Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[Wahrheitssucher]

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[Callafangers]

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This conversation (Cenk Uygur speaking with Israeli agent Mosab Hassan Yousef on Piers Morgan's show) is worth capturing further as it shows admission of one of two things, when shown in full context. Either:

(A) Israel and its agents/networks are killing Western politicians
(B) Israel and its agents/networks are affecting Western politicians to an extent that can eliminate them from the political process

There is no third option which can be believed by a reasonable person.

Here is the video with less editing, showing exactly what was said (and how it was said):

[Nessie]

You guys do realise there are people who have found that they can make a living out of saying controversial things and making outrageous claims, don't you? Those social media commentators and influencers, are not fussed about evidence and proof.

[Callafangers]

You guys do realise there are people who have found that they can make a living out of saying controversial things and making outrageous claims, don't you? Those social media commentators and influencers, are not fussed about evidence and proof.

Maybe, but that requires an assumption. You can make that same assumption about anyone saying "controversial" things but it's basically a hand-wave and a fallacy.

What matters is who says it, for starters, and under what conditions it was said. Does this person have a certain position or specific knowledge, making it plausible that they can speak truthfully on matters within their scope? Were they paid under a condition of saying particular things versus not? And is any of this evidenced?

All of it at least begs the question of why exactly they said it. And none of this rules out that they could be telling the truth, which has to be weighted for its significance.

Statements are often taken at face value unless evidenced otherwise, e.g. direct threats under law (notice here that the significance of what was said is factored into the urgency and seriousness of how it is handled - the same should of course apply to potential subversion or treason).

[Stubble]

Wait, is there a claim here that rabbis are social media grifters?

When a rabbi unironically claims that 'edom must be erased', that 'the west is edom' and that I personally am 'amalek' and need to be destroyed along with my entire family, I don't think he is grifting.

Furthermore, I could label saying such as 'an antisemitic trope'.

jews are just grifters...

Come on. It is my opinion, those who say this from their pulpit are in ernest and really do think my children and I should be exterminated.

[Nessie]

Wait, is there a claim here that rabbis are social media grifters?

Not from me.

When a rabbi unironically claims that 'edom must be erased', that 'the west is edom' and that I personally am 'amalek' and need to be destroyed along with my entire family, I don't think he is grifting.

Furthermore, I could label saying such as 'an antisemitic trope'.

jews are just grifters...

Come on. It is my opinion, those who say this from their pulpit are in ernest and really do think my children and I should be exterminated.

There are lots of Holocaust denier, social media grifters, earning money attracting attention by making unevidenced and debunked claims about the Holocaust, such as deceiving people about a door inside Krema I being the original door to the gas chamber and that a Red Cross report of 271k dead, is the entire Jewish death toll for the Holocaust. People fall for that!

[Callafangers]

There are lots of Holocaust denier, social media grifters, earning money attracting attention by making unevidenced and debunked claims about the Holocaust, such as deceiving people about a door inside Krema I being the original door to the gas chamber and that a Red Cross report of 271k dead, is the entire Jewish death toll for the Holocaust. People fall for that!

Nessie... do we want to calculate how much money promoters of the 'Holocaust' narrative get paid for doing so, versus how much money deniers/revisionists of the 'Holocaust' get paid for doing so?

Do you really wanna go down that road? Probably not the right thread for it but I'd be happy to make one if you feel you have a leg to stand on. It'll be a short thread.

[Nessie]

There are lots of Holocaust denier, social media grifters, earning money attracting attention by making unevidenced and debunked claims about the Holocaust, such as deceiving people about a door inside Krema I being the original door to the gas chamber and that a Red Cross report of 271k dead, is the entire Jewish death toll for the Holocaust. People fall for that!

Nessie... do we want to calculate how much money promoters of the 'Holocaust' narrative get paid for doing so, versus how much money deniers/revisionists of the 'Holocaust' get paid for doing so?

Do you really wanna go down that road? Probably not the right thread for it but I'd be happy to make one if you feel you have a leg to stand on. It'll be a short thread.

Since the deniers on X are in a minority, then of course they earn less overall. You miss the point that they repeat easily debunked and explained claims, that other more knowledgeable so-called revisionists know are completely wrong and that people fall for their claims.

I call them deniers, as they out and out deny the Holocaust, even down to how imprisoned Jews were treated. A favourite, common claim, is about camp facilities, and the swimming pool. That ignores Auschwitz had c8000 German staff and it also housed political prisoners and POWs, not just Jews.

[HansHill]

Since the deniers on X are in a minority, then of course they earn less overall. You miss the point that they repeat easily debunked and explained claims, that other more knowledgeable so-called revisionists know are completely wrong and that people fall for their claims.

I call them deniers, as they out and out deny the Holocaust, even down to how imprisoned Jews were treated. A favourite, common claim, is about camp facilities, and the swimming pool. That ignores Auschwitz had c8000 German staff and it also housed political prisoners and POWs, not just Jews.

You are arguing that Holocaust denial is lucrative, and pivot to per capita due to low absolute numbers?

Nobody is this much of a muppet.

Spoiler

Well, maybe.

[Nessie]

Since the deniers on X are in a minority, then of course they earn less overall. You miss the point that they repeat easily debunked and explained claims, that other more knowledgeable so-called revisionists know are completely wrong and that people fall for their claims.

I call them deniers, as they out and out deny the Holocaust, even down to how imprisoned Jews were treated. A favourite, common claim, is about camp facilities, and the swimming pool. That ignores Auschwitz had c8000 German staff and it also housed political prisoners and POWs, not just Jews.

You are arguing that Holocaust denial is lucrative, and pivot to per capita due to low absolute numbers?

Nobody is this much of a muppet.

Spoiler

Well, maybe.

You lie that I claimed denial is lucrative.

[Callafangers]

There are lots of Holocaust denier, social media grifters, earning money attracting attention by making unevidenced and debunked claims about the Holocaust...

You are arguing that Holocaust denial is lucrative...

lucrative /loo͞′krə-tĭv/
adjective
1. Producing wealth; profitable.

You lie that I claimed denial is lucrative.

wtf?

[Nessie]

There are lots of Holocaust denier, social media grifters, earning money attracting attention by making unevidenced and debunked claims about the Holocaust...

You are arguing that Holocaust denial is lucrative...

lucrative /loo͞′krə-tĭv/
adjective
1. Producing wealth; profitable.

You lie that I claimed denial is lucrative.

wtf?

Earning money is different from something being lucrative. The deniers on X who grift about the Holocaust, such as Uncommonsense, also post on other topics. I doubt any denier makes a lucrative living off denial alone.

[HansHill]

So they make money, just not enough money!

You know, saying or implying that Holocaust deniers are in it for the money is broadly incompatible with the usual narrative that they are simply irrationally racist and antisemitic bigots and trolls, that are only out to cause harm / spread hatred. Being a grifter implies rationality and inauthenticity. Meaning they are not actually antisemitic (?) So which is it?

Of course this is all slop (along with being off-topic) and the "holocaust denial" market is simply non-existent especially when you consider most "holocaust denial" material is provided completely free of charge. But please Nessie, continue posting more slop for us to laugh at!

[Nessie]

So they make money, just not enough money!

You know, saying or implying that Holocaust deniers are in it for the money is broadly incompatible with the usual narrative that they are simply irrationally racist and antisemitic bigots and trolls, that are only out to cause harm / spread hatred. Being a grifter implies rationality and inauthenticity. Meaning they are not actually antisemitic (?) So which is it?

Of course this is all slop (along with being off-topic) and the "holocaust denial" market is simply non-existent especially when you consider most "holocaust denial" material is provided completely free of charge. But please Nessie, continue posting more slop for us to laugh at!

There are various people on social media, such as Uncommonsense, 1984, Jake someone I forget his surname and even Germar Rudolf, who attract people to their posts, by denying the Holocaust. They do that, in part to make money.

They are grifters, as they repeatedly post the same debunked lies and misinformation, about wooden doors, Red Cross death tolls etc. Many of they also post anti-Semitic tropes and claims.

[Wahrheitssucher]

There are lots of Holocaust denier, social media grifters, earning money attracting attention by making unevidenced and debunked claims about the Holocaust...

You are arguing that Holocaust denial is lucrative...

lucrative /loo͞′krə-tĭv/
adjective
1. Producing wealth; profitable.

You lie that I claimed denial is lucrative.

wtf?

I keep tellin’ ya: this one suffers from a psychosis.