Jewish committees to edit Wiernik's book. This may explain where the flowery language comes from, if not much more.

Then from October 1, 1944:
The American Representation of the General Jewish Workers' Union of Poland ("Bund") has just received another authentic report from the Underground "Bund" in Poland. This report is dated May 26th, 1944.
On the first anniversary of the Battle of the Warsaw Ghetto, the Coordinating Committee resolved to publish two books; one of them relating the story of the death camp in Tremblinka; the other, on the battle of the Warsaw Ghetto.

The author of the book about the Tremblinka death camp is Jankiel Wiernik. He was held prisoner there for a full year. Together with others, he organized a successful uprising there, set fire to and destroyed the camp, killed the Germans and Ukrainian jailers and escaped with a large group of other Tremblinka victims. I spoke with him personally. He told me that he obtained his elementary schooling in the "Bund" organization during the years 1904 and 1905, and his higher education in the self-defense organization of the 'Bund' in Tzarist Russia. Later he became an artisan and was a member of the Chamber of Commerce. He did not participate in politics. Enclosed you will find his book on Tremblinka [...]
Interesting upbringing. Wikipedia also agrees he was raised in Russia and a participant in the Bund, which combined with the events of 1913 and 1935 really puts the lie to "He did not participate in politics."
pilgrimofdark wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:48 pm 1928-1937 - sale of a factory. His hat factory?
Sale of the factory at Nowomiejska Street 2, owner Jankiel Wiernik
- Archiwum Państwowe w Łodzi
The address does not match the ones given for his residences, shop, or factory, but since he had so many places it's plausible that he had another. He has been described as being in real estate.

Also check this out:
11686/A, "Jankiel Wiernik". Small sale of handicrafts. The company has been in existence since 1919. Łódź, Nowomiejska 19 (Hala), Owner: Jankiel Wiernik, residing in Łódź at ul. Pomorska No. 33.

11667/A. "Aron Wiernik". Small sale of handicrafts. The company has been in existence since January 1, 1927. Łódź, Nowomiejska 19, Owner: Aron Wiernik, residing in Łódź at ul. Kościuszki 13.
Same address for the same business. Aron must have been a relative. Aron Wiernik had a couple other properties too, then the records show he had a new business in Warsaw in 1930-1931.

(Separately, I didn't realize names could take so many different forms in Polish. Having to search for "Wiernik" "Wiernika" "Wierniku" and other variations is a lot of trouble.)
Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:58 pm It is important to establish Wiernik as the Wiernik in question.
I agree, but it's already pretty strong circumstantial evidence that there are no contradictions in this timeline. First Russia, then Lodz, then Warsaw. All events within his realistic lifespan. No reference to an alternate Jankiel Wiernik living simultaneously, that I can find.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:58 pm It is important to establish Wiernik as the Wiernik in question. This would be easy via a bookings photograph if he was indeed arrested in the sweep.

I have no idea how to get that information.

Going through the Polish Federal Archives with a search for his last name, I didn't turn up arrest records, although, I did turn up stuff linking him to Lodz in the '20's.

I'll try to keep digging with you guys.
I've tried looking for Warsaw city police archives and Warsaw district court archives. No luck with digitization. I don't know what the options are to send someone to look, but they're probably not cheap.

And that's if he was arrested. One of the articles refers to the Dom Chleba charity organization as """innocent""" in scare quotes. That's where Wiernik had his two typewriters, carbon paper, and was writing communist proclamations. Like the paper was sarcastically referring to the charity being cleared, which might imply Wiernik was let off the hook somehow.

So far, this being the same person and being actually arrested are speculative. The through-line of his continuing presence in Warsaw is strong corroboration of it being the same person at least.

It's also possible "Lodz Jankiel Wiernik" is a different person entirely.
Stubble wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:58 pm Looking for a parallel for their clandestine activities, if I were trying to describe what I am beginning to see, I'd think of it kind of like the weather underground. You've got academics, people in the news, all the way down to a simple shoemaker and a humble carpenter, I mean, hat salesman.
Searching the Polish archives/libraries for "tajnej drukarni komunistycznej" (secret communist printing house) yields dozens of results from all over the region.

In the "Warsaw 66 Circle" were a few hardcore communists that yield results, but not in any further association with Wiernik.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:18 pm I agree, but it's already pretty strong circumstantial evidence that there are no contradictions in this timeline. First Russia, then Lodz, then Warsaw. All events within his realistic lifespan. No reference to an alternate Jankiel Wiernik living simultaneously, that I can find.
Yad Vashem has an absolute mess of "Jankiel Wiernik" results, but the reliability is suspect.

Someone named Aron Z. Rotenberg of Lodz/New York submitted a testimony page of "Jankiel Wiernik" born in Lodz in 1873. He also submitted 69 total records. And what are the odds he has the same last name as the shoemaker? Rosenberg/Rotenberg/Rottenberga was used in the 1935-1936 papers.

Jankiel Wiernik

However, based on the documents uncovered so far, Wiernik only pops up in one place at a given time. And the most important connections (subversive communist + wartime "death camp" survivor) happen in Warsaw, so there's a correlation of time and place.
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The people on the other side of this already say he didn't write what he in fact wrote because it is damaging.

How do you think they are going to handle this? They are going to say his name was extremely common and that we are talking about dozens of different people. You know this is the play they are going to field.

Best to deny them that out.
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