The Charlie Kirk assassination and the impulse to declare things as forgeries

[Wahrheitssucher]

A barrel of a bolt action rifle cannot be removed. This is not difficult to understand. For the hard of understanding I mean in the circumstances of the CK shooting. In a proper workshop in the hands of a trained and experienced gunsmith it could be removed but this isn't some spy thriller film with The Jackal swiftly and expertly unscrewing his home made sniper rifle and slipping it effortlessly into a bag disguised as false leg or something.

Hunh!?
Did you watch the videos?
I assume not as neither the guy in the video nor the FBI narrative is claiming the stock and barrel were “slipped into a bag” nor “disguised as a false leg”.

The gun we have been shown as used by the killer of CK could not have been dismantled and placed inside the back pack you show in the pictures above. Not going to happen. I know a thing or two about guns. Others here obviously do not.

It is not claimed it was hidden in a backpack.
The Utah charge sheet claims this:

Surveillance revealed the following. At approximately 11:51 a.m., the suspect entered campus from the north. He is seen wearing a black shirt with an American flag in its center, a dark baseball cap, and large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his head enough to get a clear image of his face. As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with an unusual gait. The suspect walks with very little bending in his right leg - consistent with a rifle being hidden in his pants [trousers]. This unusual gait continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railing off the open walkway and onto the roof, where he leaves the camera's view.
A camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof to the suspected shooting position. Immediately after the shot was fired, a camera captures the suspect running across the roof carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle.”

Here is the released photo of the gun claimed to have been found and/or shown to FBI agents:


Watch the video.
Then… Please explain away the video of the guy showing exactly how it can be done.

I'm not getting into conspiracies about second or third shooters, patsies and israeli mossad taking him out or an inside job etc. I have no idea about these claims and their veracity. But I do know that when I was shooting my Bergara .308 regularly at the range and in a calm state of mind on level ground if I tried ten times to hit a melon from 300m or so I would be lucky to hit it more than once or twice. Perhaps not at all. And I can shoot. I have vast experience of Practical Shooting with 9mm and 40 cal handguns, twenty odd years of shotgun clay shooting competitions, many of which every year I win and was on the Royal Marines CTC course where we shot the 7.62 SLR and prior to that two years in the army cadets where we shot .22 and 303 Lee Enfield.

I believe you.
I have also shot Enfields, SLRs and even a ‘tommy gun’ when in the CCF so know hitting a target like a person’s neck from 142 yards with only one attempt would not be easy,

The [accused person] may have shot CK I simply don't know, but I also simply don't know how he could have done it with the rifle we have been shown.
Apart from the rifle being total shit the scope is all over the place. Something smells very fishy about this…

Why do you think the “scope is all over the place”?

[Wetzelrad]

If I had known the JFK assassination would be so contentious here I might not have brought it up.

It is not against the law to defend him in the public sphere, and he stands a much better chance of winning his case if he gets the public on his side.

Contrary to this, I have since learned that there has been a gag order on all witnesses since the end of September. This is a pretty big deal and ought to be one of the top arguments from skeptics. It's one thing to advise witnesses to avoid the media, quite another to silence them legally. And while the order could be challenged, it could still have a chilling effect.

Well, if expert opinion is “not enough” for you, don’t you see you can not fairly claim: “I'm more interested in forgery accusations and where they end up”?
Because aren’t you then doing exactly what you are highlighting and warning against, viz. disbelieving evidence because it does not fit i.) your current understanding + ii.) what you want to believe? I.e. a subconscious confirmation bias?

No? I'm not accusing the creator of that Youtube video of faking it. It's just a video of a guy shooting chunks of hanging meat. No part of that needs to be forged, from my point of view.

The question any honest, unbiased investigation has to ask is: “Can a bullet of any kind shot from a Mauser 98 .30 06 from the alleged position cause such an entry wound”?
The expert opinion is in the negative! If you have credible expert opinion refuting that, you haven’t yet shown it.

I'm sure many excitable experts have said that it's impossible, and there are also those who assert that Kirk was shot from the back or by a palm pistol or an explosive device, but I am under no obligation to believe them. For your benefit, here is one expert on the opposite side. Exit wound segment approximately 10 minutes. He also reports that he and a number of other deer hunters have had the experience of soft point .30-06 not leaving an exit wound.



I will also add this video describing a possible alternate ammunition. Again, this hypothesis is unrefuted.
https://x.com/BradentuckyProd/status/19 ... 3926390043

Please share it.

Here again is the link to one such video, though you can find many more by searching for "bullet hits target sideways".
https://old.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comme ... _cant_put/

For thoroughness, here is a photo of a target like that. I would like to have an explanation as to why a weapon defect of this kind could not have occurred in this case before declaring that it's impossible for Robinson's rifle to be the murder weapon.

What details do you think they did they not replicate? Please explain.

The weapon, the distance, the angle, the target.

Hunh!? It would ‘only ‘cast doubt’ in your mind?

Of course. Taking the Holocaust for comparison, the gas chamber stories are all or mostly false, but we don't assume all of the evidence used to tell them was faked. The cans of Zyklon were real, they were just used as disinfestant. The Wannsee Protocol is probably real, it just doesn't describe gassing or extermination. The Sonderkommando "secret" photos are probably real, they just depict a small number of victims of disease and a woman being taken into a morgue to identify a body.

The vast majority of the evidence has innocent explanations like that, making it eminently plausible that the Holocaust Narrative is false. The hypothesis that Robinson is not the shooter requires that most of the evidence against him was deliberately falsified in some way. To convince me of such large-scale fakery you would need to show me something substantive that shows that.

He hasn’t had a chance to say anything at all publicly. You are again doing exactly what you warned against. You are dismissing evidence if it doesn’t fit your preconceived position.

This is false. He had at least from September 10 to September 29 to speak with any journalist of his choosing or to put out a statement through his lawyer. He did nothing. His family, who in your theory must believe in his innocence, have likewise done nothing.

I respectfully suggest that is the opposite of what you are doing. For some reason you have accepted the official narrative and you reject all evidence that refutes it sometimes without even seeing it, and then with illogical reasons once you have.

In case my reasoning isn't apparent, let me spell it out. I care about the truth often above all else, and I also don't want people in my vicinity to embarass themselves. Can you acknowledge that actual harm is done when people stake their reputations on things that aren't true?

The situation is so bad that people who don't believe the theory are being maligned for it. This doesn't win anyone over.

[Wahrheitssucher]

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First off, I’ll repeat this that I wrote in my 1st reply, as:
a.) I think it’s relevant to most of your continuing argument
and
b.) you don’t appear to be taking it into consideration.

E.g. Consider just example 2 — the video evidence!
They have video of the suspect from close proximity on stairwells but they only released 6 still images. Why not release some video?
They have released partial video of AFTER the shot, the suspect running across the roof and dropping down off it. From that camera they must have video of the suspect taking the shot. Why have they not released that?

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“The official narrative of this public execution has all the ingredients of a deliberate deception because of the decision to not release:
1.) a doctor’s testimony or an autopsy report;
2.) the conclusion of ALL the available video evidence;
3.) the type of recovered unfired bullets
4.) the type of recovered, fired bullet in Kirk’s body (if there was one);
etc., etc., etc.
Those deliberate, officially-decided gaps of information invite speculation.
AND therefore it can be concluded that = such speculation, disagreement, debate and confusion is desired!

E.g. People are arguing online whether an autopsy was even performed!
A fact which it would be EXTREMELY EASY to lay to rest. Yet that hasn’t been done.
Why?
E.g. People are arguing over whether the neck-wound we all saw is an entry or exit wound.
Again that would be EXTREMELY EASY to settle, but they allow speculation.
Why?
Etc., etc.
I suggest it is because that uncertainty is desired as it enables the deceivers to dominate the discussion with two things:
i.) a non-credible official narrative and
ii.) many, speculative and often bizarre theories.
The result is that the speculation puts off most people, allowing the ‘official’ story/deception to present itself as ‘sane’ and ‘responsible’.
People who want to believe their government and national institutions have their best interests at heart, will buy into the ‘official’ narrative for mental comfort.

“Is the purpose of the absence of facts [a deliberate policy in order] to produce competing theories to argue about and thus bury the facts?
Why can’t some independent authority – not the whore media, nor the FBI – say whether there are entrance and exit wounds and what weapon they are compatible with?
Why can’t the bullet be identified if it is true that the surgeon found it in Kirk’s neck ‘under the skin’.
The absence of the basic facts tells us that we are not meant to know.”
~ Paul Craig Roberts (who formerly held a sub-cabinet office in the United States federal government as well as teaching positions at several U.S. universities.)

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So… taking that credible possibility into consideration… you are arguing about the bullet calibre.
Again THAT would be extremely easy to lay such speculation to rest. Do you agree?

Plus your pic of a target with multiple bullets hitting it at an angle is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and is therefore further sign that you ARE looking for evidence that confirms an a priori conclusion.
It is irrelevant because we have video of the neck wound which the official narrative says is an entry wound. And it doesn’t match your target pic. Proving you are introducing ‘evidence’ only because it fits a confirmation bias.

I again emphasise that had the FBI chosen to they could have released that bullet calibre info in the charge sheet.
Which, had they done so, WOULD HAVE PREVENTED all this speculation and debate!

I again suggest to you that the reason they chose NOT to is because confusion, speculation and disagreement was and is DESIRED!!!!

FINALLY, I think you have contradicted yourself here.
If ALL witnesses have a gag order that presumably applies to the parents ‘witnessing’ the alleged confession.

It is not against the law to defend him in the public sphere, and he stands a much better chance of winning his case if he gets the public on his side.

Contrary to this, I have since learned that there has been a gag order on all witnesses since the end of September. This is a pretty big deal and ought to be one of the top arguments from skeptics. It's one thing to advise witnesses to avoid the media, quite another to silence them legally. And while the order could be challenged, it could still have a chilling effect.

He hasn’t had a chance to say anything at all publicly. You are again doing exactly what you warned against. You are dismissing evidence if it doesn’t fit your preconceived position.

This is false. He had at least from September 10 to September 29 to speak with any journalist of his choosing or to put out a statement through his lawyer. He did nothing. His family, who in your theory must believe in his innocence, have likewise done nothing.

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This is the photo of the gun claimed as used by the shooter of CK. Note the way the scope is mounted which is very odd. My reference to the shots of the alleged shooter at the stairwell wearing a back pack but with no rifle was simply to draw attention to the fact that he appeared to be without a rifle such as this on shown above.

[Stubble]

The scope moved on the dovetail when it was dropped off the roof though.

[Scott]

Scott you are getting very deep into bullshit and bollocks about rifles. It is clear to me, an experience shooter of many calibres and types of rifle and pistol and with a military background, that you do not know what you are talking about.

On the matter of Oswald it matters not at all what type of rifle he was or was not using he simply could not have fired those rounds accurately in the time and with such precision.

First of all, pony up your shooting and military experience if you are going to make statements like that. What Rifle badge did you wear on your uniform?

Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza?

As for the endless bollocks spoken about the disassembly of the CK shooter's rifle. Bolt action rifles cannot, I repeat, cannot be taken apart at will. An over and under shotgun is made up of three parts; barrel, stock/receiver and forend. A bolt action rifle cannot be taken apart. You could possibly just maybe with luck and a following wind remove the scope but it would be difficult and be of little advantage to you. A scope is a precision piece of equipment mounted professionally so as to be in tune with the rifle and shooter. Once mounted the scope has to be zeroed which takes time and if that scope is then removed it all has to be done again. The barrel of a bolt action rifle cannot be removed. This isn't difficult.

Many people on YouTube have demonstrated how easily this can be done. I would pay the most attention to the ones that demonstrate with sporterized Mauser rifles, especially having synthetic stocks.

The pictures of the CK shooter's rifle I saw, if true, suggest that he was either the world's best or luckiest shooter to be able to take that shot successfully.

Doesn't sound like you've ever been to the range before or shot a deer with a high-powered rifle from around 100 meters. I routinely got head shots in the Army at 300 meters with an M-16 using iron sights, and a scoped Mauser with a good barrel can shoot rings around that, 1 or 2 minutes-of-angle vs. 4.

No, these are easy shots. LHO hit two out of three tries from 81 meters or less. He might have found the scope awkward and just used the iron sights. That is one FBI theory.

We don't know how good of a shot Tyler Robinson really is, but anybody can get lucky on the first try, or miss in the case of the Butler, PA shooting that only grazed Trump's ear.

After that first shot fired by Thomas Matthew Crooks, the subsequent Butler shots were harder with Trump and the Secret Service flopping around, so there was just collateral damage with three bystanders hit before Secret Service snipers shot Crooks dead.

In the case of Lee Harvey Oswald, the subsequent shots only got easier.

The Tyler Robinson case does not depend on him disassembling and then reassembling the rifle to get it into play ─ although I think that is most likely what he did. I don't think he needed to disassemble it to run with it wrapped in a towel for his getaway. That could have been done in a minute though.

The Robinson rifle assembly is not a critical detail for the prosecution, but it might be for the defense if Tyler can explain how his screwdriver wound up on the Losee roof with his DNA on it. That is called circumstantial evidence. And that is not all of the evidence, by far.

It is also curious how Tyler's Doc Martin tennis shoe prints made it up to the roof of the Losee building. The surveillance of the escape clearly shows the guy jumping off the roof with something long wrapped in a towel.

Those footprints were still visible to a YouTube investigator over a month after the shooting (LINK).

It is also possible that all Tyler did with the screwdriver is remove and reattach the scope. Thusly, with the scope put into his backpack, he could have fit the rifle on his back undernearh his shirt and backpack, with the rifle barrel going down inside his Right rear pant leg. In the photos you can see the imprint of his cellphone in the Right front pocket of his pants, which looks unusually tight.

BTW, it is generally not advisable to detach the scope or break down a rifle after it has been zeroed, but it can be done.

In fact, Lee Harvey Oswald had his rifle broken down for storage in Mrs. Paine's garage. It was wrapped in heavy brown paper like they used at Oswald's Dealey Plaza warehouse job, which is why Oswald's "curtain rods" did not look suspicious to Mrs. Paine's neighbor, Buell Wesley Frasier, the young man who gave Oswald the ten-mile ride from Irving, TX to commute to their mutual job on the morning of Friday, November 22, 1963.

In fact, Ruth Paine and Wes Frasier are how Oswald got the job at the Texas School Book Depository Building at Dealey Plaza in the first place, just a little over a month before the assassination. Oswald tried to wipe down the rifle when he abandoned it at the TSBD, but he missed a palm print. Oops! Too bad they did not have DNA technology back then, but solid evidence like that does not seem to matter much. These must be elaborate evivence plants carried out on extremely short notice, and with the help of the "patsies."

Lots of experts (and non-experts who have shot rifles before) have replicated the Sixth Floor JFK shooting for the purposes official committees and otherwise. It has been studied to death.

[Stubble]

The audio forensics with Crooks doesn't add up. Just to throw that out there. Feel free to check.

The first volley doesn't have the reverberation off of the flat wall behind him and on his right. The second volley does.

That's an aside though.

With LHO, has anyone ever successfully recreated the scenario? I know that Jessie Ventura was unable to and the warren commission 'test team' was also unable to.

[Wahrheitssucher]

…Note the way the scope is mounted which is very odd… on the photo of the gun claimed as used by the shooter of CK

I don’t see anything unusual. Please explain what you think is “odd” about it.

… My reference to the shots of the alleged shooter at the stairwell wearing a back pack but with no rifle was simply to draw attention to the fact that he appeared to be without a rifle such as this on shown above.

That has been explained in the videos already provided.

The narrative is that gun was brought to the rooftop by the suspect with a.) the stock and b.) the barrel+fixed scope, separated. Both concealed under the arms and shirt and down the trousers:
the stock down one trouser leg;
the barrel with fixed scope down the other.
The video I previously linked to, shows exactly HOW that could be done.

The gun was then assembled on the rooftop with a screwdriver in a few minutes.
The other previously linked video showed exactly HOW that could be done, also.

The FBI and charge sheet implies that they DO NOT have surveillance camera footage of the rifle being assembled. So the alternative explanation is that the rifle was already there on the roof. But that is NOT what the charge sheet implies.
Here is there vague — and I suggest deliberately open to misinterpretation — description:

As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with an unusual gait. The suspect walks with very little bending in his right leg - consistent with a rifle being hidden in his pants [trousers]. This unusual gait continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railing off the open walkway and onto the roof, where he leaves the camera's view.
A camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof to the suspected shooting position.

I suggest they want people to think: ‘hey, that’s not possible! You can’t hide an assembled rifle under your shirt and down one trouser leg’.

I have already posted ALL this information about how the disassembled rifle was concealed and assembled previously, including the same photo of the rifle.

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As Wetzelrad isn’t convinced by the previously shared video of two guys trying to replicate the shot, here is another one.
It shows shots from:
i.) a higher vantage point (ANGLE);
ii.) plus slightly further DISTANCE (150 yards instead of the actual 142 yards);
iii.) again a similar powered WEAPON;
iv.) with two different types of calibre BULLET — top end and lower end calibre.



Both calibres of bullet penetrated the meat strapped to a steel plate, plus left an ‘exit wound’ in an attached plastic bottle.

From this it can be understood what damage and wounds a bullet from Tyler Robinson’s Mauser 98 .03 06 would have ACTUALLY done to Kirk’s neck from that distance and from an elevated position.

[Scott]

The audio forensics with Crooks doesn't add up. Just to throw that out there. Feel free to check.

The first volley doesn't have the reverberation off of the flat wall behind him and on his right. The second volley does.

That's an aside though.

I don't know anything about that, but if memory serves, the Butler audio was all recorded from various cellphones and they work differently than other microphones used for recording, e.g., with compression, clipping, equalization etc., which is a massive consideration for any kind of acoustic analysis.

Mobile phones are not full-duplex like old-fashioned landline telephones, even though they work like an intercom by reversing the one-way transmission rapidly to prevent feedback. Only one person can talk at a time just like a normal 2-way radio, but the cell phone electronics switches it rapidly enough that the conversants usually don't notice. During recordings the smart phone electronics does a good job masking the noise floor and unwanted transient noises like bangs, etc.

In addition to Gray Hughes Investigates, construction engineer Jeff Ostroff on YouTube has a whole series of videos on the Butler and Kirk shootings which are well worth a look.

With LHO, has anyone ever successfully recreated the scenario? I know that Jessie Ventura was unable to and the warren commission 'test team' was also unable to.

Jesse Ventura is full of it. He does not act like he even knows how to use a bolt-action rifle, and Oswald would have maintained his gun at least nominally.

If the scope was really a problem after the assassination when they tested the actual Oswald gun, he could have easily used the iron sights.

I refer again to the 2007 two-volume magnum opus on the Kennedy Assassination: Reclaiming History by former L.A. Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi who hardly leaves a detail or an "objection" unturned.

When it is said that the Warren Commission could not "duplicate the shots," which has been done many times over the years, what they mean is about the exact timing. That is a different problem entirely.

It would be hard to have to fire accurately at a certain interval like a stop and go light to pull the trigger just so that the the firing duplicates what is thought to have been the LHO sequence.

First of all, there is some guesswork as to the exact timing of the shots because the Zapruder film does not have audio and it does not even show the first two shots fired. Kennedy and Connally go behind the Stemmons freeway sign intact in the Zapruder film view, but both are clearly distressed after they reemerge into our view.

Oswald had about six seconds between the second shot (which the WC believe wounded both Kennedy and Connally) and the third (fatal) shot that hit the President in the back of the head.

The third shot was also the easiest shot because there was no foliage in the way, and the shot was lined up to the path of the car without any angular deflection, and when the limo was almost stopped on the road by then.

According to some analyses, the first and third shots were fired with a much longer interval between them, as much as 11.2 seconds.

Jesse "the body" Ventura {not "the brain" apparently] also mentions the "Magic Bullet" claim which is complete horseshït, as I've explained.

The second bullet fired that wounded both Kennedy and Connally does not do anything remarkable except penetrate ─ and in a straight line from the Sixth Floor of the TSBD window, of course. This bullet found on Connally's gurney at Parkland hostpital was also not "Pristine," as many have claimed.

Furthermore, the "Lone Gunman" conclusion of the Warren Commission does not in any way hinge upon the Arlen Spector-thesis that the second bullet wounded both Kennedy and Connally.

This means that the first (and hardest) shot missed and a fragment or debris from it probably very lightly wounded James Tague, standing at the triple underpass on the South curb of Main Street downrange of the TSBD building. Tague did not even know that he was hit nor where it came from; a motorcylce cop pointed out to him that he had a small amound of blood on his cheek.

Instead of going with the Arlen Spector theory, the Warren Commission might have easily gone instead with the idea that the first and second shots wounded Kennedy and Connally, one after the other, and that the third shot killed Kennedy just the same. Bugliosi notes that the WC members like Gerald Ford who most dutifully attended the arduous hearings moved to adopt law clerk Spector's theory and that is how Warren ruled on it.

But this is in no way a critical point except to people like Director Oliver Stone and actor Kevin Costner who think with their 1991 film JFK that the Magic Bullet must have defied the laws of physics.

I have explained why this is incorrect: Connally was not seated directly in front of Kennedy but in a folding jump seat to his side and farther below the elevated bench that the Kennedies were sitting on. Mrs. Connally sat on the other folding jump seat next to her husband.





A couple of other points to make as well...

When Officer J.D. Tippit got out of his patrol car to talk to Oswald on 10 Street near Patton Avenue in Oswald's Oak Cliff neighborhood, the fleeing fugitive shot the police officer three times in the torso and then put another bullet into Tippit's head after the man was down.

Then to reload, Oswald almost immediately ejected four spent brass casings from his highly-modified Smith & Wesson K-frame revolver and ran off with witnesses following him discretely. Oswald lost them after ditching his distinctive cream-colored jacket underneath a parked car on the way to the Texas Theater on Jefferson Avenue.

The brass .38 Special shell casings were directly linked to Oswald's gun and assorted ammunition found on his person when he was captured at the nearby Texas Theater because the Smith & Wesson revolver had been modified from caliber .38 S&W (or Lend-Lease caliber .38/200 which is 0.361 inches or 9.2 mm) to the more powerful .38 Special round (0.357 inch or 9.1 mm) which actually has a slightly smaller bore and case width. Therefore, the brass cases expand characteristically to the gun cylinder when fired from this gun.

Also, some have made much hay that the slugs removed from Tippit's body were too deformed to match Oswald's gun, but that is exected since it was modifed to a very short barrel length, and the bore size of the barrel was too large for deep rifling grooves on the smaller but more powerful .38 Special slugs.

The definitive book on the Tippit shooting is With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J. D. Tippit by Dale K. Myers (1998).

[Stubble]

The action on the carcano is, not smooth. If the shots heard round the world have been reenacted, please, do share.

None of this is on topic however.

[Scott]

I'll look at the acoustic video when I have more time.

Anyway, the Carcano action isn't smooth because Jesse Ventura, or his fellow Candace Owen-style grifters, did not clean and lubricate it properly.

Also, the six seconds that the former Minnesota Governor mentions is the estimated time between the second and the third shots, not for all three shots. Bullshït is right!




Below is a video from the Forgotten Weapons YT channel with the "Gun Jesus," Ian McCollum, who is a major firearms historian from Arizona.





Below is a longer video from another excellent gun guy where the Carcano in decent working order is demonstrated on his range. He is especially strong on featuring antique military guns.

[Stubble]

Dude, I didn't mean you couldn't slap it, the guy that 'destroyed Ventura' even look at what he was hitting?

Always a fan of 'forgotten weapons'. Great channel.

With the Kirk assassination, I don't see any solid evidence that Robinson isn't the shooter.

I suppose the Pennsylvania assassination attempt and JFK are worthy of their own threads at this point.

With Crooks, the audio doesn't put him firing the first volley, but, it puts the first volley being fired from VERY close to his position from an ar pattern rifle. The audio forensics first surfaced from the university of Georgia if I recall correctly and was verified by another university team.

They used the podium mic audio iirc. The acoustics are measured with the 'snap/pop' and echos to calculate distance from delay between reports.

The first volley is missing an echo off the flat wall to Crooks' right.

[Scott]

Here's a video from a guy who is an Oswald skeptic and is Left-handed so he shoots the Carcano sometimes with his non-dominant hand, which he says is awkward because the Carcano action is a bit stiff.

He manages to consistently get off three rounds in 5-seconds which is quicker than the usual 8-second claim. And he is getting all three rounds on center of mass, though a little closer closer than Oswald's shots.





And he is using the iron sights, which is what I think Oswald might have done to improve his chances since the 4x optics he used were nothing to sing praises for.

Near the end of the video he fires into a ballistic gelatin skull and mentions the oft-repeated claim that the President's head is driven rearward ─ but as Ihave explained before, that is a complete myth from the public seeing bad dubs of the Zapruder film on TV since 1975.

In reality, Kennedy's head barely moves and inch or so either way. Any other impression is an optical illusion created by a film medium that does not capture motion well, rather like some of the Apollo Moon Landing 16mm film and television footage.

Plus, Kennedy was wearing a heavy and springy back brace or he might have collapsed before the third and final shot.

That brings me to another point that I neglected to mention earlier...

The Zapruder film was not tampered with.

Multiple copies of it were made and some of these might have been cut and experimented with, but the original is almost pristine. A couple of frames unfortunately got damaged in handling, which is explained in detail by Bugliosi, but these are not frames relevant to the shooting or anything vital about the motorcade. The idea that the Zapruder film has cuts and splices and missing frames, or was in any other way tampered with, is an urban legend of epic proportions without any basis in fact.

Looking at the short Zapruder film frame-by-frame, Kennedy's head is not thrown to the rear, implying a shot fired from his front. It is not rocked forward much either, in spite of the shot actually coming from the rear.

For motion, Kennedy's body does collapse back like a rag doll, but his head is not propelled either forward or backward by more than an inch or so.





Zapruder himself refused to agree to have Frame 313 published, showing the "money shot" where Saint Jack's head actually explodes. Other color stills from the Zapruder film were published in various slick magazines. These magazine copies are hard to find in Libraries because people steal them.

Below is a mediocre resolution still photo of Zapruder Frame 313, not great but better than analog TV from 1975.

Note that in Zapruder Frame 313 you can actually see pieces of the President's skull flying high and forward in the opposite direction of the 6th floor window of the TSBD building.

Look closely at kind of a cone-shaped bloody bone chip flying formation moving high and to the Right of the photo frame.

Also note that the bulk of blood and brain matter near Kennedy's head is massed to the Right of the President and Mrs. Kennedy (i.e., in the forward orientation of the limousine, and away from the 6th floor window where the kill shot obviously originated).




Absolutely nothing happened at the Grassy Knoll area or picket fence to the front and Right side of the motorcade, another urban legend. And the area around the TSBD building and Dealey Plaza is not large if you visit in person. No gunman was seen.

Of more than a hundred witnesses at Dealey Plaza interviewed by police, most of them said that the echoey shots came from the Texas School Book Depository building. Anybody claiming about the crowd substantially saying otherwise needs to consult the Bugliosi book or actually read the Warren Commission Report. Witnesses often will be confused, but the preponderance actually said that the shots came from near where Oswald had his sniper's nest, not far from where police actually found the rifle, which had Oswald's palm print on it.

[Wahrheitssucher]

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Scott is engaged in quite obvious, irrelevant, wall-of-text obfuscation and derailing.

I invite CODOH forum readers to ponder upon that for a moment.

This topic-thread is about the Kirk killing.
LOGICAL FACT:
If the empirical evidence of the numerous-angle video of Charlie Kirk’s neck wound could not have been caused by any calibre bullet shot from a Mauser 98 .03 06 rifle, then Tyler Robinson is NOT the shooter.

Believers of the official ‘violent, leftist, tranny-supporting, anarchist murderer’ may feel free to keep on avoiding this rather basic and obvious fact. But that is the bottom line here.

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This is how a scope is properly located above the bolt and action.